We are not under the law

DiscipleDave · Feb 16, 2015

This is what i believe.

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is His commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as He gave us commandment.24 And He that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and he in Him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

Notice, the Apostle John did not say His Commandments are to keep the 10 commandments, NO, The Apostle John plainly told us what His Commandments are to believe in Jesus, and to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. THAT are His commandments. Anyone who says HIS COMMANDMENTS are something other than What Apostle John just plainly told us His Commandments are, is teaching things contrary to Scriptures. What Christians are to keep is His Commandments, and the Apostle John tells us Christians what His Commandments are, and as Apostle John says, if you DO those two things, Then Jesus dwells in you, and you in Him. The 10 commandments are irrelevant, let the stone throwing commence.

Starcrash said:

What are you doing here? Seriously why are you on these boards full of Christians? To learn? To teach? To cause strife? What? And if a Muslim were to compliment me, and tell me all that you say above, i would understand, and not spit in his face for having hope that i come to his faith? And you say it's a pointless argument, so we were debating it then? strange i was not debating that, or arguing that either, maybe we are getting the answer to why you are on these boards, is it to argue? Do you like to debate, and therefore go to a Christian site even though you are not a Christian, to ARGUE? What does that say about you? sad. So knowledgeable in the Bible, and yet, well it's just sad.

^i^ responding to post #79

RickyZ · Feb 17, 2015

So you are saying that with the law written in our hearts we don't need the ones on the tablets, but will by default follow them none the less.

tribesman · Feb 17, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

...maybe we are getting the answer to why you are on these boards, is it to argue? Do you like to debate, and therefore go to a Christian site even though you are not a Christian, to ARGUE? What does that say about you? sad. So knowledgeable in the Bible, and yet, well it's just sad.

^i^ responding to post #79

Spot on...

royalscot · Feb 17, 2015

RyBread said:

nor is what you have said.in context to a new covenant change. see this is 2015. and of the quotes you gave would be under a old covenant.

Gentiles have been saved and adopted as children of Israel since the days of Moses.

Deuteronomy 10:18New International Version (NIV)[SUP]18 [/SUP]He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.

Leviticus 19:33-34New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. [SUP]34 [/SUP]The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Jeremiah 12:16New International Version (NIV)[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if they learn well the ways of my people and swear by my name, saying, ‘As surely as the Lord lives’—even as they once taught my people to swear by Baal—then they will be established among my people.

Exodus 12:48-49New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]“A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. [SUP]49 [/SUP]The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you(.your quote)

28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.3

royalscot · Feb 17, 2015

p_rehbein said:

all i am trying to point out, is time has reveled change. so we all believed in a new covenant (we are already believer because we are in a new covenant change). and this change came through jesus christ. ie we believed everything jesus done to be true. but we know jesus was sent to a jewish people first, however the date leads to how the gentiles were told about jesus. etc i divide nothing but stick to the bible facts of how this covenant was put in place.

RyBread · Feb 18, 2015

I was wrong. I withdrawal my statements about the 10 commandments and the Old Covenant vs New Covenant.. I sounded like the Pharisees. Forgive me..

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

When Paul speaks of not being under the law(unto righteousness) which law is he referring to? All of the law or the Mosaic law minus the Ten Commandments?:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP][a][/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code Rom 7:4-6

Paul then goes on to give an example as to why he had to die to a law of righteousness. Which law did he give as the example?

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. verses 7&8

Paul gives as the example of why he had to die to a law of righteousness ''Thou shalt not covet'' which is one of the Ten Commandments

Sophia · Feb 18, 2015

michael56 said:

When Paul speaks of not being under the law(unto righteousness) which law is he referring to? All of the law or the Mosaic law minus the Ten Commandments?:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[SUP][a][/SUP] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code Rom 7:4-6

Paul then goes on to give an example as to why he had to die to a law of righteousness. Which law did he give as the example?

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. verses 7&8

Paul gives as the example of why he had to die to a law of righteousness ''Thou shalt not covet'' which is one of the Ten Commandments

But it's not okay, or righteous, to covet.
The Law does not change. Our position in relation to the Law changes.

