Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

[MarcR]

Gen 1:29
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
KJV

It appears that at first, God intended us all to be vegetarians.

Gen 9:3
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
KJV

After Noah came off the ark; we were given permission to eat what we wanted

Gen 7:2-3
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
KJV


IN Genesis 7, the designation clean simply means fit for sacrifice; it does NOT speak of food.

Lev 11:2
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
KJV

In Leviticus chapter 11 God put a whole chapter of rules on Israel (AND NOBODY ELSE) about what to eat.

IMO, this was one of several ways in which God made a separation between Israel and the surrounding nations.

But, IMO, the whole purpose of the LAW was to persuade people that they could not please God by their own efforts.



1 Tim 4:1-6
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
KJV

For believers in Jesus, this brings us all (gentiles and Jews) back to Genesis 9:3.

IMO Acts 10:9-15 is not about food; it is about people.

 

[DP]

One other question:

- Leviticus 11 states that animals like pig, sea food and octopus aren´t clean to eat. We all know what shrimps eat...etc, but how about octopus? What´s the problem with it?

But mainly, the Bible doesn´t prohibit eating chicken and they can even eat human dejects...! Chicken eat almost everything humans give to them...! It´s far from being a "clean" animal...!

Thoughts, brethren?

God bless!

What was said about Peter's continued witness on the matter in Acts 11 shows God gave him the vision to represent The Gospel going to the Gentiles. That event did NOT... change God's dietary laws.

Apostle Paul goes into more depth though in 1 Corinthians 10, because we do have liberty in Christ Jesus. He said whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), that eat, not asking any questions. And if someone who isn't a believer invites you to dinner, eat what is put before you asking no questions, unless... they tell you it has been offered to an idol, then don't eat it and explain to them why.

None of this means we can skirt around God's health laws. The matter is simply that God created certain animals "to be received" and others He created as scavengers to cleanse the earth which can process anything (pig is a scavenger). Our body might be able to handle it for years, but eat enough of it, long enough, and it will eventually make the body sick.

The idea is eat to live, but beware of foods that are not healthy for the body, and use common sense. It is not a Salvation issue. It's a bodily health issue.

 

[KohenMatt]

I don't eat unclean food and believe that it should be the standard for all Believers today.

Peter's dream wasn't addressing food, it was addressing God's view of "unclean" people. It isn't consistent to say that God created certain animals to be unclean by their very nature and physical make-up, and then to reverse it and say, "Nevermind, they're actually perfectly clean to eat."

 

[oldhermit]

I don't eat unclean food and believe that it should be the standard for all Believers today.

Peter's dream wasn't addressing food, it was addressing God's view of "unclean" people. It isn't consistent to say that God created certain animals to be unclean by their very nature and physical make-up, and then to reverse it and say, "Nevermind, they're actually perfectly clean to eat."

In Acts 15 the apostles and elders at Jerusalem drafted a letter to the Gentile Church at Antioch. The issues being weighed in that council were whether Gentiles were to observe the Law of Moses, particularly regarding the matter of circumcision. "When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.” The decision of the council was that no such burden was to be placed on the Gentile Christians. Circumcision and the observances of the Law were no longer of any force. The ONLY restrictions that were to be common among both Jew and Gentile regarding the practices of idolatry. They were to abstain from:
1. Fornication
2. The eating of things strangled
3. The eating of blood
No dietary observances beyond this imposed.

 

[Biblelogic01]

It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

^i^ responding to OP

Jesus was talking about the washing of hands when He said that.
The pharisees were judging because some of Jesus' disciples did not wash their hands before they ate.
Washing hands was on of the man-made traditions passed down that the Pharisees upheld.
This passage has nothing to do with food.

Just as the scripture mentioned in the OP has nothing to do with food.
It has to do with Peter going amongst gentiles, as Peter explains later on in the passage.

