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No actually I don't question God. Here is your question. .why? Because I have faith in Jesus Christ. Because the Bible IS the Word of God. Because I trust in the sovereign will of God. Because I have totally given my life to Christ.
Instead of constantly questioning God maybe you should read the truth. Maybe you should get to know God.
God will not force you but to completely ignore Him is ignorance.
Instead of constantly questioning God maybe you should read the truth. Maybe you should get to know God.
God will not force you but to completely ignore Him is ignorance.
Pointing fingers isnt anything new, either. Adam did it at Eve, Eve did it at the serpent.
Pointing fingers is not in God's nature either. God prefers mercy and grace.
But when you point finger at Him, expect the finger to be pointed back because the law of God is, the measure you measure with will be measured out to you. If you reject His grace you are judged by the law (that you're appealing to, by judging first). I suggest dont try to judge God my friend.
Pointing fingers is not in God's nature either. God prefers mercy and grace.
But when you point finger at Him, expect the finger to be pointed back because the law of God is, the measure you measure with will be measured out to you. If you reject His grace you are judged by the law (that you're appealing to, by judging first). I suggest dont try to judge God my friend.
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This I a perfect point. We don't like something that happened so we point the finger at God. We blame God for anything that goes wrong. We always blame someone or something else without accepting responsibility. When you blame God for disasters you are acknowledging God exists. So instead of fighting Him get to know Him. Once you get to truly know God you can begin to understand just a bit of why God allows these things. You cannot judge unless you know truth and once you know truth you will not judge.
If you refuse to get to know God you can only blame yourself.
If you refuse to get to know God you can only blame yourself.
Oh ColinCat... it is so simple... You're asking this because you're rejecting God. God vs satan is like choosing an unpleasant medicine that will heal you over pleasant recreational drugs that will keep you sick and kill you.
It's not God's fault that life is complicated... I wish with all my heart that you could see this!
It's not God's fault that life is complicated... I wish with all my heart that you could see this!
Deuteronomy 28:15-68[SUP]15 [/SUP]But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
[SUP]50 [/SUP]A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
[SUP]57 [/SUP]And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
[SUP]66 [/SUP]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
[SUP]67 [/SUP]In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
[SUP]50 [/SUP]A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
[SUP]57 [/SUP]And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
[SUP]66 [/SUP]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
[SUP]67 [/SUP]In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
It's pertinent to challenge the moral compass of any being that would consider its own creation's shortcomings (which that being has given them ability for) so invaluable as to cause them immense suffering and pain for being in the condition within which they were created susceptible to be within.
It's sort of like me having a child, whom I know will eventually make various mistakes and do various wrongs -- as is part of their natural condition -- and demanding they be absolutely perfect, and injecting them with arsenic if they aren't.
It's sort of like me having a child, whom I know will eventually make various mistakes and do various wrongs -- as is part of their natural condition -- and demanding they be absolutely perfect, and injecting them with arsenic if they aren't.
Yeah I can but you will not understand it until you know God.
He did not spare His only son for your sake. He came down and was begotten as a man, for your own sake. Suffered for what He was not guilty of. In a somewhat similar way these children suffer because illness is being distributed in the whole Body, because the world is fallen and tainted with sickness, because the spiritually sick parts are not being cut off now but given a time and chances to repent, and the innocent are suffering for the sakes of you who will not believe. These children are His saints and martyrs and share God's glory, and they sit on the throne with God in spiritual places because they dont grumble... like you do.
He did not spare His only son for your sake. He came down and was begotten as a man, for your own sake. Suffered for what He was not guilty of. In a somewhat similar way these children suffer because illness is being distributed in the whole Body, because the world is fallen and tainted with sickness, because the spiritually sick parts are not being cut off now but given a time and chances to repent, and the innocent are suffering for the sakes of you who will not believe. These children are His saints and martyrs and share God's glory, and they sit on the throne with God in spiritual places because they dont grumble... like you do.
I come up with this answer. ''Because God's mentality does not stop him from allowing it to happen''. That's a self contained truth. If his mentality stopped him, it would stop him. It doesn't stop him, therefore his mentality does not stop him allowing it to happen.
That's the best you can do when most answers are along the lines of ''God works in mysterious ways''.
That's the best you can do when most answers are along the lines of ''God works in mysterious ways''.
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We can know God without knowing everything about Him.
Suffering in creation exists because of mankind's rebellion against God. Suffering is a consequence of sin. Sin comes in many forms - physical, mental, spiritual. God is sovereign but He gave humanity free will to choose and trust Him or to not trust Him and be their own God. We chose wrongly. Now all creation suffers because the first man, Adam failed the test. But we have a Saviour (Christ Jesus, the last Adam who passed the test with flying colours, for our sakes) to give us hope in this life and the next, to rescue us from sin, death and the Enemy. But of course, that answer won't satisfy you. You make it seem as if Christians never struggle with the hard questions of life, we absolutely do. That said, we have less doubts, because we know where our identity and purpose lies. Grace is offered to you too. Just take it!
Suffering in creation exists because of mankind's rebellion against God. Suffering is a consequence of sin. Sin comes in many forms - physical, mental, spiritual. God is sovereign but He gave humanity free will to choose and trust Him or to not trust Him and be their own God. We chose wrongly. Now all creation suffers because the first man, Adam failed the test. But we have a Saviour (Christ Jesus, the last Adam who passed the test with flying colours, for our sakes) to give us hope in this life and the next, to rescue us from sin, death and the Enemy. But of course, that answer won't satisfy you. You make it seem as if Christians never struggle with the hard questions of life, we absolutely do. That said, we have less doubts, because we know where our identity and purpose lies. Grace is offered to you too. Just take it!