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That's not the right attitude to have. It's a hateful attitude and if you are concerned with other Christians, why would you write such things?

See, that is the attitude that I sensed behind your post and perhaps others did to.

Referring to other posters as your enemy seems to indicate that you may believe you have brought a message here that demands we all respect

I don't see it that way and that does not make me your enemy. The book you quote is not the word of God


Well dear..ur seeing was wrong about why I posted the post on Masturbation.
 

Angela53510

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This is a subject that comes up often during my many hours of counseling women. They are afraid to talk to anyone, ESPECIALLY other Christians and even their husbands. But the guilt is strong. Some have husbands who are too quick or not given to deal with the sex play that a woman needs for fulfillment, so they finish later. Some have sick or aging husbands who are unable to even have sex or don't want to. Some wake up in the middle of the night with a strong sexual feeling and just finish it. Their bodies seem to know what they need. Some are single, and need a relief. Some have husbands who are in the military and away for years. And pornography is not a part of it at all!

So they seek some answers, and I prayerfully tell them that the bible does not address this. I have no reason to tell them that what is happening is wrong. I do tell them to follow their own heart after praying and that this seems to be very common - they are not alone - and should not feel shame.

What is wrong is if this takes precedence in their lives - becomes an addictive thing - and consumes their life. For most, it doesn't. I would say the same thing with someone asking if having a glass of wine is wrong.

This is not an easy to answer thing. It is very personal. And every situation is different. How can we easily make judgment calls on something that is a need that God put into our human bodies? And only He can make a judgment if that need is abused.

I agree totally with this post. Well put, Joidevivre!
 

Joidevivre

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Would you say that a lack of communication is big part of the issue in the examples you described?
Very possibly this is happening. Most don't want to let their husbands know that they are "lacking" in this department. But for some, they don't have husbands. They are single for some reason - divorce or widowed.
 
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I had no responsibility to either of u to tell my source. So nope I would not have.
Yes, you did.

You at the very least are guilty of intellectual dishonesty.

If you were a journalist or college student and did what you did and got caught, you would be fired or fail.

Plagiarism is not always a copyright violation, but if it is, there are other repercussions.

Not only with respect to you, but respect to website owners where copyrighted material is posted.
 

blue_ladybug

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I had no responsibility to either of u to tell my source. So nope I would not have.
RTSD, if you don't cite a source that is not your own, that is considered plagiarism, or in simple terms, stealing someone else's words and using them as your own.. for instance, if you say "the grass is green because of the chlorophyll in it", then you need to cite the source like this:

*above statement taken from nature.com*

:)
 

jsr1221

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RTSD, if you don't cite a source that is not your own, that is considered plagiarism, or in simple terms, stealing someone else's words and using them as your own.. for instance, if you say "the grass is green because of the chlorophyll in it", then you need to cite the source like this:

*above statement taken from nature.com*

:)
Well, in research yeah. But in journalism, a reporter isn't required to reveal his or her source.
 

1joseph

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What about in marriage between husband and wife is this too a sin?
No. The marriage bed is undefiled. So, enjoy!

"Thank you Father. Your ways are righteous."

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
 
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Well dear..ur seeing was wrong about why I posted the post on Masturbation.
I'm not your dear...that's sarcastic right there. That's just what I am referring to.

You did not post for a discussion.

See, I do not and neither does any other believer, come under YOUR or any other person's condemnation

This

Thank u very much those of u who hate the light and feel that u must have a resource in order to acknowledge the truth. Thank u again for the feeding frenzy , because it shows exactly what God says about your enemies being of ur own household. Did you know it will be so called Christians who will bring other Christians down? Light and darkness cannot dwell together.
is not a desire for a discussion. I find that what can bring a Christian down is condemnation by those who preach a false gospel and who desire to control through fear and missaplication of the words of Jesus.

New Christians especially might be susceptible to this type of pandering and the attitude is not forgiving or loving.

NOTHING can take us out of God's hands...and that is something many people need to repeat over and over and over

So, when someone comes along and shouts at everyone in huge red type, I see nothing but red flags
 
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Sin is sin. Gossip is sin. Backbiting is sin. Unforgiveness is sin. Gluttony is sin. Judging the heart of others is sin.

