U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[Mitspa]

So if they were introduced to it at some point prior in their lives before creating said kid, how would that explain exactly how someone would have the same disease that both parents struggled with? If no such thing as an alcoholic gene existed?

Only one question...do you believe the bible or this nonsense the world is teaching? Im assuming since the world is telling you its not really your fault ...you will believe the world ..."did God really say"

 

[Lis45]

You have been promoting the gay agenda since you came on this site..everyone who has read your post knows it. And yes this sin is pointed to in the scriptures above other sin and direct evidence of one that has been given over to a reprobate condition of the mind... Pointing to other sin as if you can justify or excuse this one is just false logic ...I don't see any threads where people are trying to justify and excuse other sins....do you?

Ummm...don't know what you're talking about, but I haven't promoted ANY agenda....so think whatever you want. And guess what. This sin is NOT pointed out as being "above" other sin, and your interpretation of scripture is quite skewed if that's what you think...but whatever, that's on you. The only one who is trying to justify and excuse sin is you. You are so quick to point out everyone else's (specifically those who disagree with you) while denying your own, which is why I called you a hypocrite before. I have never tried to "excuse" or "justify" any sin, so obviously you have difficulty not only interpreting Scripture, but what other people post as well. Be gone, flea.

 

[blue_ladybug]

So if they were introduced to it at some point prior in their lives before creating said kid, how would that explain exactly how someone would have the same disease that both parents struggled with? If no such thing as an alcoholic gene existed?

Not gonna repeat myself. Go read my previous reply again. The child can end up being an alcoholic because they try it for themselves and got hooked. Ain't no "alcoholic gene" involved, or YOU would be one. :/

 

[Mitspa]

You have been promoting the gay agenda since you came on this site..everyone who has read your post knows it. And yes this sin is pointed to in the scriptures above other sin and direct evidence of one that has been given over to a reprobate condition of the mind... Pointing to other sin as if you can justify or excuse this one is just false logic ...I don't see any threads where people are trying to justify and excuse other sins....do you?

Ummm...don't know what you're talking about, but I haven't promoted ANY agenda....so think whatever you want. And guess what. This sin is NOT pointed out as being "above" other sin, and your interpretation of scripture is quite skewed if that's what you think...but whatever, that's on you. The only one who is trying to justify and excuse sin is you. You are so quick to point out everyone else's (specifically those who disagree with you) while denying your own, which is why I called you a hypocrite before. I have never tried to "excuse" or "justify" any sin, so obviously you have difficulty not only interpreting Scripture, but what other people post as well. Be gone, flea.

Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

first of all where are you getting that I EVER said "living in sin" is acceptable to God?????? Oh, never mind, don't answer that. I know where. My point in the statement you quoted was that Sin is sin...no MATTER WHAT KIND. It's all the same. It ALL separates us from God...which is why I cannot fathom why M man is soooo focused on this particular sin as being held at a much higher level than all others. By doing so, he has excused his own extremely nasty attitude towards gay people, and that is what I cannot understand. He is UNABLE to guide them away from sin because He cannot even separate the "sin" from the "sinner" long enough to do so in a way that actually reflects Christ. That is my point. Umm...the "sexually immoral" can be saved from their sin. Just ask the woman caught in adultery...unless I'm just misunderstanding your meaning behind your statement. Jesus will forgive the worst of the worst sinners if they place their faith in Him and receive His forgiveness.

Sorry you don't like it. It's too easy for Christians to "tell tell tell" without having to put the effort in to place the "show" along with that. It's called in "in truth AND grace".

I am far from being against spreading the truth of the mercy paid by Christ, but I also am reading way too much posts about how gays can help being gay, that they are born gay, and that its not their fault.




Do you know what this leads to? It leads to young people who fall into homosexuality adopting the belief that they were literally born gay, and that if there is a God, He clearly made them that way, and that its His fault that they are gay, and if He hates them for it, He clearly an unjust and cruel God that they cant trust, and they then feel justified for hating Him.

I know this, because I have been there.


Telling them they were born that way, and that it cant be helped IS the gay agenda, that is what homosexual people want the world to believe, because its the obvious first step to leading people against God, and making everyone question Him.



