U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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jsr1221

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You consider a gay person a "sexual deviant" automatically because they're gay? You compare them to rapist and child molestors based on what? The fact that they have this attraction? Really? Your sick.
It's just not worth it, Lis. He's going to continue to accuse you of being "one of them." This has turned into a conspiracy. For the sake of your health and time, leave when you can. He's not going to change. The Bible says there will be those that we just can't reach.
 

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Because they decided to try drugs or alcohol, and formed an addiction.


Why must everything be about "genes" now? Is it really so hard to take some personal responsibility?


Its insane how the secular world holds claim over the word logic, when they truly feel we must bring an end to personal responsibility and say that every thing that we do is all based on genetic makeup.



Sometimes I really dont want to go to work, I just want to sit around and do nothing.
Damn you genes! How dare you make me lazy!
Really? Cause my mom never did drugs or drank while she was pregnant with my sister and me. Yet, my sister still became an addict. So... How do you explain that? I guess the fact both of our grandfather and our father were addicts just doesn't matter...
 

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So we have established that anecdote is a poor means of determining the real origins of homosexual attraction.
 
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It's just not worth it, Lis. He's going to continue to accuse you of being "one of them." This has turned into a conspiracy. For the sake of your health and time, leave when you can. He's not going to change. The Bible says there will be those that we just can't reach.
Hold on a Min...??? does the bible not clearly call homosexuality a sexual perversion? Of course it does ..so is the bible truth or the PC nonsense of this world?
 
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Really? Cause my mom never did drugs or drank while she was pregnant with my sister and me. Yet, my sister still became an addict. So... How do you explain that? I guess the fact both of our grandfather and our father were addicts just doesn't matter...
So if they had been bank robbers..you would have a bank robber gene? :confused:
 

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So if they had been bank robbers..you would have a bank robber gene? :confused:
Clearly you don't believe in these little things called scientific research and evidence.
 
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Clearly you don't believe in these little things called scientific research and evidence.
Not I don't believe the same folks who reject God and look for excuses for sin that are contrary to the bible ...I believe the bible above any wisdom or logic of man.
 

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Not I don't believe the same folks who reject God and look for excuses for sin that are contrary to the bible ...I believe the bible above any wisdom or logic of man.
Right... I look for an excuse to promote alcoholism. Despite losing two grandfathers, one of which I never knew, a father that fell out of my life and later died, and my sister who could be anywhere right now, to alcoholism. And growing up in an angry household with a step dad and mom that were also addicted to alcohol... Let alone the fact that I don't want anything to do it... And I also excuse homosexuality even though I said they need Jesus just like the rest of us.. The more you post the more you just repeat yourself over and over again, and the more you show how ignorant you really are. Hey I think the government is peeping in your door. Better go tape that up, since you're into conspiracies and all.
 
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Right... I look for an excuse to promote alcoholism. Despite losing two grandfathers, one of which I never knew, a father that fell out of my life and later died, and my sister who could be anywhere right now, to alcoholism. And growing up in an angry household with a step dad and mom that were also addicted to alcohol... Let alone the fact that I don't want anything to do it... And I also excuse homosexuality even though I said they need Jesus just like the rest of us.. The more you post the more you just repeat yourself over and over again, and the more you show how ignorant you really are. Hey I think the government is peeping in your door. Better go tape that up, since you're into conspiracies and all.
So what does the bible say? And no one would find it odd that a child would follow after the sins of the parents..but that don't prove any of this nonsense about having sin genes ... If you want to believe the world and this nonsense instead of the bible? That's up to you..but don't expect other bible believing Christians to follow after this foolishness.
 

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So what does the bible say? And no one would find it odd that a child would follow after the sins of the parents..but that don't prove any of this nonsense about having sin genes ... If you want to believe the world and this nonsense instead of the bible? That's up to you..but don't expect other bible believing Christians to follow after this foolishness.
When it comes to alcoholism, yeah. There's more than enough evidence, actually. Having a drink isn't a sin. For alcoholics, though, just having that one drink is one drink too many. The Bible actually talks about drinking in front of those that struggle with alcoholism, actually. Funny how the Bible talks about it.
 