 

[KohenMatt]

In Acts 15 the apostles and elders at Jerusalem drafted a letter to the Gentile Church at Antioch. The issues being weighed in that council were whether Gentiles were to observe the Law of Moses, particularly regarding the matter of circumcision. "When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.” The decision of the council was that no such burden was to be placed on the Gentile Christians. Circumcision and the observances of the Law were no longer of any force. The ONLY restrictions that were to be common among both Jew and Gentile regarding the practices of idolatry. They were to abstain from:
1. Fornication
2. The eating of things strangled
3. The eating of blood
No dietary observances beyond this imposed.

By that reasoning, they didn't impose A LOT of things on the Gentile church either.

 

[oldhermit]

By that reasoning, they didn't impose A LOT of things on the Gentile church either.

The point is simply that they were bound by nothing regarding the Law of Moses. Not just the Gentile Christians, but the Jewish Christians as well.

 

[KohenMatt]

The point is simply that they were bound by nothing regarding the Law of Moses. Not just the Gentile Christians, but the Jewish Christians as well.

"Bound" being the key word in the whole Law discussion. I'm not bound to keeping the Law for any reason. Keeping the Law simply shows us how to live.

 

[oldhermit]

"Bound" being the key word in the whole Law discussion. I'm not bound to keeping the Law for any reason. Keeping the Law simply shows us how to live.

In other words, neither the Gentile Christian not the Jewish Christian were obligated to keep any of the Law, not even circumcision.

 

[DP]

In Acts 15 the apostles and elders at Jerusalem drafted a letter to the Gentile Church at Antioch. The issues being weighed in that council were whether Gentiles were to observe the Law of Moses, particularly regarding the matter of circumcision. "When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter.” The decision of the council was that no such burden was to be placed on the Gentile Christians. Circumcision and the observances of the Law were no longer of any force. The ONLY restrictions that were to be common among both Jew and Gentile regarding the practices of idolatry. They were to abstain from:
1. Fornication
2. The eating of things strangled
3. The eating of blood
No dietary observances beyond this imposed.

But that's not actually the point. The point is still... about the flesh body's health, and the meats God created for us to receive, not Salvation issues.

I was raised on country ham, pork sausage, and bacon, but I know it is not healthy to eat. I'm not Jewish, yet I know that. We are not to condemn brethren for what they eat. But revealing to them (if you know) is because you want them to enjoy life more fully like our Lord Jesus proposed.

I also love crab legs and lobster, but I know it's not healthy. Same with processed foods, sweets with refined sugar, etc. It's just a common sense issue.

 

[oldhermit]

But that's not actually the point. The point is still... about the flesh body's health, and the meats God created for us to receive, not Salvation issues.

I was raised on country ham, pork sausage, and bacon, but I know it is not healthy to eat. I'm not Jewish, yet I know that. We are not to condemn brethren for what they eat. But revealing to them (if you know) is because you want them to enjoy life more fully like our Lord Jesus proposed.

I also love crab legs and lobster, but I know it's not healthy. Same with processed foods, sweets with refined sugar, etc. It's just a common sense issue.

They were not discussing body health issues, they were discussing salvation and the Law.

 

[DP]

They were not discussing body health issues, they were discussing salvation and the Law.

I haven't been doing that, and I don't see KohenMatt doing that. But I do see folks that wrongly think every one of God's laws involved the old covenant to Israel.

 

[oldhermit]

I haven't been doing that, and I don't see KohenMatt doing that. But I do see folks that wrongly think every one of God's laws involved the old covenant to Israel.

It is a misunderstanding of the Law to think that it was written to anyone except the Jew.

 

[Ahwatukee]

But that's not actually the point. The point is still... about the flesh body's health, and the meats God created for us to receive, not Salvation issues.

I was raised on country ham, pork sausage, and bacon, but I know it is not healthy to eat. I'm not Jewish, yet I know that. We are not to condemn brethren for what they eat. But revealing to them (if you know) is because you want them to enjoy life more fully like our Lord Jesus proposed.