God is not evil, He does not tempt anyone, and He is not tempted. I am here as someone who has lived this life myself, and Im being told that God made me do it. Anyone who preaches this is not working for God, but for the world. And it makes me angry to see even His followers spread a doctrine that sets up young minds against Him.

We sin not because we were created as sinners, as some people want to teach. But because we actively choose to sin. If we didnt make these choices ourselves, why would we be held accountable for them?

 

[jsr1221]

Not gonna repeat myself. Go read my previous reply again. The child can end up being an alcoholic because they try it for themselves and got hooked. Ain't no "alcoholic gene" involved, or YOU would be one. :/

I'm not one because I know I would be one if I decided to try it. Sorry Blue, but there is plenty of research and evidence that says otherwise. If you don't want to believe it, then it's your choice. And your very original post said that a child becomes addicted if the mother drinks while pregnant. Now it's something different. I usually agree with your posts, but this is something that really bothers me, having seen it first hand, and learning about it over and over again.

 

[jsr1221]

Only one question...do you believe the bible or this nonsense the world is teaching? Im assuming since the world is telling you its not really your fault ...you will believe the world ..."did God really say"

Let's see.. The world doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.. I've said we're all sinners and we all need to hear the truth of Jesus Christ... So you tell me. If that's me believing the world, then there must be something wrong if I believe Jesus Christ is our Savior. Because I can't be for both.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm not one because I know I would be one if I decided to try it. Sorry Blue, but there is plenty of research and evidence that says otherwise. If you don't want to believe it, then it's your choice.

So you believe a scientist over God, who btw, is THE ultimate scientist? Scientists only know so much, and there's alot that they only make guesses at. No offense, but how you can possibly believe God creates gay babies, or pedophile babies, or whatever, is beyond me. Give me a rational explanation as to WHY God would create homosexuality in us as babies, when he abhors it? That's practically giving us free license to sin, because hey, God made us gay. Or addicted, or a rapist, etc etc..

I was born brain-damaged, deprived of oxygen because I was held back at birth until the doctor got there. Does that make me retarded? I suppose you'll say yes. lol

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I'm not one because I know I would be one if I decided to try it. Sorry Blue, but there is plenty of research and evidence that says otherwise. If you don't want to believe it, then it's your choice. And your very original post said that a child becomes addicted if the mother drinks while pregnant. Now it's something different. I usually agree with your posts, but this is something that really bothers me, having seen it first hand, and learning about it over and over again.

jsr1221, how many alcoholics and drug addicts do you believe exist that dont have a family member, /somewhere/ down the line, who has been an addict as well?

How many families do you know personally and well that dont have someone who struggles with these issues?

And if it is a gene, why is it passed down so randomly? My father was an alcoholic, but neither my brother or I am, and there was no one else in his family that was, either.

And do you really refuse to believe some people just succeed against one temptation, and fail against another?


And Id like to see actual "scientific proof" that was not statistics. There are more black people in the US prison system than any other race of people.
Is this scientific evidence that the genetic makeup of black males truly makes them more violent and aggressive than any other kind of person? Would you honestly say this to people? Then why jump on the bandwagon of another "blame it on our genes" train?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Let's see.. The world doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.. I've said we're all sinners and we all need to hear the truth of Jesus Christ... So you tell me. If that's me believing the world, then there must be something wrong if I believe Jesus Christ is our Savior. Because I can't be for both.

If its not you, but actually youre genetic makeup, wouldnt that be a "born this way" kinda thing?

And if it is, then wouldnt that have come from your creation?

Wouldnt that make the Creator the one to blame for our sins?


How do you think God feels about this doctrine?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I suppose I don't really have epilepsy. I must just be full of demons, as some on here have told me.. :/ lol

 

[jsr1221]

So you believe a scientist over God, who btw, is THE ultimate scientist? Scientists only know so much, and there's alot that they only make guesses at. No offense, but how you can possibly believe God creates gay babies, or pedophile babies, or whatever, is beyond me. Give me a rational explanation as to WHY God would create homosexuality in us as babies, when he abhors it? That's practically giving us free license to sin, because hey, God made us gay. Or addicted, or a rapist, etc etc..

