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Let's try to nail that error.
2 Peter 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Scoffers did come and still come, denying the Gen 8 flood that wiped out that old world, saying nothing has changed from the beginning of the creation. That's the only connection the passage has to creation week.
2 Peter 3:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Making that refer to the waters covering the earth in Gen 1:1-2 as a flood wiping out an earlier world of life, which some refined to name that a "Pre-Adamite" world of beings from which Adam arose (concocted in 1655 AD) would require skipping over the Gen. 8 destruction of the world by flood except for the Ark and all aboard it. That was not a lesser flood of old, but the only recorded flood killing all but 8 people saved. That yanks the teeth out of the Gap Theory. That's a lesson not to let questionable modern science affect the literal take of the word of God, by the way, like some Christians did in Dake's day.
So now it's time to look at the rest of that context.
2 Peter 3:8-10 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
God has been patient with mankind, but there's no indication he will do that another million years or however a literal take of verse 8 yields, seeing those words were written 2,000 of our years ago. It should be easy to comprehend that as far as God is concerned, that happened a couple of days ago in terms of eternity. It might seem like an eternity to us.
The concept is like when I was 15 years old I thought someone 70 years old was what must be like living a thousand years. But upon reaching 70, it sometimes seems like I was 15 only days ago, being occasionally amazed I am where I didn't think I would be.
If we say the Lord is coming like a thief in the night (unexpected, else a thief couldn't succeed), then we understand that God is patient to come when he is ready to come to judge, sooner or later by our patience or impatience, not when people speculate or outright deny. Let the scoffers say it won't happen since nothing has changed in their minds other than what they choose to retain.
2 Peter 3:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Scoffers did come and still come, denying the Gen 8 flood that wiped out that old world, saying nothing has changed from the beginning of the creation. That's the only connection the passage has to creation week.
2 Peter 3:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Making that refer to the waters covering the earth in Gen 1:1-2 as a flood wiping out an earlier world of life, which some refined to name that a "Pre-Adamite" world of beings from which Adam arose (concocted in 1655 AD) would require skipping over the Gen. 8 destruction of the world by flood except for the Ark and all aboard it. That was not a lesser flood of old, but the only recorded flood killing all but 8 people saved. That yanks the teeth out of the Gap Theory. That's a lesson not to let questionable modern science affect the literal take of the word of God, by the way, like some Christians did in Dake's day.
So now it's time to look at the rest of that context.
2 Peter 3:8-10 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
God has been patient with mankind, but there's no indication he will do that another million years or however a literal take of verse 8 yields, seeing those words were written 2,000 of our years ago. It should be easy to comprehend that as far as God is concerned, that happened a couple of days ago in terms of eternity. It might seem like an eternity to us.
The concept is like when I was 15 years old I thought someone 70 years old was what must be like living a thousand years. But upon reaching 70, it sometimes seems like I was 15 only days ago, being occasionally amazed I am where I didn't think I would be.
If we say the Lord is coming like a thief in the night (unexpected, else a thief couldn't succeed), then we understand that God is patient to come when he is ready to come to judge, sooner or later by our patience or impatience, not when people speculate or outright deny. Let the scoffers say it won't happen since nothing has changed in their minds other than what they choose to retain.
That demonstrates how special the Earth is to God, any star esteemed a lower position. The sun serves as a temporary substitute icon for the true light of the world, Jesus Christ. The sun will be removed as easily as was spoken into existence, replaced by the glorious light of God to resume lighting the New Earth like he did in Gen 1:3
I've worked almost all my working days under the hot sun, which I appreciate above working in the dark of night. However, I will gladly welcome the far greater and kinder light to come.
I've worked almost all my working days under the hot sun, which I appreciate above working in the dark of night. However, I will gladly welcome the far greater and kinder light to come.
E
It would go for any OEC belief. not just gap theory. That is one of the things that changed my mind about the Gap theory.
Actually it started years ago when a little mountain called Mt St Hellens blew its top. Something amazing happened (and i think God had that something in mind when he initiated the blast) Most of the OEC so called proofs (petrified wood. Fossils, Canyon formation, sediment layering etc etc) which they said had to take thousands, or even millions of years. all occurred in just a matter of hours to a few days.
That one event set all this scientific evidence that the earth has to be old into oblivion, Then you add this passage in, And you take the science of aging, and how they age things, that goes out the window (it is based on assumptions the world and radioactive decay are the same today as it was in the beginning)
then you have books like "the genesis flood" "the Earths catastrophic past" and theories like the hydro-plate and the tectonic plate theories, and you actually see that it is not a stretch to just take genesis 1 literally. it is actually possible, and science can actually prove it.
