Loving Yourself Thread

[jsr1221]

Just wanted to share something from one of my favorite childhood shows:

"I love you,
You love me
We're a happy family
With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you
Won't you say you love me too"


Sorry, just couldn't resist. Lol

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When my nephew was younger we had Barney on for him. He walked up to the TV, and when he saw Barney, he punched the TV and yelled "NO BARNEY!" I guess he doesn't like Barney. Haha. It was so hard not to laugh. Your post reminded me of it and got me to smile so I thank you for that dear sister!

 

[Sirk]

I said we are nothing and Christ is everything. They are words that are expressed at the heart of Scripture.

For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself (Galatians 6:3).

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Philippians 4:13).

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (Colossians 3:17).

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom beglory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:36).

We are "nothing"? Seems the opposite of what God said when he created adam and eve....He said it was good.....not nothing.

 

[Jason0047]

And you're misinterpreting what I am saying. I never said you weren't loving. I haven't said anything negative to you. In fact, I've stood up for you when people were making sarcastic and rude remarks to you. My point is that your method doesn't work for everyone. We are like teachers. Not everyone learns the same way. For me, I need to visualize things in school. A lot of note taking. Others aren't like that. So a teacher adapts his/her style and tries to help everyone. Our methods as Christians calls for spreading the Gospel, but it also calls to love and encourage those that might not understand the Gospel. Or might be afraid. If someone had a dad that abused her/him all her/his life, why would you think the story of the ultimate Father would want to make the person a Christian? Especially when you tell the person about hell. That person would resent God and would think of God the same way as the Earthly dad. You've got to stop holding the Bible all the time, and start being understanding to people. Jesus didn't walk around with a Bible. He spread messages to the worst of the worst of the worst. He wasn't a legalist. It's time we stop that and start going at it as understanding what the person is going through. I'm not accusing you that you're not. But there's a reason why only you know what you are talking about, and the rest of us don't. It's the students failing all the tests, and the professor having to see what he is doing wrong and having to see if there is a way he can better adjust his teaching methods.

What post or posts did you think I did wrong in the things that you are talking about?

 

[Sirk]

What post did you think I did wrong in such as the example as you speak?

I think about 99% of em.....why don't you just pick one....odds are you'll pick the right one.

 

[jsr1221]

I said we are nothing and Christ is everything.

How is this different from what I just said? That you said there is nothing good about us. Like really how is that different?

 

[Gr8grace]

I yield to God working in me and I do not believe I do the work. Hence, why I do not believe in Works Salvationism. God does the work. Not me. Also, my impression is from most OSAS proponents is that they condone a sin and still be saved belief. Some have tried to deny it but when pushed on the issue, it is indeed what man of them believe. For a person is going to do works regardless in their life. Is one's works going to be evil or good? Jesus said we will know a tree by it's fruit. So if the fruit of God is not present in a believer's life then how can God be living in them?

ok. So if it is Him working in you. Christ fails if you lose your salvation.

 

[Jason0047]

How is this different from what I just said? That you said there is nothing good about us. Like really how is that different?

In and of ourselves outside of Christ we are not good. Only God is good. Yes, Christ said the world can love it's own. But that is not the love of God, though. Only in Christ can a person truly have real love. Only in Christ can a person have true goodness and righteousness.

 

[jsr1221]

What post or posts did you think I did wrong in the things that you are talking about?

All of them. You're not saying anything wrong but you are going about it the wrong way. Everything isn't black and white, and that's what your posts have been. I don't know how much more clearer I can be. I'm ready to just quit having this discussion.

 

[Jason0047]

ok. So if it is Him working in you. Christ fails if you lose your salvation.

You still have free will to choose to abide with Christ or not to abide with Christ. When a person chooses to abide with Christ, they will yield to Christ working in them. It's a choice of choosing Jesus and then Jesus moves in your life. Read Ezekiel 36:26-27, Philippians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 15:10.

 

[Utah]

hiccup hiccup hiccup

 

[Sirk]

In and of ourselves outside of Christ we are not good. Only God is good. Yes, Christ said the world can love it's own. But that is not the love of God, though. Only in Christ can a person truly have real love. Only in Christ can a person have true goodness and righteousness.

The problem is that "in Christ" doesn't necessarily equate to walking around with your bible, constantly smacking people over the head with it, with a license plate bumper sticker and a tattoo that say I am the best friend of a Jewish carpenter and a big flashing red 50 billion lumens neon sign flashing in peoples eyes constantly reminding them that if thyre not walking in Christ's perfect love it must be their fault.

 

[Jason0047]

All of them. You're not saying anything wrong but you are going about it the wrong way. Everything isn't black and white, and that's what your posts have been. I don't know how much more clearer I can be. I'm ready to just quit having this discussion.

Most of my posts include Scripture. So it is not anything that I am saying that is offending anyone, but it is the Word of God. We are on a Bible discussion section on a Christian forum. If folks do not want to see or discuss God's Word, or if they get offended at a quote from God's Word, then they are in the wrong place. I say that not to get anyone upset, but I say that in love with the truth.

