Let's not ignore the planks in our own eyes there, Dave. You've mocked him a time or two.
You now accuse me of mocking him a time or two, but do not give the evidence of doing such a thing, Tell me, do you think that is of God? To accuse another with backing up what you are accusing? Tell me then where in any of most posts, where i have mocked him, i love him, and love you too, and would NEVER mock someone. So if you accuse me of this evil thing, then show it. or like Colorful, it is in your mind that i have done this evil thing, it is what you WANT to believe that i did, but i did not do that evil and wicked thing. Show it if you are going to accuse a Christian brother or sister of something, should you not show it? If i have done that, i want to be able to repent of it, take it to God in prayer, and apologize to him for mocking him. So i am asking you to show me where i have done that, please, because if i did, i need to repent of it.
Can you spot the sarcasm/mocking in this very post?
No, i could not, so please indicate what part of the post, what i said, that is mocking him? seriously i want to know.
True we are all imperfect, does not mean though we can't become perfect, the Bible teaches that with Jesus in us and the Holy Ghost helping us that we can be
Perfect too. Why do you think it is written to be
perfect even as God is perfect, if it were not possible to do. i can tell you have read nothing in the website below, if you did, you would know i believe in the Word of God that teaches we can be
perfect, through Jesus Christ's Strength and Power we can overcome every temptation, Scriptures plainly teach that too. If you want to see many of the Scriptural references to that very topic click
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To correct in love is one thing, to turn the conversation to his mocking from an entirely new topic is something else. I think you should check out this thread.
And you talking about me doing that, is related to this thread how? By you saying what you did above, what i am not to respond to that because what you say is not part of this threads topic? Or because you brought it up, should i not respond to it. You do not know what you are saying. my first response, my first post what right on topic to this thread, but when i said That God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant, is when the OP (Colorful) disagreed with that statement, and he has been disputing with me ever since, over that statement. You then come along read a few post, and jump in his bandwagon, all because of NOT what was being said, but because you did not like HOW it was being said. If i have said something untrue, then reveal it. i think, i said i and not the Lord, i think you just don't approve of the delivery of what i am saying, and therefore were against me from the start.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107131-effective-communication-forrums.html
Exactly as i was saying above, now you are putting a link for me to click on to effectively communicate in forums. See, nothing to do with WHAT i am saying, but everything to do with HOW i am saying it.
There have been a lot of really great communication ideas put forth here, and think we ALL could benefit from them. I'm sure neither of you meant for this conversation to turn to mocking, yet it has.
i agree mocking is evil and wicked. Sorry let me rephrase that, i feel that mocking is evil and wicked. You see i had to rephrase that because if i did not Colorful would accuse me of calling him evil and wicked. When that is not what i said or even believe, i believe if i mock, it is evil for me.
You're agreeing on one point, and disagreeing on others, but I think this is a pretty clear case of miscommunication.
i agree, and have clearly said it was, yet it continues does it not?
And while people have come in to "defend" you (when in reality, you were never under attack)
So you have read every single one of my posts have you? Or are you just assuming i was never under attack? Know you not that anyone who feels like they are being attacked, to that person is being attacked. Regardless what you think being attacked means, regardless what i think being attacked means. IF a person FEELS like they are being attacked, regardless if they are or not, to that person, they are being attacked. if then i feel like he has attacked me, by mocking me, by saying that i have done evil things, by saying that i have taught things that i did not say at all, and i feel that i am being attacked, how can you say i am not attacked, if i feel that i am being attacked? Or am i twisting your words again. When you felt i was twisting your words, did you feel attacked? Even though i did not twist any of your words, if i have please show, and even though i did NOT attack you, does not change the FACT that you felt attacked. my point is you can't say "when in reality, you were never under attack" When i most assuredly felt i was attacked. correction, you can "say" that, it's just not True.
Also you said "And while
people have come in to "defend" you ". Not people, one person KERRY.
I still feel if you took a little more time to read and communicate with the poster instead of furthering your point over and over (even when it's seemingly irrelevant) we could probably reach an understanding, or at the very least, an "agree to disagree" much sooner.
i 100% agree with this, the question is, have you told Colorful this, or just me?