Frankly, I think the book is beyond the comprehension of the people quoting it.
 
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VioletReigns

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......... just as long as your "telling" sounds like the way Jesus would say it. (The only people He ever 'bashed' were the stubborn legalists........ NEVER the honest seekers)
Oh, how I wished this truth were preached more!
 
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Well, in research yeah. But in journalism, a reporter isn't required to reveal his or her source.
Do you think that George Will can write an article for The Washington Post that he copy and pasted from Leonard Pitts' article in The Miami Herald about the jerk-off (trying to stay on topic here) GOP without forfeiting his Pulitzer Prize?
 
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skylove7

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Perhaps sister...you simply posted a thread titled 'masturbation'...So all us good Christians would be caught with our names under 'latest activity', in your forum titled 'masturbation'
Is Larry Flint not available for you to express your feelings sister?
Skylove exits stage left!
 
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What is your clear and convincing evidence from the Bible that masturbation is sinful behavior?


I would ask the same of anybody else who has made comments similar to yours.

"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."
"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;"
"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry."


Some might think "I don't see the word masturbation" but the Bible doesn't always read like a book of laws, it often gives us general principles which we can apply for ourselves. It's also important to keep in mind that just because the Bible does say that something is wrong, does not necessarily mean that it isn't wrong. God gave us conscious and moral intuition for a reason; we have the ability to see immorality and recognizes it such, intuitively. This is why even atheists intuitively believe that things like murder and rape are wrong. I think that given what one knows of the world, and given what one can freely learn from the word of God, if one does not accept that masturbation is a sin that it is a result of willful ignorance,
"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, 'Did God really say that'"
I'm not sure what you believe, but that is my stance on the issue.
 
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1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
 
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......... just as long as your "telling" sounds like the way Jesus would say it. (The only people He ever 'bashed' were the stubborn legalists........ NEVER the honest seekers)
Yes, but this was also at a time when legalists were the most proud of their sins, whereas the prostitutes and tax collectors were not so proud of their sin, and were shunned by society. The former needed to be told about their sin much more than the latter, I think that it's about equal in today's society. Since we don't have a general sense of shame (which may be a good thing or it may not) it is now more necessary than ever to say things that Jesus never would have needed to, because everyone at his time knew it already. For example, the women caught in adultery, she knew that she had sinned, so Jesus didn't need to say much, he just said "Go and sin no more", but the pharisees didn't believe they were sinning, so much more had to be said.
 
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Res ipsa loquitor.

What Ellen G. White said speaks for itself. I didn't attack Ellen G. White (ad hominem) whatsoever. I quoted exactly what she said with respect to the subject of the thread.

Did what I quoted from Ellen G. White sound like "she has given good counsel here" to you?
The claims made in the quote you posted are not identical to the ones that the OP posted.

The claims of the first post are as follows,
A1. masturbation is soul and body destroying
A2. masturbation is a vice
A3. Christians must learn to be controlled by principle
A4. Habitual sin blinds understanding
A5. The more one habitually commits a sin the more difficult it is for God to convict them

While the claims of the second quote are as follows,
B1. masturbation can result in early death
B2. masturbation can result in disease
 
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Well, in research yeah. But in journalism, a reporter isn't required to reveal his or her source.
this isn't a journalism course..lol.. it's a public forum..
I think that makes the case even stronger. If journalist don't even have to cite things all the time then why should a couple of people casually chatting on the internet have to? Or take another example, when people make covers on YouTube they have to reference the song writer, but if you sing a song at a campfire you don't have to tell everyone who wrote the song if they don't ask. I like to think of this discussion as though it's happening around a campfire,
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Perhaps sister...you simply posted a thread titled 'masturbation'...So all us good Christians would be caught with our names under 'latest activity', in your forum titled 'masturbation'
Is Larry Flint not available for you to express your feelings sister?
Skylove exits stage left!
It's probably those kinds of places Jesus is going to check first to put us on the "Sheep" side of the list.
 
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Well, considering the topic at hand (no pun intended), my current avatar and my current signature, I offer the following words of Jesus Christ:

Matthew chapter 5

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[31] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
[32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Why do you suppose that Jesus Christ, in the midst of a discourse on "adultery", mentioned sinning with one's hand?

The answer ought to be obvious...