Actually it started years ago when a little mountain called Mt St Hellens blew its top. Something amazing happened (and i think God had that something in mind when he initiated the blast) Most of the OEC so called proofs (petrified wood. Fossils, Canyon formation, sediment layering etc etc) which they said had to take thousands, or even millions of years. all occurred in just a matter of hours to a few days.
That one event set all this scientific evidence that the earth has to be old into oblivion, Then you add this passage in, And you take the science of aging, and how they age things, that goes out the window (it is based on assumptions the world and radioactive decay are the same today as it was in the beginning)
then you have books like "the genesis flood" "the Earths catastrophic past" and theories like the hydro-plate and the tectonic plate theories, and you actually see that it is not a stretch to just take genesis 1 literally. it is actually possible, and science can actually prove it.
After reading along these threads a while longer you should begin realizing most of us are answering the questions and declarations as an opportunity to present the gospel and to deal with false teaching, as well as encourage believers who show they are on the right track. Along the way each of us is like iron sharpened by iron, made sharper, better equipped to minister on ever increasing levels of influence. This is a sounding board for many who dare not ask questions in their own local assemblies, for many pastors dislike questions because they are often generally unprepared to give a spur of the moment reply that might not be accurate. I'm answering some emails from pastors asking what I know about the Pope's statement he will uphold "Canon Law" and Papal authority, nervous that might come up Sunday.
It isn't that we fear about that, but it's a good idea to put inquirers at rest that the Pope has no authority from Heaven to be a high priest over Christians. But of course he takes authority over those who allow that anyway. People want to know.
It isn't that we fear about that, but it's a good idea to put inquirers at rest that the Pope has no authority from Heaven to be a high priest over Christians. But of course he takes authority over those who allow that anyway. People want to know.
Slowly the evolutionist belief in an old earth is being eroded by learning more about those igneous rock facts, like learned from Mt. St. Helens and other lava flows since then that were dated as having happened hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago. A factor that escaped scrutiny was how nuclear isotopes permeated neighboring rocks. Just the fact the great majority of sedimentary rock sometimes miles deep was "plastic" when formed in the flood, then hardened soon, changing the rate of distribution of isotopes. Dating is based on how much parent-daughter isotopes is in a particular sample. When geologists take samples while biased against the possibility of a world-wide flood and all sediments remainig soft enough not to crack when folded into mountains by pressure (from plate tectonics), they interpret data on the assumption the layers of rock were laid down in succession in batches millions of years apart.
Taking such assumptions lead them to put the fossils distributed across eons, yet they are represented in strata in common world wide, were laid down under ideal conditions for lithification (fossil making) fast enough to preserve exquisite soft tissues. A jellyfish washed ashore will not be around long enough to be fossilized intact.
That's why so many of us trained up to believe there were constant cycles of floods deep enough and structured well enough to accomplish that is the way it was, though I find believing Noah's flood much more plausible, one flood doing it all. Looking at the sciences objectively easily confirms a very young earth.
Taking such assumptions lead them to put the fossils distributed across eons, yet they are represented in strata in common world wide, were laid down under ideal conditions for lithification (fossil making) fast enough to preserve exquisite soft tissues. A jellyfish washed ashore will not be around long enough to be fossilized intact.
That's why so many of us trained up to believe there were constant cycles of floods deep enough and structured well enough to accomplish that is the way it was, though I find believing Noah's flood much more plausible, one flood doing it all. Looking at the sciences objectively easily confirms a very young earth.
E
John 1 says in the beginning was the word, and the word was God and was with God.
If we take a low view of the word. we take a low view of God. The bible is Gods letter to his creation, it is him.
on another note. Scripture says to be ready to give an answer in season and out of season. People ask all the time why science seems to contradict the word. I believe God wants us to be able to give an answer. It is sad if one who claims to follow God does not really know God that they can not give an answer.
G
Really?????
You mean to say that all of the Hebrew writers - who wrote all of the Old Testament scriptures - from Genesis to Malachi - right up to ~2300 years ago - knew nothing of a twenty-four hour day? Even if you wish to argue the point of whether a 'day' might be considered 12 hours, 24 hours, 25 hours, etc. is beside the point -- which is - that there is a common usage of the word 'day' that includes both 'light' and 'dark' / 'dark' and 'light'.