I also love crab legs and lobster, but I know it's not healthy. Same with processed foods, sweets with refined sugar, etc. It's just a common sense issue.

The point is, under the covenant of salvation by grace through faith, if your faith allows you to eat anything and everything, then nothing is to be refused if it be received by prayer and thanksgiving. On the other hand, If a believer wants to abstain from certain foods, for whatever reason, then they are free to do so.

The problem comes when believers abstain from those foods as observing the law as works for salvation. Here is what Paul said regarding the issue of the food law:

"I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. (Rom.14:14)

"Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble." (Rom.14:20)

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Col.2:16)


Paul was of course speaking about those whose faith allows them to eat anything and that they should not eat anything that would cause a believer who is weaker in faith to stumble. In the process, he makes it clear that no food is unclean and that because it belonged to the covenant of the law. Therefore, regardless of health reasons and the like, we who are under grace are free to eat whatever our faith allows us to and that with God's blessing.

 

[DP]

I don't know how many times I've heard brethren misinterpret what Apostle Paul said in 1 Timothy 4 about meats, mainly because they like to leave out a very important conditional phrase that Paul stated:

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

Most brethren will pass over that "created to be received" phrase and quote verse 4 only.

In that phrase, "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving...", what role does that word "with" serve in grammar? It's a conjunction that joins different objects. Thus "...meats, which God hath created to be received" is a separate object in that statement, even though God also commanded that those meats be received with thanksgiving.

So what meats per the Old Testament did God specifically create for us to receive? See Deuteronomy 14 for the list.

So Apostle Paul was definitely NOT... saying it's OK to just eat any little ole' thing your heart desires, as long as you give thanks over it. For this reason, many brethren are sick from eating unhealthy foods.

 

[Jayoish]

I don't know how many times I've heard brethren misinterpret what Apostle Paul said in 1 Timothy 4 about meats, mainly because they like to leave out a very important conditional phrase that Paul stated:

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

Most brethren will pass over that "created to be received" phrase and quote verse 4 only.

In that phrase, "which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving...", what role does that word "with" serve in grammar? It's a conjunction that joins different objects. Thus "...meats, which God hath created to be received" is a separate object in that statement, even though God also commanded that those meats be received with thanksgiving.

So what meats per the Old Testament did God specifically create for us to receive? See Deuteronomy 14 for the list.

So Apostle Paul was definitely NOT... saying it's OK to just eat any little ole' thing your heart desires, as long as you give thanks over it. For this reason, many brethren are sick from eating unhealthy foods.

Amen, I could not have stated it better myself. Finally someone who has some understanding of the bible.


Jayoish.

 

[DP]

Amen, I could not have stated it better myself. Finally someone who has some understanding of the bible.


Jayoish.

Well, I don't want brethren to think we are bound to that list as a Salvation issue either. Apostle Paul taught in Corinthians that whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), that eat, asking no questions. And if the unbeliever invites us to dinner, eat whatever is put before us, asking no questions. Yet he didn't say that to mean God's health laws were done away with. It's simply about our liberty in Christ Jesus to use common sense.

Going to the unbeliever's house when invited to dinner, and speaking out about their unhealthy food is going to insult them from the start. It will ruin opportunity to show them The Gospel, which is a much more important matter. Only if they say their food was offered to an idol, did Paul say don't eat it.

 

[gb9]

Matthew 15. and please do not try to spin this, Jesus spoke very clearly on the matter of food.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles the body, but that which comes out of it. We can eat all things in the name of Jesus Christ. As to if we should keep the laws, dietary or otherwise click HERE to read Scriptural proof that we are NOT.

^i^ responding to OP











Here is the Truth. You should OBEY all things that Jesus Christ tells you to do AND all things the Apostles of Jesus Christ tells you to do? Do those things and you will be doing the Will of the Father in Heaven and will be accepted by Him.

