A study on the ten commandments

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JesusLives

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#81
Originally Posted by JFSurvivor
I have a few questions

5) What is an idol?


JesusLives Reply
~an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship. Anything you put in place of God to worship or esteem as more important than. Could be and object, person, etc. God wants the number one place in our hearts not second place.

Exodus 20:4"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
 

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#82
Originally Posted by JFSurvivor
I have a few questions

6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)

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Exodus 20:[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

God still wants our love and devotion today He wants us to love Him with all our hearts.
Matthew 22:37And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
 

JFSurvivor

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#83
Originally Posted by JFSurvivor
I have a few questions


3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?

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Revelation 11:
19And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Hebrews 9:4 states that the Ark contained "the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.

I am not sure that Revelation stated the contents of the Ark of the Covenant but the contents are listed in Hebrews. The only tablets I know of were the 10 Commandments written on stone.

I know that when Jesus died that the sacrificial laws were not effective anymore because Jesus was our sacrifice and we no longer need to kill animals for the remission of sin. Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for us. I don't know about the 600 mosaic laws and admit I don't know or have all the answers.

Romans 5:~[SUP]18 [/SUP]Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

You and Billyd are officially my favoirte posters because you are taking the time to answer my questions and it means sooo much to me and on top of that the both of you are being respectful about it!!!!! :-D You guys rock! I'm going to go through each of your responses and take a really long time to think about what you have said and then I'm going to do my best to respond in a respectful, intelligent, and polite manner. :-D *hugs*
 
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I have a few questions

1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?
All the commandments are good principles for us to live by so that would be a Christians's WALK. The Lord is our Sabbath - in him we find our rest although I do believe that it does a body good to rest - just common sense. Coveting is wanting what belongs to someone else - why should we talk about it? NONE of this has anything to do with our salvation. . . but has to do with our walk after we are born again. NONE of these things make you a child of God . . .
2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?
As in response to #1 - all the commandments are good principles for us to live by . . . .
3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?
Well, I don't know why in Revelation it speaks of the ark of the covenant - I haven't ever really seen an ark of the covenant and do not believe that it is relative to the body of Christ. . .
4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?
The ten commandments as well as the other 603 laws in Leviticus were written to show the children of Israel how to live before God. As I said they are very good principles for a Christians WALK but obeying them does not earn us righteousness.
Once we have answered 1-4 I wanna go into more detail about the ten commandments.

5) What is an idol?
An idol is anything one puts before God. A "lucky rabbit's foot" can be an idol if one looks to it or trust it to bring about good instead of going to God.
6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)
The last I looked the second commandment was - "You shall love your neighbor as yourself"
7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?
Wanting what someone else has - we avoid it by not wanting what others have - we learn to be content in whatever state we are in - . . .
8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them? Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?
No one before us (except the perfect Son of God) was able to keep the ten commandments nor the rest of the law for salvation - Jesus Christ came to redeem us from the curse of the law and make salvation possible through faith in him. The ten commandments were given to Moses along with the other 603 laws - God gave them to Moses to give to the children of Israel as rules to live by and in the OT that is how they were to achieve righteousness by obedience to the law - ALL THE LAW. Deut. 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. The ten commandments are considered the Mosaic law because they were given to Moses to give to the children of Israel.
That's all I have for now. Please pray before posting and keep it civil. None of these questions are sarcastic in any way. I am looking for honest answers for all of them.

Thanks.
Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matt. 22:36-40

ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS HANG ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS . . . . hang - kremannymi -

  1. to hang up, suspend
  2. to be suspended, to hang
    1. used of one hanging on a cross
    2. used of the Law and the Prophets, they are summed up or hanging on two precepts
 

JesusLives

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#85
Originally Posted by JFSurvivor
I have a few questions

7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?

JesusLives Reply

Wanting what someone else has, husband, wife, house, any thing, their personality, their lifestyle....etc. Basically not being content with what you have.

How can we avoid it? Pray God will help you to be content with what you have and that He has blessed you with.

Philippians 4:~12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need.13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.
 
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I have a few questions

1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?


The Sabbath was made for us, I think we should rest on Saturday. Sadly I fear people have misrepresented what the sabaath is, and that is what causes the confusion. (it is not the day we go to church in other words)

The commands are imporartant, as they show us our sin, and our need for Christ.


2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?


I think I mentioned it earlier when I was responding to something someone said. Yes we should, but can we. And how do we do this,, I think those are more important questions.