You say that the word 'day' ( 'yom' ) is the same throughout all of the Old Testament. Does that mean that - if you are shown even one instance where the word 'day' ( 'yom' ) defines a cycle that includes both 'dark' and 'light' - you will accept the fact that your idea and understanding of this issue concerning the word 'day' in the Old Testament may be in error? ( Even if only "a little bit"...? )
BTW - if there was no understanding of a 24-hour day - then, neither was there an understanding of a 12-hour day - until Jesus indicated it by what he said in John 11:9 - right? Except that, Jesus was simply using one of the common usages of the word in that day - and, partially, to illustrate the point He was making in the statement that He issued directly afterward.
Your only / main dispute in this thread is that there is no definition of the word 'day' that is 'cycle'-based --- am I correct...???
You mean to say that all of the Hebrew writers - who wrote all of the Old Testament scriptures - from Genesis to Malachi - right up to ~2300 years ago - knew nothing of a twenty-four hour day? Even if you wish to argue the point of whether a 'day' might be considered 12 hours, 24 hours, 25 hours, etc. is beside the point -- which is - that there is a common usage of the word 'day' that includes both 'light' and 'dark' / 'dark' and 'light'.
You say that the word 'day' ( 'yom' ) is the same throughout all of the Old Testament. Does that mean that - if you are shown even one instance where the word 'day' ( 'yom' ) defines a cycle that includes both 'dark' and 'light' - you will accept the fact that your idea and understanding of this issue concerning the word 'day' in the Old Testament may be in error? ( Even if only "a little bit"...? )
BTW - if there was no understanding of a 24-hour day - then, neither was there an understanding of a 12-hour day - until Jesus indicated it by what he said in John 11:9 - right? Except that, Jesus was simply using one of the common usages of the word in that day - and, partially, to illustrate the point He was making in the statement that He issued directly afterward.
Your only / main dispute in this thread is that there is no definition of the word 'day' that is 'cycle'-based --- am I correct...???
G
Previous explanation starting at this post in a different thread, followed by more explanatory posts afterward.
Strongs 3117 [ "yome" ] :
from an unused root mean. to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether lit. (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or fig. (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:-age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently. + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
The 'literal' use of the word is one of:
~ from sunrise to sunset ( an 'interval' )
~ from one sunset to the next ( a 'cycle' )
Context determines which...
According to this definition, the [ actual ] true 'literal' meaning of 'yom' is "to be hot" -- not "a period of light"...
Look at the entire definition written out above. Could you possibly imagine that there just might be more than only-one-highly-specific definition for 'day'?
Strongs 3117 [ "yome" ] :
from an unused root mean. to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether lit. (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or fig. (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:-age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently. + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
The 'literal' use of the word is one of:
~ from sunrise to sunset ( an 'interval' )
~ from one sunset to the next ( a 'cycle' )
Context determines which...
According to this definition, the [ actual ] true 'literal' meaning of 'yom' is "to be hot" -- not "a period of light"...
Look at the entire definition written out above. Could you possibly imagine that there just might be more than only-one-highly-specific definition for 'day'?
G
I might be inclined to agree - except for one thing...
The "sense and tense" of the word 'And' at the beginning of any particular verse is based on the context in which it is used -- the surrounding words - before it and after it. It is not the same for all verses.
Genesis 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [SUP]2[/SUP] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [SUP]3[/SUP] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [SUP]4[/SUP] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [SUP]5[/SUP] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [SUP]9[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [SUP]10[/SUP] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]11[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]12[/SUP] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]13[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the third day. [SUP]14[/SUP] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [SUP]15[/SUP] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]16[/SUP] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. [SUP]17[/SUP] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [SUP]18[/SUP] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]19[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21[/SUP] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22[/SUP] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. [SUP]23[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [SUP]24[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [SUP]25[/SUP] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]26[/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27[/SUP] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28[/SUP] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [SUP]29[/SUP] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [SUP]30[/SUP] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [SUP]31[/SUP] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
( For the sake of this post, I am [ for-the-most-part ] only discussing the 'And' words at the beginning of the verses. And, yes - I know the verse numbers were added later... [ yada yada yada ] )
Each color represents a different "sense and tense" of the use of the word in the context of where it is used. Those of the same color have a similar "sense and tense" of the word.
The orange word is not chronologically-based, as you suggest; rather, it is conditionally-based - having to do with the 'status' of the earth ( in the context ). There is no 'active' sense of the word present ( based on the context ). It is only 'passive'.
The green word, however, is chronologically-based - having an 'active' sense of the word present.
The blue word is a little more 'passive' than the green word, but may still be considered to be chronologically-based.
The pink word is 'active'; however, the "sense and tense" of it is that of 'explanation' / 'extension' rather than 'action'.