For example, Does Jesus tell Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No He does not teach that ANYWHERE.
Does the Apostle teach Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath? No they do not teach that ANYWHERE.
Do men of this generation teach that you MUST keep the Sabbath? Yes they do.
So then men of today teach things that are contrary to what Jesus Himself, and His Apostles taught us to do.

i assure you with no doubts whatsoever. IF Jesus wanted us to continue to keep the Sabbath, Jesus and/or His Apostles would have plainly told us to do so, in one of the thousands of verses they gave us to follow. Did they forget to mention that they wanted us to continue to keep it? Or did Jesus and the all the Apostles knew that we no longer had to keep it, and therefore do not instruct us Christians to do it? My point is, if you DO what Jesus and His Apostles tells you to do, you will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. Do not listen to those of the last days generation who add burdens upon the Christians which Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed us to do, We are not under the LAW, we are under the Law of Liberty, not the Laws of Moses, not the 10 Commandments. What does the Apostle John say plainly to us Christians. Consider:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now many in this generation will ADD (interpret via men) this verse to mean the 10 commandments. But what does the Apostle John PLAINLY tells us what HIS Commandments are?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Do THAT, and you will be accepted with HIM, as it is written. Those who believe we are to keep the LAW, will be held accountable to that LAW, as it is written if you break the least of these, you break them all. Those who want to be under the LAW, will be judged by that LAW. Anyone who wants to live under the LAW, is not under the Law of Liberty. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, are free from the LAW, they are no longer in bondage to the LAW as to do them, they are free. But now we are under a new covenant, a new agreement, we are to obey what Jesus and His Apostles tell us to do. And Jesus and His Apostle plainly tells us, over and over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. i can't stress enough, how important it is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. God is LOVE. Those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER, do NOT have God. If God be in you, you will LOVE ONE ANOTHER, for God is LOVE. Those who get on these boards and try to hurt people, or try to upset people, or try to get people riled, or say hurtful things to others, or mocks others, or belittles others, or make fun of others. Where is GOD in them, Where is the LOVE for them at? Those who do not have LOVE, do not have God, no matter how loudly they proclaim with their mouths they do. You will know them by their fruits.

Your either one of those that LOVE ONE ANOTHER
or
You are one of those that don't.

^i^ responding to post # 57

You are a liar false DiscipleDave....you can not without penalty of sin. Not only will you have to pay for your sin of breaking the dietary laws, but for telling this lie and deceiving others to do so. As stated in Matthew 5:19:

[SUP]19[/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Least in the kingdom.......Which is the lake of fire to burn eternally.


Jayoish

What is it to me if you do not believe the Word of God. The Word of God teaches me that i can eat all things. You teach that i can only eat this or that.

Mat_6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

But you take thought, don't you? i do not worry about what to eat, what to not eat, you do that, don't you?

Jesus told His Disciples this:

Luk_10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

But what do you say? You say to eat only this, or eat only that, or you can't eat this, or you can't eat that.

Luk_12:22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.

Jesus instructed them to not be concerned with what they eat, but you teach to be concerned, do you not?

Rom_14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

i am one that believes i can eat all things, Do you believe you can eat all things, or do you believe you can only eat certain things?

Rom_14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

i have Faith that i can eat all things, in the name of Jesus Christ. But your faith, you better only eat this or that, right?

1Co_10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

i can eat all things, therefore i can eat whatsoever is sold in the shambles, but you can't, can you? You have to question what it is that is being sold, yes? So you can determine if you are allowed to eat it or not, right? How is that NOT still under bondage? Can't eat this, can't eat that, - Bondage.

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

i believe ALL THINGS are lawful for me, that is i can eat all things. Are all things lawful for you? Or do you think it is unlawful to eat this or to eat that?

1Co_10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

So we Christians are told to eat whatever is laid before us, no questions. But not you, right? you have a belief that you can only eat certain things, therefore you would ask, would you not? those who can eat all things, do not need to ask, why? Because they can eat all things, as does the Scriptures teach.

