misunderstandings between Catholics and Christians

[fredjames]

I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

Please understand that this is a 'Bible Discussion Forum' and let us discuss about the HOLY BIBLE Holy Scriptures, and then fairly you can distinguish between the 'spirit of error' and the 'spirit of truth'. The 'foundation' of a church is not based on man made catholic or protestant denominations and devotes, but the HOLY BIBLE, especially the New Covenant, as CHRIST is the only 'Head' of HIS own body, the church.

No man puts himself on the 'seat' of CHRIST, but only a 'spirit of anti-CHRIST disguised in men' and 'anti-CHRIST himself'.

Also please remove the picture of a man still hanging on a cross and give him a proper burial. Because our JESUS of Nazareth have been approximately 2015 years ago, have been crucified and taken down from the cross and was given a proper burial and on the third day HE rose again and for more than 40 days appeared to most of HIS followers and then 'ascended' into the heaven to be seated at the right side of GOD and also as 'Great High Priest' for HIS church.

No 'man' or 'women', nor 'buildings', nor 'denominations' can take that 'position' nor the 'duty' of HIS, 'ordained' by the FATHER HIMSELF, in order for CHRIST to serve in the 'original Temple' in Heaven, for HIS 'church/a gathering', here on earth.

Therefore someone is putting on an 'hypocritical show' in order to deceive many. Beware 'lambs' and 'sheep' of GOD.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

This thread was started 4/11/12.

The guy who started it hasn't been active since September 23rd, 2014.

Something tells me he probably won't be responding anytime soon.

 

[Galahad]

I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

Catholicism is a lie. Well, if I were to chose one, it would have to be the claim that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus built His church.

 

[fredjames]

This thread was started 4/11/12.

The guy who started it hasn't been active since September 23rd, 2014.

Something tells me he probably won't be responding anytime soon.

Thank you and may GOD in CHRIST bless you.

 

[fredjames]

Catholicism is a lie. Well, if I were to chose one, it would have to be the claim that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus built His church.

The vatican church in Rome itself is built 'upon' Apostle Peter's grave. Can you see how the Roman catholic church was 'physically' built upon Apostle Peter's grave, the rock, as to in a way, seem to fulfill the justification of CHRIST.

But please do not be deceived by that, because we need to understand the knowledge of the Holy Scripture in the HOLY BIBLE and perform them 'spiritually'.

 

[Jeff_56]

"The Church of Rome says that she has a right to punish with the confiscation of their goods, or the penalty of death, those who differ in faith from the Pope. — ibid, p. 376.

America simply has no idea of the terrible trouble and persecution that is coming soon at the hands of the papacy. The people of America have forgotten the wanton cruelty and unrestrained butchery this unholy power demonstrated during the Dark Ages when it slaughtered over 150 million Christians because they wanted to worship God according to the Bible. Hitler’s holocaust against the Jews was tiny compared to the papal holocaust against Christians during the Dark Ages, "

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
http://www . pacinst . com/nslaw/chapter4/us.html

"CHAPTER 4

THE UNITED STATES

OF AMERICA



We must now show that the papacy is the most deadly enemy the United States will ever have to face. This fact is virtually unknown among the people. Using the utmost secrecy to conceal her plans, the papacy, through her facade of religion, has for many decades been infiltrating the United States in all levels of government. ...."

 

[mikeuk]

Catholicism is a lie. Well, if I were to chose one, it would have to be the claim that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus built His church.

Despite the fact that scripture says it in Mt 16:18 specifically , and even Luther and Calvin believed Peter was special because of it! , the geographic topography of the location of that conversation highlights it historically too! Ignore the ones who say Petra and petros are different, they have yet to realise the conversation was Aramaic which makes no such distinction proven by " bar Jonah". The Greek is just a translation, Petra and petros used for emphasie not meaning.

 

[fredjames]

"The Church of Rome says that she has a right to punish with the confiscation of their goods, or the penalty of death, those who differ in faith from the Pope. — ibid, p. 376.

America simply has no idea of the terrible trouble and persecution that is coming soon at the hands of the papacy. The people of America have forgotten the wanton cruelty and unrestrained butchery this unholy power demonstrated during the Dark Ages when it slaughtered over 150 million Christians because they wanted to worship God according to the Bible. Hitler’s holocaust against the Jews was tiny compared to the papal holocaust against Christians during the Dark Ages, "

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
http://www . pacinst . com/nslaw/chapter4/us.html

"CHAPTER 4

THE UNITED STATES

OF AMERICA



We must now show that the papacy is the most deadly enemy the United States will ever have to face. This fact is virtually unknown among the people. Using the utmost secrecy to conceal her plans, the papacy, through her facade of religion, has for many decades been infiltrating the United States in all levels of government. ...."