I was born brain-damaged, deprived of oxygen because I was held back at birth until the doctor got there. Does that make me retarded? I suppose you'll say yes. lol

Like I've said, I don't know if God creates gays. Is it my job to find out? Absolutely not. My job, and your job, and everyone else's job is to tell those nonbelievers about Jesus Christ. Do I believe it's possible to be born gay? Yes, because I don't believe every single gay person becomes that way due to a social or environmental factor. Do I believe it's a majority? No, I don't. I believe there's an exception to every rule, and some stuff happens during pregnancies that can't be explained. That is a fact. You see what this topic is doing? It's splitting hairs, causing Satan to laugh and roll around on the floor. Like I've said, whether a person is born gay or not born gay, does not change the fact the person needs Jesus to help them with their sin, just like you need Him for your sins. Just like I need Him for my sins. Just like everyone else needs Him. And let's lay off the passive-aggressiveness. You're better than that. No need to be rolling eyes. Let's have a mature discussion.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Like I've said, I don't know if God creates gays. Is it my job to find out? Absolutely not. My job, and your job, and everyone else's job is to tell those nonbelievers about Jesus Christ. Do I believe it's possible to be born gay? Yes, because I don't believe every single gay person becomes that way due to a social or environmental factor. Do I believe it's a majority? No, I don't. I believe there's an exception to every rule, and some stuff happens during pregnancies that can't be explained. That is a fact. You see what this topic is doing? It's splitting hairs, causing Satan to laugh and roll around on the floor. Like I've said, whether a person is born gay or not born gay, does not change the fact the person needs Jesus to help them with their sin, just like you need Him for your sins. Just like I need Him for my sins. Just like everyone else needs Him.

I have no doubt that they need Jesus. They definitely need him. I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm just gonna respectfully disagree with you on the point that God creates gay babies.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Like I've said, I don't know if God creates gays. Is it my job to find out? Absolutely not. My job, and your job, and everyone else's job is to tell those nonbelievers about Jesus Christ. Do I believe it's possible to be born gay? Yes, because I don't believe every single gay person becomes that way due to a social or environmental factor. Do I believe it's a majority? No, I don't. I believe there's an exception to every rule, and some stuff happens during pregnancies that can't be explained. That is a fact. You see what this topic is doing? It's splitting hairs, causing Satan to laugh and roll around on the floor. Like I've said, whether a person is born gay or not born gay, does not change the fact the person needs Jesus to help them with their sin, just like you need Him for your sins. Just like I need Him for my sins. Just like everyone else needs Him.

If I were born gay, would it be my fault that I lived that way? Would I be in sin for something I cant control?


I mean, if God made me gay, doesnt that mean /He/ tempted me with homosexuality?

So, doesnt that make God the one guilty for my sins?



Instead of trying to defend your comments here, please actually thing about this. Being someone who hasnt lived that life, you have no idea what youre telling young minds by telling them they were born that way.
Its one thing to be loving, its another thing to support sin. And telling them theyre born that way is supportive, even if you tell them to come to Christ, you have removed all responsibility from them, and gave them the idea that they cant help but act out on it, because its just who they are.

EDIT: And the bible tells you whether or not they were born that way, read the verses Mitspa has shared about men following their passions, and God giving them away to them in return.

 

[jsr1221]

jsr1221, how many alcoholics and drug addicts do you believe exist that dont have a family member, /somewhere/ down the line, who has been an addict as well?

How many families do you know personally and well that dont have someone who struggles with these issues?

And if it is a gene, why is it passed down so randomly? My father was an alcoholic, but neither my brother or I am, and there was no one else in his family that was, either.

And do you really refuse to believe some people just succeed against one temptation, and fail against another?


And Id like to see actual "scientific proof" that was not statistics. There are more black people in the US prison system than any other race of people.
Is this scientific evidence that the genetic makeup of black males truly makes them more violent and aggressive than any other kind of person? Would you honestly say this to people? Then why jump on the bandwagon of another "blame it on our genes" train?

