55 Year Old Man Impregnates His 11 Year Old Granddaughter

[Colorful]

God decided. Copy/paste one line where I said God does not have involvement (I'll paypal you all my money). It's in conjunction... Nevertheless, God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah... God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate (to beget or generate offspring), but not unless/until they had sex (which is independent of God). Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree and I don't want your money. You said that God had input on whether a child was born. That is not up to God but that God gave the ability to procreate of our own. That is not what the bible teaches. The ability to have children is a gift from God. If that child is produced from rape that child has a purpose as God has a purpose for every man or do you disagree.

I meant Hannah prayed for to God for children or do you not believe the bible?

I was never going to give you any money was the point I was making, as I've never said God doesn't have a part here. I guess that was over your head. I apologize.

1.) So you "disagree". I said "God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah"... so obviously you DO think he did. Was this done by immaculate conception?

2.) You "disagree" with my saying, "God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate". Who was it that granted them the ability to procreate then... I'm terribly confused...???

Can you please tell me why you disagree with those 2 statements I made?

Did Hannah have to have sex with a man in order to exercise the gift of procreation or did God (without the need for a man) impregnate her? If God impregnated her, was this too done by immaculate conception?

 

[Kerry]

I was never going to give you any money was the point I was making, as I've never said God doesn't have a part here. I guess that was over your head. I apologize.

1.) So you "disagree". I said "God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah"... so obviously you DO think he did. Was this done by immaculate conception?

2.) You "disagree" with my saying, "God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate". Who was it that granted them the ability to procreate then... I'm terribly confused...???

Can you please tell me why you disagree with those 2 statements I made?

Did Hannah have to have sex with a man in order to exercise the gift of procreation or did God (without the need for a man) impregnate her? If God impregnated her, was this too done by immaculate conception?

Okay if you need the birds and bee's explained ask your dad. A man has a penis and a women has a vagina and when the met the seed of man is injected into that vagina and that seed mets with an egg in the women and a child starts to grow and God puts a spirit in that child.

 

[Colorful]

Okay if you need the birds and bee's explained ask your dad. A man has a penis and a women has a vagina and when the met the seed of man is injected into that vagina and that seed mets with an egg in the women and a child starts to grow and God puts a spirit in that child.

Huh? I didn't ask how conception occurs between a man and a woman...

Here, I'll repost the questions I DID ask.

1.) So you "disagree". I said "God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah"... so obviously you DO think he did. Was this done by immaculate conception?

2.) You "disagree" with my saying, "God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate". Who was it that granted them the ability to procreate then... I'm terribly confused...???

Can you please tell me why you disagree with those 2 statements I made?

Do you not remember when I asked if you agreed or disagreed and you said you disagreed?

 

[Colorful]

God decided. Copy/paste one line where I said God does not have involvement (I'll paypal you all my money). It's in conjunction... Nevertheless, God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah... God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate (to beget or generate offspring), but not unless/until they had sex (which is independent of God). Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree and I don't want your money. You said that God had input on whether a child was born. That is not up to God but that God gave the ability to procreate of our own. That is not what the bible teaches. The ability to have children is a gift from God. If that child is produced from rape that child has a purpose as God has a purpose for every man or do you disagree.

I meant Hannah prayed for to God for children or do you not believe the bible?

Okay, real nice and neat so you can answer why you disagree...

1.) So you "disagree". I said "God didn't impregnate Rachel or Sarah"... so obviously you DO think he did. Was this done by immaculate conception?

2.) You "disagree" with my saying, "God granted Rachel and Sarah the ability to procreate". Who was it that granted them the ability to procreate then... I'm terribly confused...???

Can you please tell me why you disagree with those 2 statements I made?

 

[Kerry]

Huh? I didn't ask how conception occurs between a man and a woman...

Here, I'll repost the questions I DID ask.



Do you not remember when I asked if you agreed or disagreed and you said you disagreed?

Okay young man, but why are you dissing Disciple Dave. It's clear that God decides who has a baby. so why the fun making of Dave He is saying the same thing.

