When did Christ save you?
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It may have been thought of and decided before the foundation of the world but it still had not been accomplished.
I'm afraid this attitude will detract from the actual death and resurrection of Christ as a secondary issue.
1Co 2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
1Co 15:1-4 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, (2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. (3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, (4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
I'm afraid this attitude will detract from the actual death and resurrection of Christ as a secondary issue.
1Co 2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
1Co 15:1-4 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, (2) and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. (3) For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, (4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
Good observation...perhaps they believe that eventually they will change their mind and give in to the love of God?
Some are going into the lake of fire for sure...and I believe it will be those that choose to refuse the salvation that is theirs in Christ.
It's obvious that in Adam the many ( which was every person after Adam ) people were made sinners..in the same way...the same the many ( it's the same "many" )are made righteous in Christ. The many of Adam are the all of Christ. It is obvious too that some reject what is theirs already...of course to their peril ( at least it seems that way from scriptures )
Romans 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Some are going into the lake of fire for sure...and I believe it will be those that choose to refuse the salvation that is theirs in Christ.
It's obvious that in Adam the many ( which was every person after Adam ) people were made sinners..in the same way...the same the many ( it's the same "many" )are made righteous in Christ. The many of Adam are the all of Christ. It is obvious too that some reject what is theirs already...of course to their peril ( at least it seems that way from scriptures )
Romans 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Kinda like..God said His works were finished from the foundation of the world.....but they have to be walked out..received...participate in with Him....
Hebrews 4:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
God through Christ has made us righteous now and we are called saints now! We were sinners before we got saved and Yes..thank God that we are now the righteousness of God in Him!!!!
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
He took our sin and we get His righteousness! What a deal!!! Thank you Jesus!!!!!!
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
He took our sin and we get His righteousness! What a deal!!! Thank you Jesus!!!!!!
I don't have a clue!..lol
I do know God said in Heb 4:3 " although His works were finished from the foundation of the world"
He might know something that we don't?..could be a thought...or maybe He "sees" things differently then we do..I heard He does know stuff!!...and it gets worse...apparently we can't figure "stuff" out with our natural mind..
1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
And He has the habit of " and calleth those things which be not as though they were." ..He's definitely different....
I do know God said in Heb 4:3 " although His works were finished from the foundation of the world"
He might know something that we don't?..could be a thought...or maybe He "sees" things differently then we do..I heard He does know stuff!!...and it gets worse...apparently we can't figure "stuff" out with our natural mind..
1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
And He has the habit of " and calleth those things which be not as though they were." ..He's definitely different....
OIC, Christ sat down after accomplishing salvation for us before the foundation of the world....Then got up again 2000 years ago to do it all over again.
I am sincerely and genuinely asking you to decide when Christ saved me.
At the age of ten I responded to an altar call to become a christian. As a result of this I became conscious of my sin before God for the first time in my life. This was not based on reading the letter but inner knowledge and conviction. Therefore, the law God required me to keep had been placed in my most inward parts as happens under the new covenant. However, I did not live under grace, but in effect under law. As a christian I only had half a covenant in reality.
It was not until I was 20 I learnt of grace. Then I had the full covenant
So when was I saved, at ten or twenty?
If you are saved when the law is placed within you- if you are then born again of the spirit I was saved at ten. If you have to know you are under grace- not law I was saved at twenty.
I have my own views obviously, but like to hear others
Exactly! good point!...and if He did not finish it before the foundation of the world as He said.....well He never would have come...but it's a done deal..it's a complete and awesome salvation which shows His great love for us!
Isn't our Lord awesome? Hey..let's plan on getting together with Him in heaven and ask Him how He finished it before the world came into being?
In the meantime we can cast the devils out of people when they show up as He said to do.
Isn't our Lord awesome? Hey..let's plan on getting together with Him in heaven and ask Him how He finished it before the world came into being?
In the meantime we can cast the devils out of people when they show up as He said to do.
I got it because we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world....Christ was slain before the foundation of the world...We are in Him..He is in us..
...but if you can show me how Christ was slain before the foundation of the world..you might find the answers of how us believers were there too....at any rate..I'm still waiting for them devils to show themselves as get rid of those things just as our Lord said...as you said we should focus on what we do know!..great wisdom!
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
Please don't ask me if I believe Christ is a real Lamb...lol
...but if you can show me how Christ was slain before the foundation of the world..you might find the answers of how us believers were there too....at any rate..I'm still waiting for them devils to show themselves as get rid of those things just as our Lord said...as you said we should focus on what we do know!..great wisdom!
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
Please don't ask me if I believe Christ is a real Lamb...lol