Masturbation

[JackH]

The claims made in the quote you posted are not identical to the ones that the OP posted.

The claims of the first post are as follows,
A1. masturbation is soul and body destroying
A2. masturbation is a vice
A3. Christians must learn to be controlled by principle
A4. Habitual sin blinds understanding
A5. The more one habitually commits a sin the more difficult it is for God to convict them

While the claims of the second quote are as follows,
B1. masturbation can result in early death
B2. masturbation can result in disease

The same person made all those claims. The credibility of a certain person pertaining to a certain subject should be determined based upon everything the person said on the subject, not bits and pieces that conform to your own position.

The person of which we speak also said:

"Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-door life. The result of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, and frequently, inward decay of the head. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity supervenes." (​Solemn Appeal, p. 63)

 

[kedge]

Is masturbation mentioned in the Bible?
Does God ever give any instructions regarding it?.

Does God give any instructions on tobacco smoking?, what about marijuana? are thos names mentioned in the Bible?, if not, is it ok to smoke the weed?, how can the Bible give instructions about every single individual human consumed product we eat smoke or drink?. The unclean act of Masturbation would have to be based on sexual immorality in general, sexual immorality is not exclusive to coitus.

 

[KohenMatt]

Does God give any instructions on tobacco smoking?, what about marijuana? are thos names mentioned in the Bible?, if not, is it ok to smoke the weed?, how can the Bible give instructions about every single individual human consumed product we eat smoke or drink?

Very true.

But if you look back, my point is that we should refrain from making harsh judgments regarding topics that God doesn't take. IS there wisdom in not smoking or doing drugs? Absolutely. But it is erroneous to begin question people's salvation or relationship with God because they do, especially when God doesn't make that stance.

 

[kedge]

harsh judgments.

I hear what you're saying, but somebody has to take the stance on such matters, yes we all fall short of God's Holy ways but that doesn't necessarily mean individuals should stop making the effort to be clean in God's eye's, i'm sure God understands our imperfections more so than anyone else could ever know, but, still, there are beneficial teachings in the scriptures that should help an individual to try to come to a good clean standing before God, i am sure He God would appreciate the effort that an individual is at least trying to be clean and Holy like the Almighty God.

 

[JackH]

Well, considering the topic at hand (no pun intended), my current avatar and my current signature, I offer the following words of Jesus Christ:

Matthew chapter 5

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[31] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
[32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Why do you suppose that Jesus Christ, in the midst of a discourse on "adultery", mentioned sinning with one's hand?

The answer ought to be obvious...

You asked KohenMatt in your post #129 what his take on this post was.

He's probably busy watching a baseball game (his divisional rival is playing right now on MLB Channel) and that's probably a sin too if you over-indulge. I admit to that sin. Fantasy baseball is the creation of the Devil.

So using your left hand is not sinful behavior?

Some say 5:30, in that the subject matter is adultery/divorce, is a metaphor for separating from a spouse who is sinning even if it is painful.

Saying 5:30 refers to masturbation is in my opinion making the verse say what you want it to say.

What is your interpretation of 5:28? What does "looketh on a woman to lust after her" mean exactly? Does that refer to any woman or a married woman? To be sinful behavior, do you have to do more than just look? Is a fantasy sufficient to be sinful behavior, or do you have to act upon that fantasy?

 

[JackH]

Does God give any instructions on tobacco smoking?, what about marijuana? are thos names mentioned in the Bible?, if not, is it ok to smoke the weed?, how can the Bible give instructions about every single individual human consumed product we eat smoke or drink?. The unclean act of Masturbation would have to be based on sexual immorality in general, sexual immorality is not exclusive to coitus.

What is sexual immorality, exactly?

I'm looking for a very specific answer.

As in, adultery and this and that and this and that.

 

[prove-all]

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass,
when he went in unto his brother's wife, that [he spilled it] on the ground,

lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did
displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.


“If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to lose one part of your body, than for your whole
body to go into Hell” (Matthew 5:30). ok mabe they should just change hands..

4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled:
but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

1I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
2For what portion of God is there from above?
and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

3Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?
4Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her
hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

But you trusted in and relied on your own beauty and were unfaithful to God
and played the harlot [in idolatry] because of your renown,
and you poured out your fornications upon anyone who passed by

And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her,
he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath [uncovered] his father's nakedness:
both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2Nevertheless, [to avoid fornication], let every man have his own wife,
and let every woman have her own husband.

3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence:
and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.Mark 10:8 (KJV)

And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife:
and they twain shall be one flesh?Matthew 19:5 (KJV)Genesis 2:24 (KJV)Ephesians 5:31 (KJV)

28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it,
even as the Lord the church:

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church

 

[KohenMatt]

What's your take on this:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/110210-masturbation-6.html#post1963966

???

I would say say that if Jesus was so literally and seriously talking about masturbation, then we should literally and seriously continue following His instruction and start cutting off eyes and hands.

