Christians that have demons

microscoped · May 8, 2015

You sure take things serious. I was kidding. Is there not a healing ministry? In the healing ministry is the healing of the body soul and spirit. Casting out demons that are keeping the believer in torment and depression does that not heal the soul. Casting out a demon that attacks ones body because of self hatred does that not heal the body? Does not an exorcist travel as an evangelist throughout the world? I have traveled to quatemala mexico and all over the US to cast out demons. The church for the most part does not cast out demons. I ask you to call ten churches and tell me how many do exorcisms in your area just open the phone book and call ten. Please do this and then tell me the exorcism ministry is not needed

ember · May 8, 2015

you were, eh?

I really couldn't tell...next time kindly use an emoticon...a haha face or something

I can't read expression online

You have been quite prickly at times, so I don't think I stretched things but I apologize but it's up to the poster to express themslef clearly

But the ministry of deliverance does not exist in the Bible

People are more ignorant about the devil in most cases, then the so called ignorant people 2000 years ago

Joshua_Generation · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

I hold to the word of God bro, you make a mockery out of it. You do not study to show yourself approved, you use the term possession, which is not found in the original languages anywhere, you declare to others they will never have your gifts, which goes directly against the word of God. You are using a passage of scripture out of context to fought the enemy with, and you go looking for deliverance opportunities. You are a self called, self professed demon hunter and are in serious deep deception.

Bro, You error is not understanding something very crucial to the overall picture. A demon will never state that Jesus is Lord or Savior, but they know he came in the flesh. Scripture shows this to you in black , white and red, yet you do as other demon hunters and suggest otherwise. By stating a son or daughter of God can be totally possessed[sprit, soul and body] you tell the world what Jesus did on the cross was not good enough.

Joshua_Generation · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Keep on tap dancing around the word bro. If you cannot understand the context of 1 John 4.1-3 and use that to justify your "exorcisms", it is no surprise you cannot understand the verses I gave you.

Typical of self called demon guys like you, you will not stand on the word and you claim it means others things. Because your ministry is not planted on the word, you are in deep deception. You base your self called ministries on deliverance books, deliverance resources and so called deliverance ministry leaders that were already in the ditch on doctrine.

Joshua_Generation · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father, not living in your spirit. Jesus time is finished on the earth, the Holy Ghost is at work on the earth now. Come on man, this is Bible 101 stuff, any real evangelist would know.

When you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and Believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, the Holy Spirit comes into you.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not needed for salvation or some sort of whacked doctrine that protects your from possession/demonization.

The disciples received the Holy Ghost within in John 20 and they received him upon in Acts 2.

The spirit within is for fruit/character
The spirit upon is for service/power

PeterJens · May 8, 2015

I hate to point this out, but using demons to testify of anything is simply stupid. I have been told Satan has tactics that I do not understand. Woa. The biggest tactic is using him and his minions to define truth, because funnily enough he will bury a lie in amongst all the stuff that sounds fine.

Paul had to cast a spirit out of woman who was bothering them. Acts 16:17-18
She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” [SUP] [/SUP]She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

Now if a spirit does not respond to your command, either it is not a demon, or you do not have the authority.
If you do not know what it is, why are you involved in the first place.

Now for those more experienced in such occurences, how did you know you were dealing with a possesion and how did your ideas of theology change because of what happened.

I have never had to deal with a possession, but all the times a demon appears to have been near calling on Jesus has changed everything. This is also true of a friend whose ex-wife was into spiritualism and he had a demon encounter.

If you are looking for discernment as to whether a demon is present, I would suggest it is not.

Joshua_Generation · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Tell me this, where in the Bible do you see that anyone had a stand alone, specialized, deliverance ministry, that focused ONLY on delivering people from evil spirits and demons. This stand alone ministry is not Biblical at all.

I find it disturbing that so called deliverance ministers make themselves an Island unto themselves. I will remind you bro, that Lucifer became an Island unto himself as well.

Exorcism ministry unto itself is not needed, because every son and daughter of God has been given the power and authority and use of the name of Jesus to step on serpents and scorpions. This is proven with the 12 and the 70 Jesus sent out.

You seem to be rejoicing that the spirits are subject to you, but Jesus said not to do that. He said to rejoice that your name is recorded in heaven. Luke 10.20 completely and utterly refutes anyone that says they are strictly a deliverance minister.
Jesus never placed dealing with devils as the only single, highest priority in the kingdom.

