Misconceptions about the Bible.

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Ahh...Look! It's the Christmas scene. Jesus in a Stable, laying in a Manger!

Well, maybe half-right......

A Barn? A Cave? The bible does not mention any of these three places in connection with Christ's birth, only a Manger.

Scripture simply reports that they laid Jesus in a Manger because there was no room for Him in the "guest room"--say what?, what happened to the Inn? Well the greek word used in scripture is "Kataluma", and that can be translated guest chamber, lodging place, or Inn. But when we look at the only other time this word is used in the New Testament, it means a furnished, large, upper story room within a private house. It is translated "Guest Chamber" ...Not, Inn. Mark 14:14-15.

According to the Bible archaeology experts, Jesus was probably born in the house of relatives, but outside [Under] the normal living and guest quarters.
 
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Tintin said:
They didn't have to be three complete 24-hour days to be considered three days in that culture.
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the misconception and misinterpretation is in does not mean within and that on the third day He rose again is wrong - wincam
 
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slave said:
Ahh...Look! It's the Christmas scene. Jesus in a Stable, laying in a Manger!

Well, maybe half-right......

A Barn? A Cave? The bible does not mention any of these three places in connection with Christ's birth, only a Manger.

Scripture simply reports that they laid Jesus in a Manger because there was no room for Him in the "guest room"--say what?, what happened to the Inn? Well the greek word used in scripture is "Kataluma", and that can be translated guest chamber, lodging place, or Inn. But when we look at the only other time this word is used in the New Testament, it means a furnished, large, upper story room within a private house. It is translated "Guest Chamber" ...Not, Inn. Mark 14:14-15.

According to the Bible archaeology experts, Jesus was probably born in the house of relatives, but outside [Under] the normal living and guest quarters.
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If I were a farmer and ran out of room in my house, but relatives need a place to stay, I'm thinking "the barn." (Of course, with pregnant-bursting-at-the-seams relative, I'd probably give them my bedroom and put a plastic tarp over the sheets, but that's me.)

If I were a normal 21st century American, I'd have them stay in the garage (with a heater, if need be.)

Since the travels between Joseph's family and Joseph in Egypt included the concept of "inn," but it was really a shelter for animals, isn't it likely Mary and Joe were given the same space as animals? (Granted, OT is in Hebrew, and NT is mostly Greek, so maybe the words were different.)
 
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wincam said:
the misconception and misinterpretation is in does not mean within and that on the third day He rose again is wrong - wincam
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p_rehbein

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Tintin said:
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you obviously did not understand what he said when he said what he said not understanding that you wouldn't understand what he said when he said what he said without understanding
 
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p_rehbein said:
you obviously did not understand what he said when he said what he said not understanding that you wouldn't understand what he said when he said what he said without understanding
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Agree. .....
 
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Tintin said:
They didn't have to be three complete 24-hour days to be considered three days in that culture.
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Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

I have a question concerning the 24 hr thing.
If There culture didn't consider a day to be 24 hrs, then how many actual days did it take God to create the heavens, earth, and all that is in it? 3 and 1/2 days?
And why isn't anyone answering my night question? It keeps going back to the day issue.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a day was from 6 in the morning to 6 in the evening, and then it was night, which went from 6 in the evening to 6 in the morning.
Jesus said 3 days and 3 nights, and if He died after the ninth hour, then that day was shot, so it didn't start until that night.
It use to be when I would look for something, say in the frig, and if it was in a different container than what I thought it was in, I would be looking right at it and never see it.
Those who can't accept this simple truth that someone screwed up on the number of days between Jesus' death and ascension are like someone missing something that is looking them right in their face.
Or, it could be what Jesus said about the Pharisees, Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words [or the truth]: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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p_rehbein said:
you obviously did not understand what he said when he said what he said not understanding that you wouldn't understand what he said when he said what he said without understanding
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Mr. See owned a saw. And Mr. Soar owned a seesaw.

Now, See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw before Soar saw See, which made Soar sore.

Had Soar seen See's saw before See sawed Soar's seesaw, See's saw would not have sawed Soar's seesaw.

So, See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw. But it was sad to see Soar so sore just because See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw. :cool:
 
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1) that certain people think see saws are in th bible :D

2) that there were 3 wise men - we know there was more than one but it doesn't say how many.

3) that the wise men visited Jesus the night he was born in the stable, the bible said they went to a house, also it was more than likely Jesus was a toddler by then. Herod enquired when they had first seen the star and based on this he arranged for male children under two to be put to death.

4) that cleanliness is next to godliness is a verse from the bible.



Matthew 2:11 NKJV
[11] And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.


Matthew 2:16 NKJV
[16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.
 
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Jeff_56 said:
there is too much error here to properly correct it, not just in the information here, but in the environment (gentile unbelievers).

however, I think it was addressed shortly in a few other threads, and if

here or elsewhere, in yahweh's WORD, you seek from ABBA the TRUTH, and keep seeking, he will show you, if he wants to. (he is the one who decides).
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Jeff,

I agree with much of what you say on the forum. I also agree that much insight is gleaned from Synagogue training in language and culture.

I disagree strongly when you link the words gentile and unbeliever. It happens to be the case, in our time, that the vast majority of believers are gentile. They have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth; and that is His role not yours. Boasting yourself as somehow superior is un-Scriptural, unloving and wrong in every way.