The forefathers of America who randomly landed on that land, were actually 'runaways' from that 'papacy' of Rome in England. They are truly the 'wolves in sheep clothing', who have murdered in the name of CHRIST, also many Christians and saints, even their own, in a time where the vatican city was being built.

This is not 'judging' them but historical facts on those to watch out for who are in 'disguise'.

As it is written;

"Even satan disguises himself as an angel of light. And it is not surprising that his servants disguises themselves as servants of righteousness."

Apostle Paul was referring this and as well also the other Apostles, during their time, about their 'oppositions', who were 'counterfeits' and 'imposters' on their churches, who were in the beginning with them, but have gone on ahead of them and ministering on their own. It is the same as 'going on ahead of CHRIST's teachings as well and have not GOD. Just imagine the churches they would have established in their time and that church would have grown by now, with a different 'christ' and different 'spirit'.

Let us ponder and ask the HOLY SPIRIT whether, do these established 'counterfeit' churches even exist today, that has 'outgrown' itself and 'popular'?

That is what we are most probably 'witnessing' today.

JESUS said in the Gospel to HIS disciples that;

"Pray that you will be counted worthy to escape tribulation."

 

[kaylagrl]

I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

Well my top one would be the Pope being infallible along with a Priest being able to absolve sins.Second would be the worship of Mary and praying to statues.Third would be praying for the dead.Fouth would be infant baptism. A few of the topics I'd disagree with.

 

[Galahad]

The vatican church in Rome itself is built 'upon' Apostle Peter's grave. Can you see how the Roman catholic church was 'physically' built upon Apostle Peter's grave, the rock, as to in a way, seem to fulfill the justification of CHRIST.

But please do not be deceived by that, because we need to understand the knowledge of the Holy Scripture in the HOLY BIBLE and perform them 'spiritually'.

Peter was never raised from the dead as was Jesus.
A building supposedly built over what might be Peter's grave as evidence for Catholicism. Well, that supposed evidence is nullified by "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Hell has clearly prevailed over the Catholic church. Just ask the many men and women it has burned at the stake, beheaded, and strangled. Ask the boys who've been molested. Ask. Ask the men and women who've been robbed by its greed. Then look. Look at the idolatry. Oh, Hell has ruled there in, all through its history. Well, since Hell has prevailed over Catholicism, that means Catholicism ain't the church built by Jesus. It ain't the one built upon the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

The Vatican, that has a devilish sound to it.

 

[mikeuk]

Peter was never raised from the dead as was Jesus.
A building supposedly built over what might be Peter's grave as evidence for Catholicism. Well, that supposed evidence is nullified by "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Hell has clearly prevailed over the Catholic church. Just ask the many men and women it has burned at the stake, beheaded, and strangled. Ask the boys who've been molested. Ask. Ask the men and women who've been robbed by its greed. Then look. Look at the idolatry. Oh, Hell has ruled there in, all through its history. Well, since Hell has prevailed over Catholicism, that means Catholicism ain't the church built by Jesus. It ain't the one built upon the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

The Vatican, that has a devilish sound to it.

The rock with which Christ distinguished peter had nothing to do with Rome - it was a well known rock platform on which a pagan temple was built in Caesarea Phillipi, and he was contrasting that his church would be built on his rock Peter, not the rock over there... But then that is the problem with sola scriptura , it lacks the historical, geographic, and tradition foundations needed to interpret it, so net result is thousands of denominations post reformation as all got to make their own interpretations up. But on this, they have drifted so far they no longer even agree with Luther and Calvin who both thought peter was special.
Now anything goes in designer Christianity it seems - where people make doctrine conform to their likes, not the other way round, then cherry picking scripture out of context to try to avoid established cinterpretations. The whole Petra / petros are different debate is a phony invention from those who fail to grasp the original conversation was Aramaic not Greek.

 

[Elin]

The rock with which Christ distinguished peter had nothing to do with Rome - it was a well known rock platform on which a pagan temple was built in Caesarea Phillipi, and
he was contrasting that his church would be built on his rock Peter, not the rock over there... But then that is
the problem with sola scriptura , it lacks the historical, geographic, and tradition foundations needed to interpret it,

That is merely conjecture on your part.
Without the text stating so, you have no basis for asserting that is its meaning.

Or it could mean:

"Thou art Peter (petros, small rock) and on this rock (petra, Christ of 1Co 10:4; Ro 9:33; 1Pe 2:8; Eph 2:20), I will build my church."