 

[Colorful]

Okay young man, but why are you dissing Disciple Dave. It's clear that God decides who has a baby. so why the fun making of Dave He is saying the same thing.

I'm not sure how I was "dissing" him. I'd ask you to copy/paste what I might of said that was a "dis" but then you might just respond back about something entirely random.

Btw, I have not gotten a response yet as to why you disagreed with the statements. Can you enlighten me please?

 

[Sirk]

Look God talk is crazy talk. God will tell you start a business when you just bounced a check. God will tell you to eat onion sandwiches for two weeks and then heal your cancer. God is God and does whatever pleases Him. Can you bind Him? Can you put Him in a box? God does what God pleases to do and who are we to question Him? Do you know where God has stored the hailstones for last days and what are the foundations of the Earth? Can you name all the stars? who are we to say what God can and cannot do?

You missed the point

 

[john832]

I audibly giggled.

I threw up a little in my mouth.

 

[hannahbeth1124]

I threw up a little in my mouth.

That is... most unfortunate. lol

I think if I was the OP, at this point I'd just go ahead and start a new thread. More power to him though. As my mother would say "You're more patient than me, Mcgee."

 

[DiscipleDave]

Genesis 20 God don't do what?

17 So Abraham prayed unto God: and God healed Abimelech, and his wife, and his maidservants; and they bare children.
18 For the Lord had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.

Again yet another Scriptural proof that God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. It is only those who are a part of the last days generation who disagree with the Truth.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Yes of course... but how is my "theory" out the window? Prophet Dave asked "what would happen if God does not allow us [to have the gift/power to procreate]?" I responded... "the same thing that would happen if men and women didn't have sex".

I'm not sure I understand your point of view.

i never said what you are saying here, its in your mind that i said that. i NEVER said or even implied that God does not allow us [to have the gift/power to procreate]?. If i never said or even implied that, WHERE is that coming from?
This is why so much false accusing is prevalent in these last days. Because in your mind, you think i have said such a thing, therefore say that i did. This is not Godly.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

If people in this generation would know this one simple Truth, they would not be so quick to kill unborn children. And that Truth is. God creates LIFE. NOT humans. True God gave humans the ability to procreate, but it is God who decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. If people would believe that Truth, abortions would cease. But as long as they think humans can create life, the killing will continue, because an unborn child does not have LIFE.

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Hello DiscipleDave,

I think I understand what you're trying to tell us.

God creates live. Couples can have as much sex as much as their hears desire, but getting pregnant is a blessing from God. In other words, it is our own free will to have sex, and also His choice to give the couple a child.

Why He chooses to bless so many undeserving people, I don't know. I would take all of their babies if I could, haha.

Dave, is this what you are saying?

Yes, Thank You. i was thinking that maybe i was not saying it in a way that people could understand, but since you grasped exactly what i have been saying, and you understood it, then maybe others can understand it too.
Yes that is EXACTLY what i have been saying, and apparently people disagree with it.

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[DiscipleDave]

Prophet Dave may speak for himself, but discussing with him back and forth on this thread, I feel it's safe to say, "Yes, Dave is saying that". However, Prophet Dave is saying way much more than that. He is also saying:

A.) God gave men and women the gift of procreation (that is, to beget offspring) and in the same breath stating "Humans have nothing to do with a woman getting pregnant, ONLY God".

Again, you are saying things that i have said that i have not said, this is not of God brother. i have never said that humans have nothing to do with getting pregnant, that is in your mind that i have said that, or even think that, i have said over and over again "God DECIDES who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant" Why are you saying evil things against me, i say evil because anything that is said that is not True is evil. Why are you saying that i have said that, or have even implied that? Where is that coming from?

B.) God told him this "truth" and if we don't believe him, then we essentially are going against "truth" and God.

Again, i never said what you are saying that i said, you do error and are falsely accusing your brother.