I'll address the highlighted bold simply because I still have school work due by midnight and don't have time for this, but do I believe some people succeed with one temptation but fail with another? Absolutely. Why? Because I've never struggled with alcoholism because I have never put myself in that position because I have seen what it did to my family and the same thing would have happened to me. What have I struggled with, though? Pornography. Now is there something such a pornography gene? Of course not. It's something that I stupidly turned to as an escape, rather than turning to drugs and alcohol. That became my addiction.

 

[blue_ladybug]

If I were born gay, would it be my fault that I lived that way? Would I be in sin for something I cant control?


I mean, if God made me gay, doesnt that mean /He/ tempted me with homosexuality?

So, doesnt that make God the one guilty for my sins?



Instead of trying to defend your comments here, please actually thing about this. Being someone who hasnt lived that life, you have no idea what youre telling young minds by telling them they were born that way.
Its one thing to be loving, its another thing to support sin. And telling them theyre born that way is supportive, even if you tell them to come to Christ, you have removed all responsibility from them, and gave them the idea that they cant help but act out on it, because its just who they are.

Furthermore, if God creates us gay, or whatever, then how can he judge us on that sin when he GAVE IT TO US? That's like saying, hey you get a pass on sin, but I'll judge everyone else. :/ I don't rely on what scientists know, I rely on what GOD knows. Sorry to burst the bubble, but scientists ARE NOT GOD.

 

[KennethC]

Well I have seen this discussion and I come from a line of alcoholics in my family.

My dad was a major one who even kept a 12 pack of beer on ice in the back of his truck so that he could start drinking soon as he got off work. My mom also drank a lot in her life even though it was not as much as my dad.

I have other family members that are alcoholics as well, but as for me and my 3 older sisters only one of us is an alcoholic !!!

I have a drink 2 to 3 times a year and it has no control over me, and my 2 oldest sisters are the same way. So I don't believe in such thing as a alcoholic gene as that is just another way of passing the blame for ones own problems !!!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I'll address the highlighted bold simply because I still have school work due by midnight and don't have time for this, but do I believe some people succeed with one temptation but fail with another? Absolutely. Why? Because I've never struggled with alcoholism because I have never put myself in that position because I have seen what it did to my family and the same thing would have happened to me. What have I struggled with, though? Pornography. Now is there something such a pornography gene? Of course not. It's something that I stupidly turned to as an escape, rather than turning to drugs and alcohol. That became my addiction.

Then why would drugs and alcohol be any different?

Im sure youve had other family members who have dealt with this struggle too. But like you said, you werent forced into it, you gave yourself up to it, like we all have, and did it yourself.


Thats what Im trying to say, I didnt live that way because my brain forced me into it, I did it because I was tempted, gave into it, and gave myself up to it entirely.


Im not pushing hate on anyone, but I know how dangerous this doctrine is.

 

[KennethC]

Well I have seen this discussion and I come from a line of alcoholics in my family.

My dad was a major one who even kept a 12 pack of beer on ice in the back of his truck so that he could start drinking soon as he got off work. My mom also drank a lot in her life even though it was not as much as my dad.

I have other family members that are alcoholics as well, but as for me and my 3 older sisters only one of us is an alcoholic !!!

I have a drink 2 to 3 times a year and it has no control over me, and my 2 oldest sisters are the same way. So I don't believe in such thing as a alcoholic gene as that is just another way of passing the blame for ones own problems !!!

As this applies to the topic at hand about gay marriage, the bible gives a number of examples of those who disobey the laws of the land to stay firm in God's ways.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Furthermore, if God creates us gay, or whatever, then how can he judge us on that sin when he GAVE IT TO US? That's like saying, hey you get a pass on sin, but I'll judge everyone else. :/ I don't rely on what scientists know, I rely on what GOD knows. Sorry to burst the bubble, but scientists ARE NOT GOD.

"Nonsense is nonsense, even when spoken by famous scientist"


I really like this quote

Scientist are human beings, just like us. And they sin just like us, and they rebel just like us, and they try to justify their sins just like us.


If we cant have faith in ourselves, why put it in others who are in every way our equals?