Working out our Salvation

sveinen · Jan 3, 2015

Pick thy cross Holy Up, ROCK ON.

fredjames · Jan 6, 2015

Apostle Paul writes to the Church, the Body of CHRIST, even to the ones today, as there can only be 'one' body of CHRIST and it's members/body parts.

We have been redeemed from our past, of sin and death and now sanctified as HIS called people, away from carnality and the way of this world, and be parts of HIS SON, and that is our Salvation from GOD given to us as a free gift to 'enter' being from above.

Upon receiving HIS Salvation, hence forth 'work out' to keep that Salvation fit and secure in order to enter 'GOD's place of rest' in future, as HE promised through HIS Word(CHRIST) of the New Covenant. Putting to practice each day CHRIST's teachings of 'spirit and life' of the New Covenant by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, in order day by day forsake/bury one's carnality/flesh and conform into the spirit-man, like JESUS of Nazareth their MASTER.

That is therefore the 'work out' to be done, in order to be fit during 'Tribulation' and 'Persecution'.

i hope in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, GOD's people be 'built up' in our prophesying and not be once again remain in carnality/flesh and be conformed to the 'pattern of this world' and be rejected by CHRIST Himself, as workers of 'lawlessness' or 'iniquity'.

my_adonai_ · Jan 6, 2015

Amen yall. May God bless your contribution and that we may indeed Love Him in Deed and in Truth

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

posthuman said:

the "wherefore" there in v. 12 indicates this is not a 'standalone' phrase but a conclusion reached by the preceding argument.

we need to look back at the preceding verses for the whole thought:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
(Philippians 2:5-13)

so Christ set aside His glory and humbled Himself, taking on the form of a servant among us, in order that the great glory of His grace could be shown to us.
likewise, (wherefore!) we ought also to humble ourselves, having received this hope and promise of salvation by grace. yes, there is no more condemnation for us in Christ, and the penalty has been paid, and He has put in us a spirit of adoption and glory -- but it is God working in us, not us achieving righteousness, and our righteousness is by faith, a gift, not by our own strength and goodness -- so in respect, fear and humility we should do the things that are worthy of the high place He has set us in, the same way that Christ, though worthy to be glorified above all of the world, instead of seeking His own honor made Himself lower than all.

the Lord has given us backstage passes to the kingdom of heaven -- while we were lawbreakers with no right even to step foot in the parking lot.
should we cut line, jump on the stage, and disregard all the bouncers because we've been honored?
or meekly get in the back of the line, trying not to draw any attention to ourselves, being careful not to disobey any of the rules
for fear that this awesome prize will be taken away?

this is admonishing us to be meek, to remember that the great things God has for us, and does in us, are not because we deserve honor, but because He loves us and is showing great mercy to us.

No fear that this awesome prize will be taken away.
Salvation is not lost.

But an active reverence and a singleness of purpose in response to God's grace is called for in the process of perseverance, spiritual growth and maturation in the Christian life.

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

crossnote said:

Work out (show forth) what God has worked within.

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

SeaBass said:

You've got the cart before the horse.

They obey him because of what God works in them.

God, not man, is the source of it all.

SeaBass · Jan 7, 2015

Elin said:

God's word instructs man on how to be saved and man therefore must work out/obey what God's word says to be saved.

Those that allow God's word to abide in them are the one's God works in:

Jn 8:37 those Jews were lost for they would not allow God's word abide within them therefore God did not work in them..."because my word hath no place in you."

Jn 15:7 those who are disciples that God does work in are the one's who allow God's word to abide in them..."If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

God does not work in men separate and apart from His word, nor does God just randomly choose certain men to work in apart from the word while leaving others alone to be lost. That idea puts moral culpability upon God.

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

SeaBass said:

God's word instructs man on how to be saved and man therefore must work out/obey what God's word says to be saved.

Those that allow God's word to abide in them are the one's God works in:

Jn 8:37 those Jews were lost for they would not allow God's word abide within them therefore God did not work in them..."because my word hath no place in you."

Jn 15:7 those who are disciples that God does work in are the one's who allow God's word to abide in them..."If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

God does not work in men separate and apart from His word, nor does God just randomly choose certain men to work in apart from the word while leaving others alone to be lost. That idea puts moral culpability upon God.

God is the source of it all.