The purple word is entirely 'passive'. In the context of the use of these words, "simply 'what is' is being stated" regarding the creation events.
The gray word is a 'passive' extension of the previous phrase / statement.
( My use of the words 'active' and 'passive' in the above statements are intended from the overall "sense and tense" of the contextual point-of-view of the verses -- not the specific rules of the contruct of the 'grammar of the language'. )
My apologies if I am not able to explain myself well enough...
I have, in the past, been told that I have an 'enormous' vocabulary.
However, sometimes, it seems that it does not present itself well when I need all-of-the-right-words to explain what I am wanting to convey.
And, I have been distracted by / with a headache all day...
Hopefully, I have said it well enough to get the point across...
The "sense and tense" of the word 'And' at the beginning of any particular verse is based on the context in which it is used -- the surrounding words - before it and after it. It is not the same for all verses.
Genesis 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [SUP]2[/SUP] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [SUP]3[/SUP] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [SUP]4[/SUP] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [SUP]5[/SUP] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [SUP]9[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [SUP]10[/SUP] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]11[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]12[/SUP] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]13[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the third day. [SUP]14[/SUP] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [SUP]15[/SUP] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]16[/SUP] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. [SUP]17[/SUP] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [SUP]18[/SUP] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]19[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21[/SUP] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22[/SUP] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. [SUP]23[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [SUP]24[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [SUP]25[/SUP] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]26[/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27[/SUP] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28[/SUP] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [SUP]29[/SUP] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [SUP]30[/SUP] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [SUP]31[/SUP] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
( For the sake of this post, I am [ for-the-most-part ] only discussing the 'And' words at the beginning of the verses. And, yes - I know the verse numbers were added later... [ yada yada yada ] )
Each color represents a different "sense and tense" of the use of the word in the context of where it is used. Those of the same color have a similar "sense and tense" of the word.
The orange word is not chronologically-based, as you suggest; rather, it is conditionally-based - having to do with the 'status' of the earth ( in the context ). There is no 'active' sense of the word present ( based on the context ). It is only 'passive'.
The green word, however, is chronologically-based - having an 'active' sense of the word present.
The blue word is a little more 'passive' than the green word, but may still be considered to be chronologically-based.
The pink word is 'active'; however, the "sense and tense" of it is that of 'explanation' / 'extension' rather than 'action'.
The purple word is entirely 'passive'. In the context of the use of these words, "simply 'what is' is being stated" regarding the creation events.
The gray word is a 'passive' extension of the previous phrase / statement.
( My use of the words 'active' and 'passive' in the above statements are intended from the overall "sense and tense" of the contextual point-of-view of the verses -- not the specific rules of the contruct of the 'grammar of the language'. )
My apologies if I am not able to explain myself well enough...
I have, in the past, been told that I have an 'enormous' vocabulary.
However, sometimes, it seems that it does not present itself well when I need all-of-the-right-words to explain what I am wanting to convey.
And, I have been distracted by / with a headache all day...
Hopefully, I have said it well enough to get the point across...
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I might be inclined to agree - except for one thing...
The "sense and tense" of the word 'And' at the beginning of any particular verse is based on the context in which it is used -- the surrounding words - before it and after it. It is not the same for all verses.
Genesis 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [SUP]2[/SUP] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [SUP]3[/SUP] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [SUP]4[/SUP] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [SUP]5[/SUP] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [SUP]9[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [SUP]10[/SUP] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]11[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]12[/SUP] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]13[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the third day. [SUP]14[/SUP] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [SUP]15[/SUP] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]16[/SUP] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. [SUP]17[/SUP] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [SUP]18[/SUP] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]19[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21[/SUP] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22[/SUP] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. [SUP]23[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [SUP]24[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [SUP]25[/SUP] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]26[/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27[/SUP] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28[/SUP] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [SUP]29[/SUP] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [SUP]30[/SUP] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [SUP]31[/SUP] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
( For the sake of this post, I am [ for-the-most-part ] only discussing the 'And' words at the beginning of the verses. And, yes - I know the verse numbers were added later... [ yada yada yada ] )
Each color represents a different "sense and tense" of the use of the word in the context of where it is used. Those of the same color have a similar "sense and tense" of the word.
The orange word is not chronologically-based, as you suggest; rather, it is conditionally-based - having to do with the 'status' of the earth ( in the context ). There is no 'active' sense of the word present ( based on the context ). It is only 'passive'.
The green word, however, is chronologically-based - having an 'active' sense of the word present.
The blue word is a little more 'passive' than the green word, but may still be considered to be chronologically-based.