What is it to me, what you call me, or think of me? i believe the Word of God and what it teaches, you do not believe the Word of God, if you did then you would also believe all those verses above. But you don't believe them. You only believe the verses that you pick and choose to believe.

You accuse me of being a liar, then show me one Scripture that proves i am as you accuse me. Just one verse, that proves that i am a lliar.

Rev 21:8 plainly teaches that ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Therefore if i have lied in some way, then be a Godly Brother, and show me the Scriptures that is contrary to what i teach, so that i may realize my error and repent of it. But if you do not show the Scriptures, then you have falsely accused me. And What does the Word of God say concerning the those who falsely accuse.

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

So you have called me a liar, So that you are NOT a false accuser, show the verse which proves that i am what you are now accusing me of, a liar.

Love you, and look forward to your response on this matter. Oh, and just in case you do what so many others do and not answer, i want you to know that i forgive you of falsely accusing me of being a liar.

^i^ responding to post # 72

 

[DiscipleDave]

With all respects for you DiscipleDave and all who think as you....you are wrong, and sadly do not speak the truth if the Messiah, nor his Disciples...

Jesus never broke any from the sacred Commandments, nor did his Disciples and comands us to obey all teachings...

None taken. You say that i am wrong, where is the Scriptures that back up your belief? What is with this generation, they accuse, without showing the evidence thereof. if i am going to accuse another of lying for example, i would clearly SHOW the what they said in one post, compared to what they say in this post, SHOWING them that they are indeed lying. But not this generation, they just accuse, without any support for their accusations at all.. If then you think i am wrong in something that i have said, then SHOW the verse which proves me to be wrong.

You say that i do not speak the Truth if the Messiah, then SHOW where i have error. Show the Scriptures that SHOW that i am wrong as you say. You accuse me of not speaking the Truth, yet do not show how i have done this. i teach what the Scriptures teach, you only SAY that i am wrong, because i teach what is contrary to YOUR own belief of the Truth. What i teach does not contradict the Scriptures AT ALL, what i teach contradicts what YOU THINK the Truth is. What is it to me, what you think? Show me Scriptures that prove what i teach is WRONG, so that i can repent, and change what i teach. But if you can't show Scriptures, and what i teach only contradicts what YOU THINK is the Truth, i will continue to teach the Truth of what the Scriptures teach. Call me what you will, i will continue to teach the Truth of what Scriptures teach, UNLESS, you can show the Scriptures that proves me wrong. We will see if you reveal the Scriptures or not.

Jesus never broke any from the sacred Commandments, nor did his Disciples and comands us to obey all teachings...

Jesus lived by all the 614+ commandments, because Jesus lived by the Laws of Moses, else sin would have been found in Him. Jesus had to obey all the commandments of the old testament, because if He didn't, then He would not have been a PERFECT Sacrifice, Holy, without spot Lamb of God.

Now you say above that the Disciples commands us to obey all teachings, i have read the entire Bible front to back over 80 times in my life, i have never once read what you are saying here. OBEY ALL TEACHINGS? really? There is a teaching that a person is to be stoned to death, is that teaching still in effect, if we are to OBEY ALL TEACHINGS, then that would indeed still be in effect, Are you saying you believe that? Are you saying the Disciple taught that we are OBEY ALL TEACHINGS? seriously?

This is the Truth.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now this generation will teach you (falsely) that His Commandments are the 10 commandments, or other old testament commandments, But instead of listening to the men/women of this generation let us plainly believe the Scriptures.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

There you have it, Do what the Apostle John plainly told us what His Commandments are, and do NOT listen to the people of this generation try and tell you what His Commandments are, they do error and do not know the Truth, even when the plain Scriptures PROVES what His Commandments are, they will reject it, and not believe it. Because they love to think they know the TRUTH, they love their own interpretations, even if it is false.

^i^ responding to post #76