The False Doctrine Most Professing Christians are unaware of.
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You didn't say this in your previous post that I agreed with but this one I will, and give you reason for my rejection. If you purposefully reject any of His word then IMO, and according to the words of your mutual Savior, you are rejecting part of His grace also.
Then I disagree with your analogy that some of the word (the Word being Jesus) doesn't apply to your life in Him. I see that as a contradiction for the OT is also the Word = the Savior, but not salvation by itself because the ultimate sacrifice wasn't fulfilled by the OT.
In so stating, you are not agreeing with John 1:1 "in the beginning was the Word." Then the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. That means the Word, being Jesus Himself, was all Jesus, long before the NT was even written. If you believe in only part of Him, then I would have to disagree with your belief system. If only part of Jesus is applicable to my life, then I do not fully believe in Him, for He is the Word of God in a complete form. Nuff said.
Then I disagree with your analogy that some of the word (the Word being Jesus) doesn't apply to your life in Him. I see that as a contradiction for the OT is also the Word = the Savior, but not salvation by itself because the ultimate sacrifice wasn't fulfilled by the OT.
In so stating, you are not agreeing with John 1:1 "in the beginning was the Word." Then the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. That means the Word, being Jesus Himself, was all Jesus, long before the NT was even written. If you believe in only part of Him, then I would have to disagree with your belief system. If only part of Jesus is applicable to my life, then I do not fully believe in Him, for He is the Word of God in a complete form. Nuff said.
Until somebody actually says that the grace God doesn't save us, then what's the beef?
nice question my brethren :happy:
may i add this question
please
``where we can find god's grace from the old testament?``
again pleased reconsidered our humble question
for we are ignorants unto this beef thing ( blush )
this verse from o.t. is one of those words written in the scriptures
keeps us from temptation ( hope we dont said to much ) of the wicked spirits!
Isaiah: 63. 16. For thou art our father, and Abraham hath not known us, and Israel hath been ignorant of us: thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer, from everlasting is thy name.
nice question my brethren :happy:
may i add this question
please
``where we can find god's grace from the old testament?``
again pleased reconsidered our humble question
for we are ignorants unto this beef thing ( blush )
this verse from o.t. is one of those words written in the scriptures
keeps us from temptation ( hope we dont said to much ) of the wicked spirits!
Isaiah: 63. 16. For thou art our father, and Abraham hath not known us, and Israel hath been ignorant of us: thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer, from everlasting is thy name.
True. It's good to see that your agreeing with me. If you think I was insinuating differently, then you misread my original post concerning this. This agrees with the NT in that there is not difference between the Jew and the Greek or Gentile if you will. That was the original intent of my post. One is not above the other and they all lived together by one government under the Almighty God. Until they rebelled of course, but that discussion is for a different time.
K
LOL I'm not actively involved in this discussion but find the posts interesting. Had to laugh at your excellent observation about how the NT didn't exist then and the OT is all Jesus had to quote ..
Yeah I had to laugh to but not for the same reasons, for Jesus did not quote the OT because that is all He had back then.
Jesus is the Word and thus He had the new covenant apart of Him, which is why His teachings are for the new covenant under grace.
Just because it was not in written form does not mean Jesus did not know what the new covenant was or the teachings for it. Jesus brought with Him the new covenant teachings !!!
Exodus 33:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. Psalm 84:11
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
For the Lord God is a sun and shield: the Lord will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly. Psalm 84:11
S
Rejecting even one smidgen of God's word in order to endorse His grace is where division begins, because rejecting certain parts of His given word to us is in actuality rejecting of His grace. This rejection is carnal, for the carnal mind is enmity against God.
Exactly what is it that you think is being rejected?
Exactly what is it that you think is being rejected?
nice post
if we may add this verses too
my breathren
Psalm: 13. 2. The Lord hath looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there be any that understand and seek God. 3. They are all gone aside, they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, no not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre: with their tongues they acted deceitfully; the poison of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and unhappiness in their ways: and the way of peace they have not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes. 4. Shall not all they know that work iniquity, who devour my people as they eat bread ? 5. They have not called upon the Lord: there have they trembled for fear, where there was no fear. 6. For the Lord is in the just generation: you have confounded the counsel of the poor man, but the Lord is his hope.
Isaiah: 51. 8. For the worm shall eat them up as a garment: and the moth shall consume them as wool: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my justice from generation to generation,
godbless us always
thank you very much
if we may add this verses too
my breathren
Psalm: 13. 2. The Lord hath looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there be any that understand and seek God. 3. They are all gone aside, they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, no not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre: with their tongues they acted deceitfully; the poison of asps is under their lips. Their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness; their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and unhappiness in their ways: and the way of peace they have not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes. 4. Shall not all they know that work iniquity, who devour my people as they eat bread ? 5. They have not called upon the Lord: there have they trembled for fear, where there was no fear. 6. For the Lord is in the just generation: you have confounded the counsel of the poor man, but the Lord is his hope.