If you adopt the attitude that God loves the gentile believers at least as much as he loves you; you will become far more useful to Him.
 
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Jeff,

I agree with much of what you say on the forum. I also agree that much insight is gleaned from Synagogue training in language and culture.

I disagree strongly when you link the words gentile and unbeliever. It happens to be the case, in our time, that the vast majority of believers are gentile. They have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth; and that is His role not yours. Boasting yourself as somehow superior is un-Scriptural, unloving and wrong in every way.

If you adopt the attitude that God loves the gentile believers at least as much as he loves you; you will become far more useful to Him.


Arrogance and feelings of superiority of Jewish believers toward gentile believers caused Peter to be rebuked by Paul; and is also addressed in Romans chapter 10.
 
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There are NO MISCONCEPTIONS about the Bible for those Led of the Spirit. carnal man in his/her carnal understanding MAKE MISCONCEPTIONS out of the Word of God.. where there IS NO MISCONCEPTIONS. thus the confusion, division, heresies, false teachings etc......... No Misconceptions at all..... according to His Elect and the Spirit of Truth which leads and teaches them.. sorry...
 
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I think that's the point of this thread :)
 
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Question for the OP I saw recently while studying/preparing for a message that I had read but not "seen" before.

How many Thieves were crucified with Jesus? We always see 3 crosses, but I do not think that is accurate.
Here is why is say this and I am open to correction if I am wrong.

Matthew 27.38-44 says 2 as well, but in verse 44, we again see that those who were crucified with him also insulted him.

Mark 15.27-32 says 2,
one on the right and one on the left, but also repeats Isaiah 53.12 and that he was numbered with the transgressors

It also say in Mark 15.32 that the others that were crucified with him.


Luke 23.32-43 tells us 2, one rebuked him and the other repented and mentions nothing else.

The Gospel of John does not record the thieves who were crucified with him.

If there were only 2 robbers, then based on what Matt 27.44 and Mark 15.32 says, the repentant theif mocked Jesus, then repented!?!

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Were there more than 2 that were crucified with Jesus that day? while to his immediate left and right were 2 robbers and one repented and the unrepentant thief did not. Could it be that the unrepentant thief and "others that were crucified with him" hurled insults and mocked Jesus?

We know the word does not contradict itself, so were there were more than 3 crucified that day?
Or did the repentant robber mock first then repent?

I studied out this and there is historical basis that up to 10 could be crucified a day, but nothing really concrete.

Thoughts?
 
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Bowhunter2394 said:
There are NO MISCONCEPTIONS about the Bible for those Led of the Spirit. carnal man in his/her carnal understanding MAKE MISCONCEPTIONS out of the Word of God.. where there IS NO MISCONCEPTIONS. thus the confusion, division, heresies, false teachings etc......... No Misconceptions at all..... according to His Elect and the Spirit of Truth which leads and teaches them.. sorry...
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your missing the point bow....he is asking if we have said things and assumed things that are never stated in the Bible.

The garden of Eden does not say apple, it says fruit

Jonah does not say whale, but great fish.

It is New Jeruslaem that has streets like transparent Gold not Heaven.

Things like that.
 
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Bowhunter2394 said:
There are NO MISCONCEPTIONS about the Bible for those Led of the Spirit. carnal man in his/her carnal understanding MAKE MISCONCEPTIONS out of the Word of God.. where there IS NO MISCONCEPTIONS. thus the confusion, division, heresies, false teachings etc......... No Misconceptions at all..... according to His Elect and the Spirit of Truth which leads and teaches them.. sorry...
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I basically agree with you; however; most of us have not yet acquired the self discipline to be Spirit led at all times.

Among people who show definite evidences of both Spiritual fruit and love of the brethren; there are doctrinal differences and misunderstandings. Spiritual rebirth should begin a process of Spiritual growth and discipleship. During that process many misconceptions are corrected, and many persist until quite late in our Christian walk.
 
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There are many misconceived ideas about what actually took place in the bible.

For example, many believe that Adam and Eve ate an apple, when the bible doesn't say.
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No, it says "fruit," which was probably -- by the greatest of guesswork -- a pomegranate.

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Or that Jesus died on Friday and was raised on Sunday. How do you get three days and nights out of that. My wife figured that one out when she was just 6 years of age.
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She wasn't raised in the first-century Mideastern culture, where a part of a day was considered a day. Example: We're traders in ancient Jerusalem. At the third hour (9 AM) on Monday, I ask you to deliver 100 ephahs of wheat to me "in three days." If you agree, you must deliver them by sundown Wednesday, as that is my expectation, as a first-century tradesman in the Mideast, of three days.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out where all these US Presidents are getting the idea that God said "all men are created equal" ????? lol
 
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Viligant_Warrior said:
No, it says "fruit," which was probably -- by the greatest of guesswork -- a pomegranate.

She wasn't raised in the first-century Mideastern culture, where a part of a day was considered a day. Example: We're traders in ancient Jerusalem. At the third hour (9 AM) on Monday, I ask you to deliver 100 ephahs of wheat to me "in three days." If you agree, you must deliver them by sundown Wednesday, as that is my expectation, as a first-century tradesman in the Mideast, of three days.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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You are correct; but if I say: Hold them for 3 nights and three days and deliver them on the third day; the expected delivery gets moved to Thursday.
 
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