This is how I know you are in deep deception, because most if not all you have stated goes directly against the word of God.

microscoped · May 8, 2015

Joshua_Generation said:

Show me where I said others will not have my gifts. I do not go looking. The last exorcism I did was a couple years ago. Exorcisms were a big part of what I did when i was in ministry. Also dealing with people with mpd. If you look at what i posted about testing the spirits i was referring to dealing with people with mpd. If you do not know if you are dealing with an alter or a demon you must test them. Mostly you can discern. However the test is sometimes for the alter to show them that it is a demon and needs cast out. Like i said that post could lead into a bunch of other threads. Right now I am out of season. I never said a child of God can be fully possessed can you show me where I said that? Rarely will you ever see someone fully possessed as the gadarene was. These people are mainly locked away in institutions that will not let people in that cast out demons. If they would they would go out of business

ember · May 8, 2015

If most so called demon busters would actually know what they were dealing with, they would back off in a hurry

As it is, they are led down a never ending downward spiraling avenue of deception...the wretched demons play with them

There is no emphasis on demons in scripture...the emphasis is on our standing in Christ Jesus and in His victory over the devil and all powers

The problem is, many are handling fake currency and the evil spirits happily support them

If a person actually comes to the understanding you cannot believe a single word they say, it changes everything

STOP talking to them ... they lie about everything all the time

The demons answered Jesus because they could not evade Him...however, I don't recall but one place where He asked their name...you can't control them...the moment you enter into conversation with one...if it is an actual demon...it already has you deceived

ember · May 8, 2015

someone should start a thread on alters...that would be interesting...but not here...its mucked up enough already

microscoped · May 8, 2015

Joshua_Generation said:

Where exactly does it say that when you get saved the Holy Spirit comes in. He comes in fully when you ate baptized in the Holy Spirit. I don't get your john 20 reference to receiving the Holy Spirit.

microscoped · May 8, 2015

PeterJens said:

I hate to point this out, but using demons to testify of anything is simply stupid. I have been told Satan has tactics that I do not understand. Woa. The biggest tactic is using him and his minions to define truth, because funnily enough he will bury a lie in amongst all the stuff that sounds fine.

Paul had to cast a spirit out of woman who was bothering them. Acts 16:17-18
She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” [SUP] [/SUP]She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

Now if a spirit does not respond to your command, either it is not a demon, or you do not have the authority.
If you do not know what it is, why are you involved in the first place.

Now for those more experienced in such occurences, how did you know you were dealing with a possesion and how did your ideas of theology change because of what happened.

I have never had to deal with a possession, but all the times a demon appears to have been near calling on Jesus has changed everything. This is also true of a friend whose ex-wife was into spiritualism and he had a demon encounter.

If you are looking for discernment as to whether a demon is present, I would suggest it is not.

So since Jesus had command a spirit to leave and it didn't did he not have the power or authority if you command one to leave that is holding onto a persons sin that they have not gotten rid of yet it will not leave till that sin is confessed and then it can be cast out. Not one person who Jesus cast demons from was unrepentant of there sin.

microscoped · May 8, 2015

Joshua_Generation said:

Tell me this, where in the Bible do you see that anyone had a stand alone, specialized, deliverance ministry, that focused ONLY on delivering people from evil spirits and demons. This stand alone ministry is not Biblical at all.

I find it disturbing that so called deliverance ministers make themselves an Island unto themselves. I will remind you bro, that Lucifer became an Island unto himself as well.

Exorcism ministry unto itself is not needed, because every son and daughter of God has been given the power and authority and use of the name of Jesus to step on serpents and scorpions. This is proven with the 12 and the 70 Jesus sent out.

You seem to be rejoicing that the spirits are subject to you, but Jesus said not to do that. He said to rejoice that your name is recorded in heaven. Luke 10.20 completely and utterly refutes anyone that says they are strictly a deliverance minister.
Jesus never placed dealing with devils as the only single, highest priority in the kingdom.

This is how I know you are in deep deception, because most if not all you have stated goes directly against the word of God.