The pink word is 'active'; however, the "sense and tense" of it is that of 'explanation' / 'extension' rather than 'action'.
The purple word is entirely 'passive'. In the context of the use of these words, "simply 'what is' is being stated" regarding the creation events.
The gray word is a 'passive' extension of the previous phrase / statement.
( My use of the words 'active' and 'passive' in the above statements are intended from the overall "sense and tense" of the contextual point-of-view of the verses -- not the specific rules of the contruct of the 'grammar of the language'. )
My apologies if I am not able to explain myself well enough...
I have, in the past, been told that I have an 'enormous' vocabulary.
However, sometimes, it seems that it does not present itself well when I need all-of-the-right-words to explain what I am wanting to convey.
And, I have been distracted by / with a headache all day...
Hopefully, I have said it well enough to get the point across...
The "sense and tense" of the word 'And' at the beginning of any particular verse is based on the context in which it is used -- the surrounding words - before it and after it. It is not the same for all verses.
Genesis 1:
[SUP]1[/SUP] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [SUP]2[/SUP] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [SUP]3[/SUP] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [SUP]4[/SUP] And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. [SUP]5[/SUP] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [SUP]6[/SUP] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. [SUP]7[/SUP] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. [SUP]8[/SUP] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. [SUP]9[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [SUP]10[/SUP] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]11[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]12[/SUP] And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]13[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the third day. [SUP]14[/SUP] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: [SUP]15[/SUP] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. [SUP]16[/SUP] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. [SUP]17[/SUP] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, [SUP]18[/SUP] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]19[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [SUP]20[/SUP] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21[/SUP] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22[/SUP] And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. [SUP]23[/SUP] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [SUP]24[/SUP] And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. [SUP]25[/SUP] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]26[/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27[/SUP] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28[/SUP] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [SUP]29[/SUP] And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. [SUP]30[/SUP] And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. [SUP]31[/SUP] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
( For the sake of this post, I am [ for-the-most-part ] only discussing the 'And' words at the beginning of the verses. And, yes - I know the verse numbers were added later... [ yada yada yada ] )
Each color represents a different "sense and tense" of the use of the word in the context of where it is used. Those of the same color have a similar "sense and tense" of the word.
The orange word is not chronologically-based, as you suggest; rather, it is conditionally-based - having to do with the 'status' of the earth ( in the context ). There is no 'active' sense of the word present ( based on the context ). It is only 'passive'.
The green word, however, is chronologically-based - having an 'active' sense of the word present.
The blue word is a little more 'passive' than the green word, but may still be considered to be chronologically-based.
The pink word is 'active'; however, the "sense and tense" of it is that of 'explanation' / 'extension' rather than 'action'.
The purple word is entirely 'passive'. In the context of the use of these words, "simply 'what is' is being stated" regarding the creation events.
The gray word is a 'passive' extension of the previous phrase / statement.
( My use of the words 'active' and 'passive' in the above statements are intended from the overall "sense and tense" of the contextual point-of-view of the verses -- not the specific rules of the contruct of the 'grammar of the language'. )
My apologies if I am not able to explain myself well enough...
I have, in the past, been told that I have an 'enormous' vocabulary.
However, sometimes, it seems that it does not present itself well when I need all-of-the-right-words to explain what I am wanting to convey.
And, I have been distracted by / with a headache all day...
Hopefully, I have said it well enough to get the point across...
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Gravity is due to the mass of the Earth ( particularly, it's dense iron core ), not the fact that it is turning. Don't confuse it with the magnetic effects...
The more slowly the earth turns, the greater is the [ effective ] pull of gravity; everything would be "heavier", because there would be less centrifugal force ( pushing everything outward, away from the center / surface of the earth ) to offset the gravitational pull downward toward the center of the earth.
The more slowly the earth turns, the greater is the [ effective ] pull of gravity; everything would be "heavier", because there would be less centrifugal force ( pushing everything outward, away from the center / surface of the earth ) to offset the gravitational pull downward toward the center of the earth.
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Gravity is due to the mass of the Earth ( particularly, it's dense iron core ), not the fact that it is turning. Don't confuse it with the magnetic effects...
The more slowly the earth turns, the greater is the [ effective ] pull of gravity; everything would be "heavier", because there would be less centrifugal force ( pushing everything outward, away from the center / surface of the earth ) to offset the gravitational pull downward toward the center of the earth.
The more slowly the earth turns, the greater is the [ effective ] pull of gravity; everything would be "heavier", because there would be less centrifugal force ( pushing everything outward, away from the center / surface of the earth ) to offset the gravitational pull downward toward the center of the earth.