Does this verse still hold true

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Does this verse still hold true

  • Yes

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  • No

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Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

If you are lead by the Spirit you will not do anything in oppisition to the Law.

When you are driving as long as you go beloew the speed limit you will have no negative consequence (ticket) while yet having the benefit of being safe because you are driving the proper speed on a particular road.

The Spirit and the Law say the EXACT SAME THING.


Every single one of these is forbidden in Yahweh's Law, aka in oppisition to the Spirit and in oppisition to the Law.
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Then why keep talking about the law and not being led by the Spirit ? .. If we live in the Holy Spirit, we don't have to worry about the law, the law is of flesh.." Before Ma'shiach " after the Messiah we were given the " Ra'hakodosh ", so why not preach the Ra'Hakodosh ?
 
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Funny thing is scripture tells us this...

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You know, this is what our first parents did, they chose to deny God's plain teaching and decide right and wrong for themselves. That old Law was bad then and bad today. At least that is what you are trying to say.
The Commandments are faith and love...and in love alone all the law is fulfulled
 

Chopper

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It is written that Yahushua said if you love me, keep my commandments.
What are the commandments?
What are we to keep that we may be that which glorifies the Father, and the Son?


We have the Ten Commandments written by the finger of Yahuwah the Father given to us by through Moses;
Love Yahuwah thy Elohim with all they heart. We are to have no elohims before Him, that we make no graven images or likeness of anything that is in the heavens or earth, that we should not bow down to them or serve them. We are not to take Yahuwah’s name in vain, and we are to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. We are to honor our mother and father. We are not to murder, commit adultery, or steal. We are not to bear false witness against our neighbor nor covet anything that is our neighbors.

Then we have the new commandment given to us by Yahushua himself; we are to love one another as He has loved us.

Those that believe on Yahushua will do the works that He did, and even greater works will they do, because Yahushua has went to the Father, and He has sent us the Spirit of Truth. He is with us and whatever we ask in His name, he will do it, for that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Please understand that to us who believe on Yahushua, these laws are the law of life, where to others they are the law of sin and death. We will be hated of this world for this very reason, that we show the love of our Master, keep His commandments, and do the works that He has done, and yet even greater works that the Father may be glorified in Him though us.
We are to be like our Master, and brothers to Him in His kingdom. Where we find Him, we find the way to our heavenly Father and life everlasting.

All of this is greater than anything else we might hear, see, live, or possess in this world. We know that this world and all that is in it that is not of Elohim will pass away in the great cleansing, so that our Heavenly Father can be here on earth with us once again… forever after.

This is when the lion will sit with the lamb together in true peace and love, with our home and streets of pure gold, grass that never fades, and never ending water that we thirst no more. No more sorrows, no more tears, and we will not know sickness or death anymore.

When He returns for the great cleansing, before He does that, He will have our reward with Him for everyone, and it will be poured out upon us. Those that are in Him, taken up with Him, then comes the great cleansing. This world will be wiped away and made new… born again, even as we shall be.

Don’t get left behind in the great cleansing. There has been a way made for you, and that door can only be opened by you, no one else can open that door for you.
 

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The gospel of the Kingdom of Yah is the gospel of peace. The Kingdom of Yah is His will, government and guidance with His love for His children. This is the only way the earth will ever achieve complete and total peace. The kingdom of Elohim, as with any government has laws. The idea of laws to help guide the people are laws to help protect all involved.

That’s the beauty of the Law of Yah, in that it is so simple it can be summed up in only two commandments. Love Yahuwah with all that you are, and love your neighbor as yourself. In these two commandments hang all the law. The law which these two commandments speak of is the very law written by the finger of Yah on two tablets of stone, and given to Moses, the Ten Commandments.

To understand the Ten Commandments, which have not changed nor will ever change, we need to understand what those commandments comprise of, and what they do. Within the first tablet of stone, the first three commandments are those that deal with our Creator and heavenly Father, and how we are to act towards Him. The fourth commandment is our link to Him, even as Yahushua is our only way to our heavenly Father. Then, on the next tablet are the commandments for us towards one another. It cannot be made any more simple than this.
Yah is love as it is written, and we see what love does based on 1 Corinthians 13. When we accept Yahushua, the Son of Yahuwah, the Christ and Messiah, as our Adon and Savior, He becomes our King of all kings. With a king comes his rule, and his government, or kingdom. When we accept Yahushua as our Master and King, we do that which is spoken of in Matthew 18:3, where we become converted, and as children honoring our heavenly Father by obeying His commandments, and entering into His Kingdom, which is given to our Messiah, Yahushua to rule as King forever.