SeaBass · Jan 7, 2015

Elin said:

Ye God works in those that allow His word to abide in them.

As God word did abide in those Philippian Christians "as ye have always obeyed"

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

SeaBass said:

That would be those who receive and believe his word and do not reject it.

jeff_peacemkr · Jan 7, 2015

my_adonai_ said:

....................................................................................which salvation is the verse talking about??
...............................................why does Paul specifically say with Fear and trembling??
.........................How do we implement that scripture in our daily lives??
And to whom does that scripture apply?
apply? "my beloved" (immersed in Yahshua, ekklesia only)
.........................by sheer grace implement; pray constantly, trust ABBA to accomplish all, and STAY(ABIDE)in His Word.
.................................................with fear and trembling; because so much is at stake, and so many deceive all. don't trust man.
.......................................................................................eternal salvation; (there's a lot more, but few get this far)

SeaBass · Jan 7, 2015

Elin said:

Yes, those that believe, receive and allows God's word to abide in them and not reject it are the ones God works in.

Elin · Jan 7, 2015

SeaBass said:

Those who are born again receive, believe and do not reject God's word.
To believe it is to obey it.

Those who receive and believe only temporarily were not born again (had no root of rebirth)
and fall away (Lk 8:13), because they were never really saved
and did not belong to the family of God, which their falling away shows (1Jn 2:19).

fredjames · Jan 8, 2015

my_adonai_ said:

Thank you for your humble acknowledgement sir 'my_adonai' and i am merely an unworthy servant, just doing my duty, and that contribution is given by our LORD JESUS CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT, as a reminder and a stir up of memory to all Christians of the HOLY BIBLE and again all in all, all 'thank you' and all 'blessedness' be to our FATHER, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

my_adonai_ · Jan 8, 2015

Amen. See context is very important... simple words can form heresies.

SeaBass · Jan 8, 2015

Elin said:

1 Pet 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Since one is born again by the word of God, it is impossible for one to be born again BEFORE one believes, BEFORE one receives the word of God.

Elin · Jan 8, 2015

SeaBass said:

Yes, the new birth comes about through the direct action the Holy Spirit (Jn 1:13; Tit 3:5)
and the gospel of the word of God calling to repentance and belief (1Pe 1:25; Jas 1:18; 1Co 4:15).
Regeneration and faith are one operation of the Holy Spirit.

And those who receive and believe the word of God only temporarily were not born again
(had no root of rebirth) and fall away (Lk 8:13), because they were never really saved
and did not belong to the family of God, which their falling away shows (1Jn 2:19).

AtonedFor · Jan 8, 2015

Elin said:

Okay, so it is IMPOSSIBLE for one who has been truly born-again
to decide that he/she prefers his/her old lifestyle of sin,
and acts on this free-will choice!

Okay, this "falling away" of yours ...
can one subsequently decide to return to an obedient lifestyle,
and act on this free-will choice!

SeaBass · Jan 8, 2015

Elin said:

1 Pet 1:23 the new birth comes about BY THE WORD. Which makes it impossible for one to be born again and then receive the word and believe it. No word = not born again.

The bible does not teach one must be "regenerated" by the Holy Spirit apart form the word. that idea puts moral culpability upon God/Holy Spirit for those that are lost are lost NOT due to their own shortcoming but are lost because the Holy Spirit's failure to "regenerate" them.

Rom 10:17 faith comes by hearing the WORD not by some random "regeneration" done by the Holy Spirit apart from the word.

It is not possible for one to "fall away" if he was never in a position of salvation to fall from. You cannot fall from salvation if you were never in salvation as you cannot fall from a tree unless you first get up into that tree.

Elin · Jan 8, 2015

SeaBass said:

One can hear the word for years and not receive/believe it.

Only when one is born again by the will of God, not by human decision (to believe--Jn 1:13), does one
then receive/believe it.

Regeneration (Jn 1:13) and faith (a gift--Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3) are a direct and
single operation of the Holy Spirit, neither are of man's decision (Jn 1:13; Php 1:29; Ac 18:37).

Working out our Salvation

sveinen

Guest

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

Banned

Banned

Banned

Banned

Banned

jeff_peacemkr

Guest

Banned

Banned

Banned

Senior Member

Banned

Banned

AtonedFor

Guest

Banned

Banned