Isaiah: 51. 8. For the worm shall eat them up as a garment: and the moth shall consume them as wool: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my justice from generation to generation,
godbless us always
thank you very much
As I said, and I'll word it different if you didn't catch it.
In the beginning we might not all agree at all. But if we are a willing participant to learn from others, and share our understanding with others in peaceful conversation, the disagreements will slowly disappear. That's a given, but if we are to grow together we need to not consistently stalemate the process by being "stiff-necked" by contending for our doctrinal issues rather than contending for the faith, which stops edification. As much as I've see in CC that attitude of contending for our own doctrine seems to be the predominant forte from the conversations I've seen.
The Bible clearly tells us to grow. That means we don't know as much in the beginning as we will later, IF we are submissive to hearing the truth of ALL of God's spoken words from each other including the spiritual truth of the OT. Cemented in the true doctrine of Christ doesn't mean we should be cemented by our predetermined mindset, that what God has given us by His grace, is all we are going to listen to. If that is prevalent then we restrict ourselves from growing in His grace for we have determined that we have it all, and there isn't any more. We are to learn from each other, and if we do that we can come together with one mind and one accord as the scriptures exhort us to do.
In the beginning we might not all agree at all. But if we are a willing participant to learn from others, and share our understanding with others in peaceful conversation, the disagreements will slowly disappear. That's a given, but if we are to grow together we need to not consistently stalemate the process by being "stiff-necked" by contending for our doctrinal issues rather than contending for the faith, which stops edification. As much as I've see in CC that attitude of contending for our own doctrine seems to be the predominant forte from the conversations I've seen.
The Bible clearly tells us to grow. That means we don't know as much in the beginning as we will later, IF we are submissive to hearing the truth of ALL of God's spoken words from each other including the spiritual truth of the OT. Cemented in the true doctrine of Christ doesn't mean we should be cemented by our predetermined mindset, that what God has given us by His grace, is all we are going to listen to. If that is prevalent then we restrict ourselves from growing in His grace for we have determined that we have it all, and there isn't any more. We are to learn from each other, and if we do that we can come together with one mind and one accord as the scriptures exhort us to do.
and one more thing my brothers and my fellows
i dont know if this letter
answers the questions from the verses given by our brother @ just-me
a while ago.
Isaiah: 34. 16. Search ye diligently in the book of the Lord, and read: not one of them was wanting, one hath not sought for the other: for that which proceedeth out of my mouth, he hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. 17. And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it to them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation they shall dwell therein.
sorry my breathren but we cant help our selves to
say what weve noticed from that verses
written in the book of exodus
we just notice that there is
a question mark at the end of the two sentences from that scriptures.
Exodus 33:16-17
16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us?
please correct me if im wrong sir
thank you very much
i dont know if this letter
answers the questions from the verses given by our brother @ just-me
a while ago.
Isaiah: 34. 16. Search ye diligently in the book of the Lord, and read: not one of them was wanting, one hath not sought for the other: for that which proceedeth out of my mouth, he hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. 17. And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it to them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation they shall dwell therein.
sorry my breathren but we cant help our selves to
say what weve noticed from that verses
written in the book of exodus
we just notice that there is
a question mark at the end of the two sentences from that scriptures.
Exodus 33:16-17
16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us?
please correct me if im wrong sir
thank you very much
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That's it. If we do as God's commands us by searching "diligently in the book of the Lord, and read" and believe it all is good for our Christian walk with Christ Jesus, we can begin to come together as the church should, and start to agree on the real truth of God, as we grow together in Him. AMEN!
there is a secret there my breathren
but this is not time and
its not for us to determine that
only the lord god our father who is good and doesnt lie
even i couldnt believed that even in the old times
they always `` into`` the scriptures.
perhaps the true word of god was also
written `` into `` the scripturess.
i guess we will also be judged according
to what is written into the book . ... :smoke:
and i never say anything that you were wrong my breathren
just for clarification only.
have a nice day to yah
godbless us all
but this is not time and
its not for us to determine that
only the lord god our father who is good and doesnt lie
even i couldnt believed that even in the old times
they always `` into`` the scriptures.
perhaps the true word of god was also
written `` into `` the scripturess.
i guess we will also be judged according
to what is written into the book . ... :smoke:
and i never say anything that you were wrong my breathren
just for clarification only.
have a nice day to yah
godbless us all
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