Even as a seed is planted and brings forth fruit at the time of harvest, the Kingdom of Elohim is within you who believe in Him at this time. He is making His Kingdom in heaven a preparation for to come to earth and bring in everlasting peace, to which there is no way possible we could achieve this on our own, or with any other power. Part of that kingdom is within us and growing to bear fruit when we accept Yahushua into our heart and life.

The Kingdom of Yah that is coming to rule this earth and bring peace forever is the true gospel that all the prophets before Yahushua, ha’Mashiah, and His apostles spoke of. This is the Word of Yah given to us that we might be saved, and enter into His presence through Yahushua ha’Mashiah.
 

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The gospel of the Kingdom of Yah is the gospel of peace. The Kingdom of Yah is His will, government and guidance with His love for His children. This is the only way the earth will ever achieve complete and total peace. The kingdom of Elohim, as with any government has laws. The idea of laws to help guide the people are laws to help protect all involved.

That’s the beauty of the Law of Yah, in that it is so simple it can be summed up in only two commandments. Love Yahuwah with all that you are, and love your neighbor as yourself. In these two commandments hang all the law. The law which these two commandments speak of is the very law written by the finger of Yah on two tablets of stone, and given to Moses, the Ten Commandments.

To understand the Ten Commandments, which have not changed nor will ever change, we need to understand what those commandments comprise of, and what they do. Within the first tablet of stone, the first three commandments are those that deal with our Creator and heavenly Father, and how we are to act towards Him. The fourth commandment is our link to Him, even as Yahushua is our only way to our heavenly Father. Then, on the next tablet are the commandments for us towards one another. It cannot be made any more simple than this.
Yah is love as it is written, and we see what love does based on 1 Corinthians 13. When we accept Yahushua, the Son of Yahuwah, the Christ and Messiah, as our Adon and Savior, He becomes our King of all kings. With a king comes his rule, and his government, or kingdom. When we accept Yahushua as our Master and King, we do that which is spoken of in Matthew 18:3, where we become converted, and as children honoring our heavenly Father by obeying His commandments, and entering into His Kingdom, which is given to our Messiah, Yahushua to rule as King forever.

Even as a seed is planted and brings forth fruit at the time of harvest, the Kingdom of Elohim is within you who believe in Him at this time. He is making His Kingdom in heaven a preparation for to come to earth and bring in everlasting peace, to which there is no way possible we could achieve this on our own, or with any other power. Part of that kingdom is within us and growing to bear fruit when we accept Yahushua into our heart and life.

The Kingdom of Yah that is coming to rule this earth and bring peace forever is the true gospel that all the prophets before Yahushua, ha’Mashiah, and His apostles spoke of. This is the Word of Yah given to us that we might be saved, and enter into His presence through Yahushua ha’Mashiah.
After all that I see nothing you wrote of the Ra' Hokodosh (Holy Spirit) why must you insist on the flesh (law), and not living in the Spirit ?
 
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Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result (telos) of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.[/QUOTE I don't think "ultimate or end" means the destruction of either faith or the law. If a mountain climber was to climb Mt Everest he would be climbing the ultimate climb, but not necessarily his last climb. The same is true with Rom. 10. For there are some conditions to be met. First "the end of the law for righteousness" It doesn't say the end of the law for anything else. 2ndly " to every one who believes" It doesn't say anything about it being the end for those who don't believe.Ultimate means end,the greatest the best, you cant get better, It doesn't mean something's destruction. It neither means that faith has to end In Peter it just says that it's the greatest purpose or goal of our faith. The same being true in Rom. It doesn't say the end or destruction of the law for every purpose and every incident only the end for obtaining righteousness by Christ ,who fulfilled the law, and only to those who believe that he did so for our imputed righteousness, who believe with the same faith as Abraham, who God made righteous according to his faith in Gods righteousness.
 