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

Sophia said:

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin.

If you live under a law of righteousness the penalty for sin remains, if you live under grace the penalty has been removed. Hence:

For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace Rom 6:14

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

If I said to you, “If you think of a pinkrabbit, God will condemn you to hell,” what is the first thing you will thinkof if you believe me? You would try desperately never to think of such acreature, wouldn’t you? You would become agitated at the thought of a pinkrabbit. You would be, animated, overwrought, disturbed, nervous, and panicstricken at the thought of the creature. You would end up in a frenzied stateconcerning it, I imagine. Now the more these emotions overcome you concerningthe creature, the more the thought of the creature will overwhelm you; it willbecome irresistible. You see, however, as you know there is no penalty ofcondemnation in place if you think of a pink rabbit, you will not get worked upabout it, will you? Paul states Romans 7:5-6:

For when we were in the realm of the flesh, thesinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruitfor death.[SUP] [/SUP]But now, by dying to what once bound us, we havebeen released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, andnot in the old way of the written code. (NIV)

Paul tells us the lawarouses sinful passions in us when we live under it. For he goes on to say wedie to the law − we have been released from the law (of righteousness) asChristians and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of thewritten code (the law). Why does he say thelaw arouses sinful passions for those living under it?
Well, you see, the same emotions that wouldovercome you at the thought of a pink rabbit, if you believed such thoughtscould condemn you, would also overcome you where sin is concerned if you liveunder the law. The penalty for sin is in place if you live under the law, isn’tit? Your sin, therefore can condemn you to hell. You would be extremelyagitated at the thought of sin. You would be animated, overwrought, disturbed,nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of sin. Now the more these emotions concerningsin overcome you, the more sin will overwhelm you, and the more your ability toresist sin will weaken. Why is this? Because those emotions bring you to anexcited state, friend. They are all bar panic-stricken definitions of the word excite. And the definition of panic-stricken is “frenzy,” and the definitionof frenzy is “wild excitement.” Theemotions that result from your fear of the penalty for sin bring you to a veryexcited (or aroused) state where sin is concerned. If you live under the law, therefore,your fear of breaking it (sin) results in sinful passions being aroused in you.That is why Paul tells us the law arouses sinful passions in us if we liveunder it.

john832 · Feb 18, 2015

royalscot said:

So explain to us how salvation (eternal life) was given by the Law until Christ died...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

royalscot · Feb 18, 2015

john832 said:

acts 10 and 15.
when you answer the fact, what time was the quote you quote for a gentile.
acts 10 and 15.

9 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Romans 3

BradC · Feb 18, 2015

john832 said:

Salvation, God's righteousness, came to those who believed and adhered to the promises of God. There was never a single soul of Israel who attained unto that righteousness by keeping the law for it only came by faith in God's promise. You believed God's word that came through God's oracles and you trusted in the word that came through their mouths. We can find every single one of them listed, called and anointed in scripture. The word anoint means that they were equipped with the Spirit.

john832 · Feb 18, 2015

royalscot said:

Ah, good ole Acts 15?

So tell me how the Gentiles are only required to do this...

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

john832 · Feb 18, 2015

BradC said:

Please explain to us what Mat 19:17 means. It plainly says that to enter into life, one must keep the Commandments.

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

john832 said:

Lets put it another way. WHY were Gentiles only asked to follow that?

john832 · Feb 18, 2015

michael56 said:

No, let's leave it at that, is that what is required of Gentiles?

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

john832 said:

Why do you not answer the question? Why was thou shalt not murder, steal, covet, bear false witness etc mentioned? Did the Jerusalem church just forget to mention them?

michael56 · Feb 18, 2015

Incidentally, it is widely believed three of those four laws were only mentioned to appease Jewish legalists who had become Christians

john832 · Feb 18, 2015

michael56 said:

Hmmm, that is the question that I asked you. Why wasn't it mentioned?

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