Anyone believe THAT strongly in what He's saying?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?

 

[ember]

"Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-door life. The result of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, and frequently, inward decay of the head. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity supervenes." (​Solemn Appeal, p. 63)

and people wonder where women's lib came from.....and I'm not a woman's libber...bit before my time anyway, but nothing like a revival of the good ole days, eh?

I suspect the author may have first hand knowledge of these maladies

Give me Charles Dickens

 

[Willie-T]

So sad. I have spent decades helping messed up and confused men people spouting idiotic rhetoric like you guys are doing have just beat down to hopelessness.

 

[popeye]

This thread could be written before Jesus' advent. The advice is basically don't do it through ordinances fom the law/do it because it is nomal.

Before aperson is born again they are ruled by things other than God's spirit. The law was given in the old covenant as God's testimony or to define God's demands for behvior in light of his presence.

IOW it reveals man's inability to do right..

The law (ordinances/rules) is not a sustainable cure.Which most here erroneously believe.

Power to walk holy comes from......cue drum roll here............the Holy Spirit.

Through the power of the HS operating,abiding ,controlling,we now have the basis in place to OBEY GOD.

 

[KohenMatt]

You asked KohenMatt in your post #129 what his take on this post was.

He's probably busy watching a baseball game (his divisional rival is playing right now on MLB Channel) and that's probably a sin too if you over-indulge. I admit to that sin. Fantasy baseball is the creation of the Devil.

I wish I was able to watch the Royals more. But sadly, we don't have TV of any significance.

And Fantasy Baseball? Well, let's just not talk about that, OK?

 

[psychomom]

I wish I was able to watch the Royals more. But sadly, we don't have TV of any significance.

And Fantasy Baseball? Well, let's just not talk about that, OK?

i just dropped into this, um...thread? to say hi Matt!

hope you've been well.

 

[mailmandan]

There is actually a LOT of very credible informative study in this area. Sexual fantasies and other addictions really DO seem to create havoc in neural transmitters AND on the actual physical growth and shape of the brain, itself.

I also read that when people indulge in porn, they release powerful chemicals in their brain and body. Mark Kastleman, author of The Drug of the New Millennium, said, "There are a growing number of therapists and psychologists who are saying that this is as addictive as cocaine," or alcohol, or even heroin. He explained that, when people view porn, "It causes the brain to release what we call endogenous drugs or endogenous chemicals. 'Endogenous' meaning 'produced from within.' So where cocaine or alcohol seek to mimic the brain's natural chemicals, pornography releases the real deal. And so we have things like adrenaline, epinephrine, ACTH."

 

[Sirk]

I also read that when people indulge in porn, they release powerful chemicals in their brain and body. Mark Kastleman, author of The Drug of the New Millennium, said, "There are a growing number of therapists and psychologists who are saying that this is as addictive as cocaine," or alcohol, or even heroin. He explained that, when people view porn, "It causes the brain to release what we call endogenous drugs or endogenous chemicals. 'Endogenous' meaning 'produced from within.' So where cocaine or alcohol seek to mimic the brain's natural chemicals, pornography releases the real deal. And so we have things like adrenaline, epinephrine, ACTH."

Ive heard that in a cat scan, the porn addicts brain looks just like the meth addicts brain.

 

[Willie-T]

I also read that when people indulge in porn, they release powerful chemicals in their brain and body. Mark Kastleman, author of The Drug of the New Millennium, said, "There are a growing number of therapists and psychologists who are saying that this is as addictive as cocaine," or alcohol, or even heroin. He explained that, when people view porn, "It causes the brain to release what we call endogenous drugs or endogenous chemicals. 'Endogenous' meaning 'produced from within.' So where cocaine or alcohol seek to mimic the brain's natural chemicals, pornography releases the real deal. And so we have things like adrenaline, epinephrine, ACTH."

True. The recently discovered similarities to drug (and other) addictions are kind of startling. The brain actually seems to wither and develop literal holes in the surface.

 

[Sirk]

True. The recently discovered similarities to drug (and other) addictions are kind of startling. The brain actually seems to wither and develop literal holes in the surface.

Yup. Porn and meth addicts alike look like a mouse has nibbled away at the top of their brain.

 

[KohenMatt]

i just dropped into this, um...thread? to say hi Matt!

hope you've been well.

Hi, pmom. Thanks for checking in, and yes, I've been doing great!

trusting you been well, too!

 

[mailmandan]

Yup. Porn and meth addicts alike look like a mouse has nibbled away at the top of their brain.

It sounds porn addiction turns our brains into swiss cheese!

 

[Sirk]

It sounds porn addiction turns our brains into swiss cheese!

Sure does! Turns out free will isn't that free I guess. Yet they say, "who are you to tell me what is right or wrong, I'm not gonna follow some antiquated old book that tells me what is best for me"

turns out they knew things thousands of years ago that science is just now "discovering" and that God really does know what is best for us and has ALWAYS had our best interests at heart.