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After all that I see nothing you wrote of the Ra' Hokodosh (Holy Spirit) why must you insist on the flesh (law), and not living in the Spirit ?
That’s the beauty of the Law of Yah, in that it is so simple it can be summed up in only two commandments. Love Yahuwah with all that you are, and love your neighbor as yourself. In these two commandments hang all the law. The law which these two commandments speak of is the very law written by the finger of Yah on two tablets of stone, and given to Moses, the Ten Commandments.
Do you not understand this?
The first 4 commandments are between us and Elohim, (with the 4th commandment being our direct link to Him where by we are sealed as His, much like Yahushua is our direct link to Him) and the last 6 between each other.

Please understand that to us who believe on Yahushua, these laws are the law of life, where to others they are the law of sin and death. We will be hated of this world for this very reason, that we show the love of our Master, keep His commandments, and do the works that He has done, and yet even greater works that the Father may be glorified in Him though us.
We are to be like our Master, and brothers to Him in His kingdom.
 
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Acts 2:1-13


2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.


3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.


4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Galatians 5:22-23


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
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You call it truth but back it up with partial quotes and twists. The truth is in the scriptures, not your head.

John, if you looked at yourself according to the spirit of the law. You would see how truely sinful you are, and how ridiculous your comments are.

the jews tried for 2000 years to follow the law. they failed miserably, because we can not find righteousness by the law. Paul made this clear in romans 7 and 8.
 
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The Law defines sin. To do away with the Law does away with sin. That is not how God deals with the problem. It is a sin to break the Law, what Christ's sacrifice does is pay the price for sin, it does not eradicate the Law.
I am not doing away with the law. thats your false assumption.

I am stating a fact. that the law has never, and will never make anyone righteous.

If one steals something, then goes to God for forgiveness by the sacrifice of Christ, are they forgiven?
if the law could make us righteous, and the law says do nto steel. why is the person steeling? I guess it did not work very well now did it.

Now if the person loved the person he stole from, and trusted God to take care of his needs, he never would have stolen now would he.

He how futile the law is at making us do good?



Yes. Now let me ask, is the Law against theft still in force? Is it still sin to steal. If the same person steals again, does he still have to seek forgiveness from God or does God say "Oh, that's OK, I did away with that old Law that defined stealing."

So, let me ask, does grace do away with the definition of sin? Or does it allow us to be forgiven for sin?
Grace says I love you inspite of yourself. I know you will sin, and I will still love you.

We love, because God first loved us, If we feel Gods unconditional love, we will want to please and follow our god. And sin against our God, and we will want to find out why God says do not do this or that.

The law does not help us in this area does it?

What does the law do? Condemn.

God removed the condemnation of the law not the law itself. Yes it is still there to prove we are still sinners, but why do people go around like pharisees saying they are righteous by obeying the law. when the law STILL CONDEMNS THEM.


as I asked you earlier (and you never answered)

Which father would you rather follow and do his will?

the father who shoves laws down your throat and says do them or he will kick you out of his family.

or the father that gives you guidelines and parameters of how to live (whats right and wrong) but loves you unconditionally, By lovingly chastening you when you go outside of those parameters. But will still stand by your side and call you son?
 
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for sin shall not have dominion over you BECAUSE you are not under law but under grace.
the legalist will never hear this, because the legalist has watered down the law so where he can see himself as righteous by the law. refusing to see the law has made him a wretched man, continually stained by sin.

thats why he will reject following after the spirit. he denys the law is of the flesh.
 
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Yep, the sins he committed, he repented of...

He freely admitted and then repented. He did not dodge behind the false doctrine that the Law no longer applied to him.
yeah he did.

sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire.

He understood grace, he understood God loved him anyway, You know. they God who called him a man after his own heart when he was a kid in the field. Yeah, the god who said this about him KNOWING he was going to be a murderer and adulterer.

what does that tell you about Gods love vs the law?
 
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I have already explained over and over ...just as Paul did that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk in the Spirit and the commandment of Christ to love...whats so hard about what God has made so simple for us?
I don't know, pretty simple, if we are walking in the Spirit we are keeping the law.. All of " our " works are now by default, HAYA gets all the glory.. Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit along with the other great fruits..
 