At least that meaning has a Scriptural basis.

so net result is thousands of denominations post reformation as all got to make their own interpretations up. But on this, they have drifted so far they no longer even agree with Luther and Calvin who both thought peter was special.
Now anything goes in designer Christianity it seems - where people make doctrine conform to their likes, not the other way round, then cherry picking scripture out of context to try to avoid established cinterpretations. The whole Petra / petros are different debate is a phony invention from those who fail to grasp the original conversation was Aramaic not Greek.

 

[Galahad]

The rock with which Christ distinguished peter had nothing to do with Rome - it was a well known rock platform on which a pagan temple was built in Caesarea Phillipi, and he was contrasting that his church would be built on his rock Peter, not the rock over there... But then that is the problem with sola scriptura , it lacks the historical, geographic, and tradition foundations needed to interpret it, so net result is thousands of denominations post reformation as all got to make their own interpretations up. But on this, they have drifted so far they no longer even agree with Luther and Calvin who both thought peter was special.
Now anything goes in designer Christianity it seems - where people make doctrine conform to their likes, not the other way round, then cherry picking scripture out of context to try to avoid established cinterpretations. The whole Petra / petros are different debate is a phony invention from those who fail to grasp the original conversation was Aramaic not Greek.

Ding. Ding. Now read Fred James post. Open your eyes.

Let's get to this, okay. Why should anyone believe your pope?

 

[Galahad]

Ding. Ding. Now read Fred James post. Open your eyes.

Let's get to this, okay. Why should anyone believe your pope?

Here's what I was responding to. It is from James. Then mikeuk jumps in with the post above. Amazing. "The vatican church in Rome itself is built 'upon' Apostle Peter's grave. Can you see how the Roman catholic church was 'physically' built upon Apostle Peter's grave, the rock, as to in a way, seem to fulfill the justification of CHRIST."

 

[Vernon]

The first misunderstanding is the title of this thread: Catholics are christian, have been for 2,000yrs of history.

 

[DedZed]

The first misunderstanding is the title of this thread: Catholics are christian, have been for 2,000yrs of history.

yep

Christians have enough on our plates, worst thing you can do is denounce the largest group of them. Don't forget the Catholic and Orthodox churches still hold and know and revere a lot of real knowledge that most Protestants have never heard of.

 

[MarcR]

I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

1 Ti 2:3-6
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
KJV

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Here is foundation for sola scriptura, and for rejection of the priesthood and the pope.

Ac 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
KJV

Repentance must precede baptism! Baptism means immersion!

Here is foundation for the lack of infant baptism.


My problems with the RCC include every departure from literal interpretation of Scripture (Too many to list)

 

[Jackson123]

I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

I don't think it is misunderstanding. It is just different believe.

Example sola scriptura.

Believe every thing in the system must base on the bible.

Than every body have his own choice, If you do not believe this system than you are not consider protestant

No body force you to believe it, but I encourage you to investigate deeply.

Tradition believe in purgatory, it is not what apostle teach. If there is purgatory, why the apostle not mention at all.

did apostle doesn't love his member, how about people that have love one in purgatory, no body pray for them because no body know that there is purgatory because apostle not teach them.

If there is, the gospel writer must wrote it, they love his member, they must remain them to pray for they love one there.

 

[mikeuk]

That is merely conjecture on your part.
Without the text stating so, you have no basis for asserting that is its meaning.

Or it could mean:

"Thou art Peter (petros, small rock) and on this rock (petra, Christ of 1Co 10:4; Ro 9:33; 1Pe 2:8; Eph 2:20), I will build my church."

At least that meaning has a Scriptural basis.

No it cannot mean that. The conversation took place in Aramaic which recognises no such distinction in gender. Rock and peter are the same , and your interpretation does not make grammatical sense either, the location in Caesarea Phillipi can be visited to this day.

 

[Jackson123]

I don't think it is misunderstanding. It is just different believe.

Example sola scriptura.

Believe every thing in the system must base on the bible.

Than every body have his own choice, If you do not believe this system than you are not consider protestant

No body force you to believe it, but I encourage you to investigate deeply.

Tradition believe in purgatory, it is not what apostle teach. If there is purgatory, why the apostle not mention at all.

did apostle doesn't love his member, how about people that have love one in purgatory, no body pray for them because no body know that there is purgatory because apostle not teach them.

If there is, the gospel writer must wrote it, they love his member, they must remain them to pray for they love one there.

I have to remind you brother, I don't hate or offend you. But I really believe only if you follow the bible and not tradition, will bring you to heaven.

Most people believe if you love other, don't hurt they felling. It is true. but some time to tell the true hurting other.

When I was about 8 years old, my parent teach me not to eat candy, it will damage the teeth. I like candy, I don't agree with my parent, I think he hate me.