C.) Life begins at conception and Jeremiah 1:5 somehow states this as well as every living person was foreordained to become prophets to the nations (the passage was NOT JUST intended for the Prophet Jeremiah).

i have never said that all people are foreordained to become prophets. Where is that coming from? Who is in your mind telling you that i have said all these things.
Challenge. If you can show any posts which confirm that i have said any of these things you accuse me of, then i will admit i am wrong, and evil, and a liar, and i will repent of it. We all wait to see if you can provide the posts which back up what you are accusing me of. Do you know why i already know you will NOT do this, because you will not find the evidence you need, because all that evidence is in your mind, and not on any post of mine.
i forgive you brother, i really do.

^i^

 

[Colorful]

True God gave humans the ability to procreate,

I think you're contradicting yourself and at the same time you're agreeing with me.
Procreate | Define Procreate at Dictionary.com
procreate: to beget or generate (offspring).

So you FINALLY admit, that God gave humans the ability "to beget or generate offspring"!!! Wooohoooo!!!!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Kerry said

I'm saying that biblically God determines when a child is born and not men.

No one has disputed (certainly not I) that God determines when a child is conceived... I still don't understand your point.

Are you being serious? That is all i have been saying in almost every one of my posts replying to you, is talking about God decides who will get pregnant (conceive) and who will not, and you now say "certainly not I" Are you serious, you have not done nothing but dispute me when i have said all along from the first post to you, that God determines when a child is conceived, and you have adamantly disputed this with me, only to now say you have not. .... sigh.... So be it.

I've just stated that in conjunction to God (giving us the power/ability to procreate), men and women can create life. That, too, is biblical. I'm pretty certain Mary is the only one that ever became pregnant without having sex after all.

And i have not even one time disagreed with you on that point, but i think somehow in your mind you think i have, and if so, show the post where i have disagreed with that, again, i doubt you will, it is in your mind. That is what makes me think, you are very young, maybe late teens, to mid 20's not older.

Oh, and Just calling me Dave is fine. Mocking is not of God. Now if you were calling me Prophet Dave because that is what you Truly believed than it is not mocking. But if you are calling me that not believing that i am, then you are mocking. Strange that i feel that i have to tell you what mocking is, youth. Please just call me Dave.

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[DiscipleDave]

Since "begat" is synonymous with "procreate" (to beget or generate offspring.. aka a child)... all these verses are completely wrong according to Prophet Dave... None of these men "created life" ... only God did. We should fix this huge translational error now!

You say they are wrong, i have never said or even implied they are wrong, its all in your mind brother.

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[Colorful]

Again, you are saying things that i have said that i have not said, this is not of God brother. i have never said that humans have nothing to do with getting pregnant, that is in your mind that i have said that, or even think that, i have said over and over again "God DECIDES who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant" Why are you saying evil things against me, i say evil because anything that is said that is not True is evil. Why are you saying that i have said that, or have even implied that? Where is that coming from?

I feel you actually want to be attacked and you want true evil to fall upon you so can you relish in it. More power to you, but assuming you didn't say or imply anything I've said wouldn't make my actions "evil"... it would be called a "misunderstanding". Stop trying to be a martyr.

Again, i never said what you are saying that i said, you do error and are falsely accusing your brother.

God creates LIFE. NOT humans. True God gave humans the ability to procreate, but it is God who decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant.

You didn’t say that?

i have never said that all people are foreordained to become prophets. Where is that coming from? Who is in your mind telling you that i have said all these things.
Challenge. If you can show any posts which confirm that i have said any of these things you accuse me of, then i will admit i am wrong, and evil, and a liar, and i will repent of it. We all wait to see if you can provide the posts which back up what you are accusing me of.

I've already quoting several things... but if you want me to find where you disagreed that Jeremiah 1:5 was intended for Jeremiah ONLY, I will add that to the list. Just let me know.

As I've already, clearly, posted the posts that confirm what I said, you don't need to confess to being evil (I don't think you being mistaken is evil), or a liar (unless that was your intent)... but yes, I'd love for you to acknowledge you were wrong so we can move on.