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Hold on a Min...??? does the bible not clearly call homosexuality a sexual perversion? Of course it does ..so is the bible truth or the PC nonsense of this world?
all sin is a perversion of what God originally intended for mankind. So get over yourself.
 

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Really? Cause my mom never did drugs or drank while she was pregnant with my sister and me. Yet, my sister still became an addict. So... How do you explain that? I guess the fact both of our grandfather and our father were addicts just doesn't matter...
Most likely they were introduced to it at some point in their lives, liked it, and became hopelessly addicted. Key phrase here: introduced to it. They weren't exposed to it in utero.
 

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Really? Cause my mom never did drugs or drank while she was pregnant with my sister and me. Yet, my sister still became an addict. So... How do you explain that? I guess the fact both of our grandfather and our father were addicts just doesn't matter...

Because she tried drugs, and got to the point where she relied on them and became addicted to them.


She could have said no to them, but didnt. I doubt the first time she ever tried them, she had an uncontrollable urge to do it, Im sure she tried it out of curiosity. I have a very close friend whos addicted to drugs, and he is 100% capable of admitting its his own fault, and that he allowed it to happen to himself. There are those who can admit they are in the wrong, and those who always try to find something to blame, to take responsibility from themselves.

I hope your sister can find strength and overcome her addiction.
 

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all sin is a perversion of what God originally intended for mankind. So get over yourself.

That doesnt make living in sin acceptable to God, and we should guide those who live in sin away from it.

Comforting them into sin is the same as murder. Literally. Speaking of someone from that life, you are doing more harm to them if you are accepting of it.




And you can try to make that into "hate those who are gay" to defend your stance, but there are people on this site that know the difference, be loving of them, but guide them away from sin. Homosexuality will lead someone into Gods eternal wrath, He says it Himself, the sexually immoral cannot be saved. I refused to believe this myself until He showed me what was going to happen to me. I do not like it when I hear people tell Christians they need to not tell people what they want to hear because of this.


"satan masquerades as an angel of light".
 

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Because she tried drugs, and got to the point where she relied on them and became addicted to them.


She could have said no to them, but didnt. I doubt the first time she ever tried them, she had an uncontrollable urge to do it, Im sure she tried it out of curiosity. I have a very close friend whos addicted to drugs, and he is 100% capable of admitting its his own fault, and that he allowed it to happen to himself. There are those who can admit they are in the wrong, and those who always try to find something to blame, to take responsibility from themselves.

I hope your sister can find strength and overcome her addiction.
There are those that can try it just once and get hooked immediately. But there are also things such as a family history of it. Why do you think I've never tried it? Cause I know it can happen to me. Yes alcoholism is a sin, and there are plenty of Bible verses that say this. But there's also plenty of research that also shows it's a disease and runs in families.
 

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Most likely they were introduced to it at some point in their lives, liked it, and became hopelessly addicted. Key phrase here: introduced to it. They weren't exposed to it in utero.
So if they were introduced to it at some point prior in their lives before creating said kid, how would that explain exactly how someone would have the same disease that both parents struggled with? If no such thing as an alcoholic gene existed?
 
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That doesnt make living in sin acceptable to God, and we should guide those who live in sin away from it.

Comforting them into sin is the same as murder. Literally. Speaking of someone from that life, you are doing more harm to them if you are accepting of it.




And you can try to make that into "hate those who are gay" to defend your stance, but there are people on this site that know the difference, be loving of them, but guide them away from sin. Homosexuality will lead someone into Gods eternal wrath, He says it Himself, the sexually immoral cannot be saved. I refused to believe this myself until He showed me what was going to happen to me. I do not like it when I hear people tell Christians they need to not tell people what they want to hear because of this.

"satan masquerades as an angel of light".
first of all where are you getting that I EVER said "living in sin" is acceptable to God?????? Oh, never mind, don't answer that. I know where. My point in the statement you quoted was that Sin is sin...no MATTER WHAT KIND. It's all the same. It ALL separates us from God...which is why I cannot fathom why M man is soooo focused on this particular sin as being held at a much higher level than all others. By doing so, he has excused his own extremely nasty attitude towards gay people, and that is what I cannot understand. He is UNABLE to guide them away from sin because He cannot even separate the "sin" from the "sinner" long enough to do so in a way that actually reflects Christ. That is my point. Umm...the "sexually immoral" can be saved from their sin. Just ask the woman caught in adultery...unless I'm just misunderstanding your meaning behind your statement. Jesus will forgive the worst of the worst sinners if they place their faith in Him and receive His forgiveness.