As a side note, I can totally see the posts Colorful is referencing, and agree with his assessment.
i also agree with what he is saying, however what he disagrees with, the statement "God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant" This he disagreed with, and continues to talk about the HOW the girl got pregnant, and not the WHO decided for her to get pregnant, he dances around the issue and talks about free will, and the ability to procreate, and whatever else he can think of, NOT to address what he initially disagreed with. And Everything that he is saying about free will, the ability to procreate is all true, however as i have told him and another has told him, that is not the issue. So yeah what he is saying in his post is true, just not the issue that we are talking about. Now it seems kind of like, he is agreeing now, but because of adolescence not wanting to say "I was wrong" So dances around the issue, that is what i believe, and i could be dead wrong in that belief. i think he knows he is wrong. Or right now he can answer this next question with a yes or no answer.
Does God decide who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant, yes or no?
Perhaps if you looked at it from his point of view?
i see it from his point of view, he does not see it from mine. How can i better relay what i am saying. Lets say i make a comment that without the chain the bicycle could not be pedaled. Bob disagrees with that statement, and starts talking about how the tires make the Bicycle, how there has to be a frame for it to be considered a bicycle, he also says that a bicycle has to have handle bars and a seat in order for it to be a bicycle. i tell Bob, all that you say is True, but we are talking about the chain and only the chain, not any other part of the bicycle. Bob states yes but the frame has to be present for the chain to be on. Again, Bob isn't grasping that we are only talking about the chain, not the rest of the bicycle, not what holds the chain, not if the chain needs oil, not that if the bicycle has a chain but no pedals the chain is useless. Over and over again, i tell Bob, what you are saying is correct, but we are talking about the chain, and only the chain, NOT the bicycle. Than another comes along reads a few posts that are being said, and hears Bob talking about the bicycle and all that he is saying about the bicycle is True, and it seems that i am arguing with Bob about the bicycle, When it has never been about the bicycle, it has always been about the chain. For some reason, Bob has a difficult time separating the chain from the bicycle, like he is unable to discuss the chain and ONLY the chain, without including the bicycle with that chain.
i have been talking about the moment a person conceives, REGARDLESS of the situation, regardless of the free will of the man, or the free will of the woman, regardless of the situation, regardless that those involved had the ability to procreate, i am talking about God deciding if that woman will get pregnant or not. The WHO decides it factor, not the Why it happened. i am talking about the chain, he is talking about the bicycle. i think anyone who has been reading all the posts will see and agree that i know his point of view just fine, its that point of view (the bicycle) that he is not understanding we are talking about the chain.
No one is here to attack anyone else. A series of poorly communicated ideas / some sort of understanding barrier (maybe even on both sides) has escalated this way beyond what is necessary. I urge you to take time, read through your posts, and see how others might feel when reading them. And do check out that thread. Quite a few people making/receiving good suggestions on how to avoid this.
And you have told colorful this as well? Or just me?
The problem is you think that my delivery is not what YOU think it should be. Know you not that we are all the Body. the hand is not the feet, nor will the hand do as the feet would do. The eyes are different from the ears, and both have different functions to perform. Are there enough preachers delivering the Truth with salt and sugar? Where are the Hell and Fire and Brimstone preachers? Do we not need them too, when the salt and sugar is NOT working.
i will share with you now a vision that i have had from God.