 

[hannahbeth1124]

Kerry said



Are you being serious? That is all i have been saying in almost every one of my posts replying to you, is talking about God decides who will get pregnant (conceive) and who will not, and you now say "certainly not I" Are you serious, you have not done nothing but dispute me when i have said all along from the first post to you, that God determines when a child is conceived, and you have adamantly disputed this with me, only to now say you have not. .... sigh.... So be it.



And i have not even one time disagreed with you on that point, but i think somehow in your mind you think i have, and if so, show the post where i have disagreed with that, again, i doubt you will, it is in your mind. That is what makes me think, you are very young, maybe late teens, to mid 20's not older.

Oh, and Just calling me Dave is fine. Mocking is not of God. Now if you were calling me Prophet Dave because that is what you Truly believed than it is not mocking. But if you are calling me that not believing that i am, then you are mocking. Strange that i feel that i have to tell you what mocking is, youth. Please just call me Dave.

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Let's not ignore the planks in our own eyes there, Dave. You've mocked him a time or two. Can you spot the sarcasm/mocking in this very post? We're all imperfect. To correct in love is one thing, to turn the conversation to his mocking from an entirely new topic is something else. I think you should check out this thread.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107131-effective-communication-forrums.html

There have been a lot of really great communication ideas put forth here, and think we ALL could benefit from them. I'm sure neither of you meant for this conversation to turn to mocking, yet it has. You're agreeing on one point, and disagreeing on others, but I think this is a pretty clear case of miscommunication. And while people have come in to "defend" you (when in reality, you were never under attack) I still feel if you took a little more time to read and communicate with the poster instead of furthering your point over and over (even when it's seemingly irrelevant) we could probably reach an understanding, or at the very least, an "agree to disagree" much sooner.

As a side note, I can totally see the posts Colorful is referencing, and agree with his assessment. Perhaps if you looked at it from his point of view? No one is here to attack anyone else. A series of poorly communicated ideas / some sort of understanding barrier (maybe even on both sides) has escalated this way beyond what is necessary. I urge you to take time, read through your posts, and see how others might feel when reading them. And do check out that thread. Quite a few people making/receiving good suggestions on how to avoid this.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Okay if you need the birds and bee's explained ask your dad. A man has a penis and a women has a vagina and when the met the seed of man is injected into that vagina and that seed mets with an egg in the women and a child starts to grow and God puts a spirit in that child.

Kerry that is what i have been telling him all along, he does not understand THAT. He does not understand that God decides who will get pregnant, he is stuck on the procreation part of it, the ingredients. The HOW, the copulation. All the things that are carnal concerning a NEW LIFE.
Those who are Spiritual see GOD in it. Those who are canal do not see God in it, they see man in it. He continually talks about Free will of man, the man has the ability to procreate, the Man is responsible for the pregnancy because of his free will and the mans ability to procreate. NOTHING about God. Carnal thinks carnal things.
i have been discussing with him in many points the spiritual aspect of a NEW LIFE being created, he can only see the carnal aspect of it, the free will choice, the procreation ability. He does not see that the instant an egg cell allows a sperm cell inside, that it is GOD who decided to allow that to happen. he only sees the carnal, the HOW a person gets pregnant, God not included. And a warning to you, i love him and all, but watch out, he will say you have said things that you have not said or even implied, carnal.

OH, Kerry, i prayed for you last night to receive a Blessing from God, i also prayed that it would not take a long time for you to receive it.

^i^

 

[Colorful]

i never said what you are saying here, its in your mind that i said that. i NEVER said or even implied that God does not allow us [to have the gift/power to procreate]?. If i never said or even implied that, WHERE is that coming from?
This is why so much false accusing is prevalent in these last days. Because in your mind, you think i have said such a thing, therefore say that i did. This is not Godly.

^i^

i know that all things happens because God allows it, or approves it. So the girl getting pregnant, God either allowed it, or approved it. Either way, it was God's choice to make.

Tell me, what happens that God does not allow, or approve? Anyone?

To which I replied… “The same thing that happens (or doesn’t happen) when a man and a woman don’t have sex. Does this refresh your memory?