Sorry you don't like it. It's too easy for Christians to "tell tell tell" without having to put the effort in to place the "show" along with that. It's called in "in truth AND grace".
 
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People call me liberal for not supporting Kim Davis. Saying you don't have to obey the law because you don't agree with it is a liberal philosophy


Have you forgotten about Daniel and his friends standing up against Nebuchanazzar...they were slaves...but because of their faith to refuse to defile themselves with the kings meats...they were honored by God..eventually they were promoted by God throughout Nebuchanazzar's reign and several other kings and they were working for the government. Yes they were punished but God honored them. So were they wrong for standing up for what was right even though they worked for the public?

What does the word Christian mean..and did God not say, "Avoid the appearance of evil. Are we called to resist evil..stand in the gap? You can't serve 2 masters. You can try but it won't turn out well for you.
 
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Have you forgotten about Daniel and his friends standing up against Nebuchanazzar...they were slaves...but because of their faith to refuse to defile themselves with the kings meats...they were honored by God..eventually they were promoted by God throughout Nebuchanazzar's reign and several other kings and they were working for the government. Yes they were punished but God honored them. So were they wrong for standing up for what was right even though they worked for the public?

What does the word Christian mean..and did God not say, "Avoid the appearance of evil. Are we called to resist evil..stand in the gap? You can't serve 2 masters. You can try but it won't turn out well for you.
I kind of agree with you on this...but the difference I see between Daniel and Kim Davis is this. Daniel was thrown in the Lion's Den because he refused an order that barred him from personally and directly praying to his God. Kim Davis was thrown into jail because she refused an order to issue licenses to gay people who wanted to be lawfully married...and she went to jail as a result, which is much better than a Lion's den. Daniel didn't complain. He didn't assert that his religious rights were being violated, and he didn't have a clan of cronies outside the lions den "protesting" nebudchednezzar's actions while holding up signs that nebudchudnezzar himself would have deemed disrespectful...and last but not least, he certainly didn't turn around and attempt to sue Nebudchudnezzar or his officers for his unjust legal woes. I'm ecstatic that he was later rewarded with a public position (which was definitely after the fact in all of this)...and I do believe God rewarded him because he wore this righteous of God...to the point that even Nebudchudnezzar was touched by this righteousness. God rewards him by sparing his life, and old evil nebudchudnezzar rewards him by lifting him up to a position in public office. There is beauty in this truth. The Lord is truly amazing!
 
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first of all where are you getting that I EVER said "living in sin" is acceptable to God?????? Oh, never mind, don't answer that. I know where. My point in the statement you quoted was that Sin is sin...no MATTER WHAT KIND. It's all the same. It ALL separates us from God...which is why I cannot fathom why M man is soooo focused on this particular sin as being held at a much higher level than all others. By doing so, he has excused his own extremely nasty attitude towards gay people, and that is what I cannot understand. He is UNABLE to guide them away from sin because He cannot even separate the "sin" from the "sinner" long enough to do so in a way that actually reflects Christ. That is my point. Umm...the "sexually immoral" can be saved from their sin. Just ask the woman caught in adultery...unless I'm just misunderstanding your meaning behind your statement. Jesus will forgive the worst of the worst sinners if they place their faith in Him and receive His forgiveness.

Sorry you don't like it. It's too easy for Christians to "tell tell tell" without having to put the effort in to place the "show" along with that. It's called in "in truth AND grace".
You have been promoting the gay agenda since you came on this site..everyone who has read your post knows it. And yes this sin is pointed to in the scriptures above other sin and direct evidence of one that has been given over to a reprobate condition of the mind... Pointing to other sin as if you can justify or excuse this one is just false logic ...I don't see any threads where people are trying to justify and excuse other sins... do you?