I never said exorcisms were my only ministry. Never once. A deliverance minister does more than that. Like I have said my main ministry was to women who had been sexually abused. Many of whom did in fact have demons from this but the biggest part was ministering healing to there broken hearts

microscoped · May 8, 2015

Joshua_Generation said:

Before you continue in your tirade please answer the following. This will determine to me if this conversation is worth keeping. Do you know how to handle a 60 year old woman who grew up in church. Went to church every time the doors were opened loves Jesus and has asked him into her heart, but at home her father and uncle were raping her? she went to a catholic school that was into witchcraft and was forced at the age of nine to sacrifice her best friend and at the age of eleven brought home two children to play knowing not to and the father killed them and blamed her? This is an actual case I dealt with years ago. If you do not know where to start in the healing and the demons that are more than likely present which you do not. And don't act like maybe you do and I don't know. If you can not deal with this case successfully without doing harm don't you think you could use some deliverance training yourself?

PeterJens · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Let us quote correctly. The apostles could not cast out the demon of a boy who threw himself on the fire. Jesus did and said some spirits could only be cast out with prayer and fasting ie spiritual preparation. Mark 9:29

Matt 8:28-32
Jesus cast demons out of the men in the tombs into the pigs, and no one repented.
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes,[SUP][c][/SUP] two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. [SUP]29 [/SUP]“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” [SUP]30 [/SUP]Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. [SUP]31 [/SUP]The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

So your proposition is wrong. I suggest you write down your beliefs and then look at the passages you claim that support you ideas and see if you are right. Your simple answer to me was not, which is not a good start.

The other point about the boy who was thrown into the fire, it was obvious he was possessed, it was just a problem of getting him free of it. I was making the point if you did not know if a spirit was involved, it probably was not.

PeterJens · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Let us break this down a bit. You are talking PTSD, shock, trauma, the lowest place a human being can go. I would say demons are the least of someones worries in this situation.
I would also be suspicious of the details being told of events. You are talking murder, abuse, and this person being a murderer themselves. This is very unusual, and almost no-one would have come across such a situation.

I wonder about you and how you ever got involved with such a strange series of situations and events. You may have been to hell and back, but already you are out of most peoples normal lives. The people I have met with similar badges of office, have been on the verge of a nervous breakdown or where liars and exaguraters or as confused as the people they claimed to be helping. The other point I would make is using these experiences still does not make your approach right, it just means you have got really involved in a difficult place and done what seemed appropriate.

What are you trying to prove though or get across?

microscoped · May 8, 2015

PeterJens said:

Let us break this down a bit. You are talking PTSD, shock, trauma, the lowest place a human being can go. I would say demons are the least of someones worries in this situation.
I would also be suspicious of the details being told of events. You are talking murder, abuse, and this person being a murderer themselves. This is very unusual, and almost no-one would have come across such a situation.

I wonder about you and how you ever got involved with such a strange series of situations and events. You may have been to hell and back, but already you are out of most peoples normal lives. The people I have met with similar badges of office, have been on the verge of a nervous breakdown or where liars and exaguraters or as confused as the people they claimed to be helping. The other point I would make is using these experiences still does not make your approach right, it just means you have got really involved in a difficult place and done what seemed appropriate.

What are you trying to prove though or get across?

What i am trying to get across I am no ordinary deliverance minister. These cases are Few and far between but the norm for the most part of what God sends me. It takes someone trained and called for this. Someone with the passion to see this healing through.

microscoped · May 8, 2015

PeterJens said:

Let us quote correctly. The apostles could not cast out the demon of a boy who threw himself on the fire. Jesus did and said some spirits could only be cast out with prayer and fasting ie spiritual preparation. Mark 9:29

Matt 8:28-32
Jesus cast demons out of the men in the tombs into the pigs, and no one repented.
When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes,[SUP][c][/SUP] two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. [SUP]29 [/SUP]“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” [SUP]30 [/SUP]Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. [SUP]31 [/SUP]The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

So your proposition is wrong. I suggest you write down your beliefs and then look at the passages you claim that support you ideas and see if you are right. Your simple answer to me was not, which is not a good start.

The other point about the boy who was thrown into the fire, it was obvious he was possessed, it was just a problem of getting him free of it. I was making the point if you did not know if a spirit was involved, it probably was not.

My point of this was none of the healed were said to have unrepentant sin they would not get away from. Also in many cases the prayer is point specific prayer. Praying about unforgiveness getting rid of soul ties and the like.

ember · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

11In him we were also chosen,[SUP]e[/SUP] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation.When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

ember · May 8, 2015

microscoped said:

Neither did we. We simply repeated your very own statement wherein you claimed to be a deliverance minister

You did not state it was part of a larger ministry...you referred to it as a stand alone

Are you now changing your statement...let's be clear because you appear to be stating things somewhat differently now

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