 

[JFSurvivor]

First, whether your intentions were pure or not, I reject the negative things you say about my personal life in the name of Jesus Christ. Second, nobody told me anyone was having suicidal thoughts here and or that they were thinking of committing suicide. Folks just started jumping all over me as if I should automatically know about their person's life. If they don't tell me their situation I cannot be judged for something they do not tell me. If they tell me something false about God's Word, I have a Biblical right to correct them according to God's Word (2 TImothy 3:16). Also, as for prayer. Yes, many do suffer in this life and yes, perhaps many of them have prayed to be delivered. But you fail to understand that it is not in just praying once or twice. It is about constantly trusting in the Lord by faith that they will be delivered, asking with no doubt and preserving in their prayer. For they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength....

Do you believe Scripture?

Many prayers are answered.

I believe God can stop all pain and suffering at any point. But things happen for a reason. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. He was thrown into prison. But the evil his brothers intended against Joseph, God intended it for good. The same can be said for Job, too. For all things work together for good to those that love God.

Yes, there are people who suffer, and yes there are people who want to end their lives, but telling them the truth of God's Word is going to lead them to Christ and not push them away unless they do not want to receive His message. For Jesus stands at the door of everyone's heart and desires to come in.

*bangs head on desk*

ok lemme spell it out for you

Suicidal person: I'm sucidal
Christian: Beat it with Jesus
Suicidal person: ok *prays and reads Bible and really believes that God will save them but nothing happens* Why isn't anything happening...I did everything right...
Christian: Maybe you just don't have enough faith
Suicidal person: There must be something wrong with me. I must be a bad person if Jesus answered your prayers but not mine. I don't deserve to live. God doesn't love me. *goes and sticks a knife in abdomen*
Christian: *stands and watches* killing yourself is a sin.
Suicidal person: *gasping for air*
Christian: It's murder.
Suicidal person: *dies*

I know that was an exaggeration but it's not too far from reality because that is almost what happened with me. Now would your first priority in that situation be to get that person to a better state of mind or to tell them the cold hard truth?

 

[Utah]

Phil,

You keep being Phil. Religious christianity says we have to be "sweet and nice" and all of our vocabulary has to be just so.

If people are reading between the lines, the poster you got after is saying to all of us the same thing you said bluntly.

His is just under the guise of "sweet and nice." You don't scare me with being blunt. It is the one who is a wolf in sheeps clothing that scares me.

You approve of his cowardice, online bravado?

If he spoke to people like that in person he'd be posting from a hospital bed. I'm not impressed.

 

[Gr8grace]

You still have free will to choose to abide with Christ or not to abide with Christ. When a person chooses to abide with Christ, they will yield to Christ working in them. It's a choice of choosing Jesus and then Jesus moves in your life. Read Ezekiel 36:26-27, Philippians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 15:10.

Ok. So it is by our works and yielding. and Not Christ working in us.

 

[JFSurvivor]

The problem is that "in Christ" doesn't necessarily equate to walking around with your bible, constantly smacking people over the head with it, with a license plate bumper sticker and a tattoo that say I am the best friend of a Jewish carpenter and a big flashing red 50 billion lumens neon sign flashing in peoples eyes constantly reminding them that if thyre not walking in Christ's perfect love it must be their fault.

wonderfully said.

 

[Jason0047]

The problem is that "in Christ" doesn't necessarily equate to walking around with your bible, constantly smacking people over the head with it, with a license plate bumper sticker and a tattoo that say I am the best friend of a Jewish carpenter and a big flashing red 50 billion lumens neon sign flashing in peoples eyes constantly reminding them that if thyre not walking in Christ's perfect love it must be their fault.

In all Jesus' teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:17-18; Matthew 8:17;Matthew 12:40-42; Luke 4:18-21; Luke 10:25-28; Luke 15:29-31; Luke 17:32; Luke 24:25-45; John 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” Jesus defeated the devil by using Scripture. For three words, "It is written" was said 3 times by Jesus in Matthew 4:1-11. This is confirmed by Ephesians 6 with how the Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God which is a part of putting on the amor of God so that one can stand against the wiles of the devil (Ephesians 6:11, 16). For the Living Word (Jesus) is like a two edged sword that divides asunder the soul and the spirit because He always speaks the words of God because He is God (Hebrews 4:12).

 

[Sirk]

See, this is something I would never say to someone. If I said this to this girl, I would be torn apart. But because he is saying to me, it is okay (Because people do not like the message of God's Word that I am putting forth). The Word of God is what is offending people here. I did not say anything like this. Nor would I ever do so because I love all people.

The truth is Jason...youre a bully and my dad taught me to stand up to bullies...especially when they pick on others.
And as long as you keep posting your nonsense here, I will treat it how it deserves to be treated and call it what it is.

 

[jsr1221]

Most of my posts include Scripture. So it is not anything that I am saying that is offending anyone, but it is the Word of God. We are on a Bible discussion section on a Christian forum. If folks do not want to see or discuss God's Word, or if they get offended at a quote from God's Word, then they are in the wrong place. I say that not to get anyone upset, but I say that in love with the truth.

No. It's you thinking everyone should suck it up with what they are dealing with but at the same time, remind ourselves we're the scum of the Earth. And with this, I wave the white flag.I can't handle the talking in circles anymore. I don't even know what the original post was. I just can't do this anymore. Goodbye.

 

[JFSurvivor]

No. It's you thinking everyone should suck it up with what they are dealing with but at the same time, remind ourselves we're the scum of the Earth. And with this, I wave the white flag.I can't handle the talking in circles anymore. I don't even know what the original post was. I just can't do this anymore. Goodbye.

woooohooo! *applauds*