All of a sudden i appeared on this bridge, it was a sunny day, and i was standing to the side of this bridge, i could not beleive how high i was, how high this bridge was, it had to have been 700 hundred or more feet. i have been on top of an airport tower which was 380 something feet high, and this was twice as high as that. But anyways i thought this bridge connects one continent to anther, it must, it is so high. and it was a four lane highway, no cars, no trucks, no vehicles, but a marathon of some kind was going on. Everybody was jogging past me, each one of them had a number on their chests, that thiing that struck me funny was some of the numbers were really long, like 925,453,405,354, my thought was, are there that many people running this marathon? Then i noticed the people, they were all happy, smiling, some singing while they were jogging, nobody looked sad, or upset, everyone happy, which is another thing that i found odd. Everybody happy, that don't sound right, not on Earth anyways. i looked to my right and was looking to see the end of the people, there was no end of them, this bridge looked like it went for miles and slightly downward, as if at some point it was on the land that i could not see because it was too far away. That is a lot of happy people i thought, Then i looked to see how far everyone was going, to see if i could see the finish, or maybe the land on the other side of the bridge. To my horror, there was no bridge, the bridge just ended, and by the time people realized that there was no bridge, they were pushed by those behind them, because they were all going a steady pace, and when all of a sudden people in front tried to immediately stop, the ones behind them not intentional ran into them pushing them forward. They were all falling to their deaths, one after another. i need to warn them i thought, but who is going to believe me, who will hear me, they look so happy, and i got to tell them they are going to die, to stop, the bridge is gone, they are not going to like me very much. i tried to scream at them to stop the bridge is out, i was screaming to the top of my longs for them to stop, no sound was coming out of my mouth. i stood there, while they all ran past me, happy and running to their deaths, then i felt it, the overwhelming feeling that their blood would be on my hands, that i was responsible for not informing them the Truth despite how they felt towards me, despite how they would treat me, to ruin their happiness, i was convicted above measure, and at that moment, like i was stung by a bee, i was in my bed, when a second before i was on that bridge.
It was because of that vision, that i no longer held my tongue. You see before that vision, i said nothing at all to people, i did not want to be disliked, i did not want to be the one to make people unhappy. People who live in sins and makes excuses for those sins will most assuredly become unhappy with me telling them to cease from those sins or else. But after that vision, i tell the Truth to a generation that does not want to hear the Truth, i tell homosexuals if they continue to practice homosexual activities they will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. i tell Heterosexuals if they continue to live in fornication or continue to live in adultery they will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. i teach against willful sinning. and i am not liked at all. Jesus taught the Truth and was killed for it. The Apostles taught the Truth and were killed or exiled for it. The prophets of old taught the Truth and they likewise were killed for it. The Truth is not accepted in the world.
So i know you think my delivery is in error, but using that vision as an example, there are plenty of preachers at the bottom of that bridge telling people very nicely to give up their wicked ways, to accept Jesus Christ, there are many people down there trying to convince those who are taking the bridge that the bridge is out, and those people will not hear them. By the time they get to me, it is too late, i am yelling at them to stop or else, if they ignore me as well, then it is not God's fault they did not listen to the preachers who were teaching things seasoned with salt and sugar, and would also not listen to me who is teaching with vinegar and harsh truths, but all of it done in love. A parent may tell their children as nice as they can don't run across the road at all, it is against the rules. But when that same child knows the rules, and that child is running towards the road and that parent see the truck coming, will yell at the child, STOP running or you will end up DEAD. Harsh words, but nonetheless done in Truth and in love. As to show the seriousness of continuing on the path that one is on, especially if that path is DEATH.
So you may think my delivery is in error, But i will tell you the Truth, God chose me to deliver it exactly as i am doing. Again, there are enough people in the body seasoning their teaching with salt as to not lose any of the congregation. Maybe if we had more Fire and Brimstone preachers, the world would not be as evil as it is. For who fears God in this generation? And it is written the Fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. NO not this generation, because this generation does not fear God, they teach that fear means respect, awe, or reverence, things that they do, do. When Hebrew or Greek never translates the word fear to mean any of those things. So this generation changes the word fear to mean something that they will agree with, effectively changing the Word of God to fit their own beliefs.
What i teach is What God has told me to teach, if i am lying than let Rev 21:8 stand True, that ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Harsh isn't it, but nonetheless TRUE and done in love. God knows that it is done in love, not relevant to me if humankind thinks it is not.
And as you can probably deduce, i have no friends. Because i do not fail to tell them the Truths which HE has told me. What, tell them not the Truth, so i can keep a friend? Is that not selfishness? i have Jesus, and that is enough.
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