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what does that tell you about Gods love
vs the law?
There is no verse each other eg, they are one in the same... If your walking in the Spirit, we are keeping the laws ( commandments ) Why Yahshua said He came to fulfill it, not do away with it.. The law stands for those who live in the flesh and don't repent, and don't have sincere faith... Through faith we get grace, to learn how to walk in Spirit, not to just do whatever we want, ya know ?
 
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I don't know, pretty simple, if we are walking in the Spirit we are keeping the law.. All of " our " works are now by default, HAYA gets all the glory.. Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit along with the other great fruits..
This is why Paul said over and over and over again that in the true Gospel...ONLY God gets the glory...only God can boast... And we get to boast in our God :)
 
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the legalist will never hear this, because the legalist has watered down the law so where he can see himself as righteous by the law. refusing to see the law has made him a wretched man, continually stained by sin.

thats why he will reject following after the spirit. he denys the law is of the flesh.
Here it is...

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

All those under the law are in the flesh...no wonder they are so consumed with their sin ...they cannot cease (rest) from sin.
 
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It is written that Yahushua said if you love me, keep my commandments.
What are the commandments?
What are we to keep that we may be that which glorifies the Father, and the Son?


We have the Ten Commandments written by the finger of Yahuwah the Father given to us by through Moses;
Love Yahuwah thy Elohim with all they heart. We are to have no elohims before Him, that we make no graven images or likeness of anything that is in the heavens or earth, that we should not bow down to them or serve them. We are not to take Yahuwah’s name in vain, and we are to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. We are to honor our mother and father. We are not to murder, commit adultery, or steal. We are not to bear false witness against our neighbor nor covet anything that is our neighbors.

Then we have the new commandment given to us by Yahushua himself; we are to love one another as He has loved us.

Those that believe on Yahushua will do the works that He did, and even greater works will they do, because Yahushua has went to the Father, and He has sent us the Spirit of Truth. He is with us and whatever we ask in His name, he will do it, for that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Please understand that to us who believe on Yahushua, these laws are the law of life, where to others they are the law of sin and death. We will be hated of this world for this very reason, that we show the love of our Master, keep His commandments, and do the works that He has done, and yet even greater works that the Father may be glorified in Him though us.
We are to be like our Master, and brothers to Him in His kingdom. Where we find Him, we find the way to our heavenly Father and life everlasting.

All of this is greater than anything else we might hear, see, live, or possess in this world. We know that this world and all that is in it that is not of Elohim will pass away in the great cleansing, so that our Heavenly Father can be here on earth with us once again… forever after.

This is when the lion will sit with the lamb together in true peace and love, with our home and streets of pure gold, grass that never fades, and never ending water that we thirst no more. No more sorrows, no more tears, and we will not know sickness or death anymore.

When He returns for the great cleansing, before He does that, He will have our reward with Him for everyone, and it will be poured out upon us. Those that are in Him, taken up with Him, then comes the great cleansing. This world will be wiped away and made new… born again, even as we shall be.

Don’t get left behind in the great cleansing. There has been a way made for you, and that door can only be opened by you, no one else can open that door for you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
 

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Then why keep talking about the law and not being led by the Spirit ? .. If we live in the Holy Spirit, we don't have to worry about the law, the law is of flesh.." Before Ma'shiach " after the Messiah we were given the " Ra'hakodosh ", so why not preach the Ra'Hakodosh ?
Valid point.

I noticed that I can go to any church in the country and every one is lead by the Spirit, I can not say if they are or not. But every church in the country says they are, yet they all have different doctrines for salvation. The spirit of Yahweh has one doctrine and if the Spirit and Law are in agreement, which they are, then I can physically use my eyes to read the Law and see if my actions match. If my action match then yes it is the Holy Spirit guiding me, if my actions do not match then it must be another spirit. Ohh but the people read the spirits perfectly right? Then why do the majority of "spirit lead" people I have seen are in direct opposition of what the Spirit says.

Romans 8:13, "For as many as are led by the Spirit of Yahweh, they are the sons of Yahweh!"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."