3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?


remember, The ARK represents the mercy seat. When the blood is splattered over the ark, When the cherub look down, they can not see what is brought against us (these commands are against us, because we can not keep them, thus we are cursed because of them, the price of redemption covers the curse. as paul said in Galatian's.

However, in rev, I am not sure the ark is the same ark.


4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?



As a symbol. the mercy seat. see above. Sorry, I should have combined these two.

Once we have answered 1-4 I wanna go into more detail about the ten commandments.

5) What is an idol?


An idol in reality is anything which takes us away from God. We can have physical idols. like carved images, or other idols. Like an addiction. (money, games, etc)

6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)
Yes it still applies.
7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?
It means you selfishly want what your neighbor has, Your jealous of them, or you feel you have to go buy something to up your neighbor.

The only way to avoid it is to love your neighbor (Gods love not ours)


8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them?

It is impossible. we can not even obey the first one 24/7.


Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?
They say more than this. They do nto even tell us how to obey them. they just give us a guideline to show us if we did ot or not. ie, they prove us guilty
That's all I have for now. Please pray before posting and keep it civil. None of these questions are sarcastic in any way. I am looking for honest answers for all of them.

Thanks.

I do not think you have ever been sarcastic or uncivil. I only pray I helped to answer what I see in a way you can understand, if not, please ask.
 

JesusLives

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#87
Originally Posted by JFSurvivor
I have a few questions

8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them? Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?

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The truth of the matter is that we are incapable of keeping the 10 Commandments.

Believe me I tried and tried on my own and it earned me a rotating door on the church because I was in and out of church trying so hard to keep the commandments. I learned that I fail.

But then I cried out to God when I was 56 years old and said I am not good enough and I will never be good enough and God confirmed what I said, but He said to me - But Darlene, that is why I sent My Son Jesus to die for your sins so instead of seeing your sinfulness His blood covers you and I see His perfect life. I said it is that simple and He said yes, it is that simple.

When we come to Jesus and repent asking Him to forgive us He gives us His Holy Spirit who dwells within us and Jesus does what we aren't able to do for ourselves. We are saved by His grace it is the gift of God.

We become a new creation and His laws are written on our hearts.

2 Corinthians 5:~17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

Revelation 21:5And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."

I personally don't see the law as restricting, I see it as a law of love and freedom. Sin and transgressing against God's law is sin and death it chains us to being a slave to sin, but God's law frees us to love and live a life of freedom and abundance loving God and our fellow man. God's law still stand in honor of Him and His ideals today. In Isaiah it says -

Isaiah 66:[SUP]22 [/SUP]“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure.23"And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.
 
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JFSurvivor

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I'll answer your questions in order.

1a. Are all the commandments important? Yes, they are written in the entirety in scripture twice, an referenced many times.

1b. Why is the Sabbath day deemed as unimportant? It is not deemed unimportant. The discussion today is primarily and the day and how we celebrate it. Deu 5:13 and 14a. says "Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God". For me that day has always been Sunday because my work week ends on Saturday. For others they choose Saturday for their Sabbath because they try to maintain the same day as in the days of Moses. I have no problem with that. If we take the commandment at face value, we must work six days. I think that most people today don't do that. We must also cease any work in our household. I don't think that many of us do that. Col 2:16 says "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:". If you are comfortable with the way that you are remembering the Sabbath, and you feel that God is telling you to remember it that way, then by all means do it that way.

1c. Why does no one talk about not coveting either? I'll leave that to you.

2. Should we still obey all of the commandments today? Yes. Do we need to keep a running check list? No.(totally agree with you here!) If we follow Jesus, and love as He love us, then there is no doubt that you will keep the commandments. (I sorta agree and kinda don't. Well first let me as this: do all the ten commandments come naturally to you?) Is our Salvation dependent on how well we keep them? No. John 3:16. (Totally agree here, however it is an issue of the heart. As you stated, the mosaic law was put in place to show us how to keep the ten commandments but the mosaic law was done away with. Now we have the ten commandments and we don't HAVE to keep them but just like we don't HAVE to pray to God. Praying to God doesn't determine our salvation but it is part of what God has asked us to do, what he has invited us to do. Can't the same be said of the ten commandments? The ten commandments are not used to keep score, they are another methode of expressing our faith and love for our creator. It's like prayer. Is prayer optional? I don't THINK it is, even if it won't get you to heaven...does this make any sense? I'm trying not to sound leagalistic but honestly I don't see the ten commandments as legalism. I see them as another way to tell God I love him and I follow them because I believe in Jesus's sacrifice. If I didn't believe Jesus's blood were enough...I would have no reason to follow them, just like I would have no reason to pray.)

3. Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws? IMHO and I believe supported by scripture, the Mosaic Laws are provided to tell the Israelites how to keep the commandments. (agreed) Jesus replaced them wit the love commandment when he fulfilled the letter of the law as our sacrifice on the cross. (Why would he replace them and the other 600 if they were seen again in the throne room of God? I'm not trying to be confrontational. I honestly want to hear your thoughts.) :)

4. Why were the ten commandments set apart, written by Gods own hand in stone, and then put in a really pretty box? I believe that my answer to 3. answers this. The "pretty box" was to remind His people that He was and would be with them. I would ask you this. Why did God take back the "pretty box" and let His Son die a terrible death on a cross? (I think he took back the box because the ten commandments were really really really important and because there was no need for them in stone on earth in the ark but that doesn't mean there was no need for them. The isrialites had to carry the Ark with them wherever they went and it was HEAVY. I would imagine it was a huge burden, along with those 600 other rules and regulations. God took back the box and Jesus died on the cross to lift the burden of the 600 laws and the physical burden of the Ark. I think God left the ten commandments to be impressed on our hearts; ALL of the commandments, 1-10. So that we have the freedom in Christ of obeying them or not. So that these commands could help us turn from fleshy sin and please God. On the sermon on the mount Jesus wasn't replacing the ten commandments. He was clarifying them. The ten commandments are so much more than "do this, don't do that" they can be summed up to love God and love your neighbor. But "summed" up is different than "replaced". Jesus never said "I replace these ten commands with two new ones". So there's my rant lo :p

5. What is an idol? IMHO, anything that we worship other than God. I'll leave the rest to your imagination. I'm sure that we can look around where we are sitting and identify many that we may now or have in the past worshiped. See Deu 5:8-9. (So then what does it mean to "worship" something?)

I hope that I have answered your questions. (You have! Thank you so much!)
My responses are in blue.

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Verse ten is good:

For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
Now read verse 11

For he who said. Do not commit adultery also said do not murder. If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder you have become a law breaker


Do you perfectly obey the law without stumbling at just one point?

If you don't, you are guilty of breaking the whole law-all of it
Context is good!
That includes you. Do you keep all the law? If not you are guilty of all. Because he is referring to the ten commandments then it inludes the 4th.
 
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That includes you. Do you keep all the law? If not you are guilty of all. Because he is referring to the ten commandments then it inludes the 4th.
He was using an example that if you break one law you have broken them all

No, I don't follow the written code. U der the new covenant the christian is not to do that according to the bible.

But then, as I have no conscience at not specifically observing a Saturday sabbath you must believe I am not a christian anyway
 
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He was using an example that if you break one law you have broken them all

No, I don't follow the written code. U der the new covenant the christian is not to do that according to the bible.

But then, as I have no conscience at not specifically observing a Saturday sabbath you must believe I am not a christian anyway
What you follow is written in the Bible, unless you follow your own opinions and feelings.
 
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What you follow is written in the Bibke, unless you follow your own opinions and feelings.
The written code is the literal letter of the law.

The bible tells us to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code.
As I told you, I follow the new covenant, not the old one
 
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The whole Christian life is based on the gospel of the grace of Jesus our Lord.

Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
 
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You and Billyd are officially my favoirte posters because you are taking the time to answer my questions and it means sooo much to me and on top of that the both of you are being respectful about it!!!!! :-D You guys rock! I'm going to go through each of your responses and take a really long time to think about what you have said and then I'm going to do my best to respond in a respectful, intelligent, and polite manner. :-D *hugs*
*hugs* just wanted to give you one for the heck of it :)
 
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Laodicea

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The written code is the literal letter of the law.

The bible tells us to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code.
As I told you, I follow the new covenant, not the old one
So then your doctrine is not based on the Bible but rather what you think the Holy Spirit tells you.
 
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So then your doctrine is not based on the Bible but rather what you think the Holy Spirit tells you.
The doctrine of the bible under the new covenant is to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code

I have already pointed out to you, if you could perfectly obey the ten commandments you could still be condemned to hell, but you are not listening.
 
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Laodicea

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The doctrine of the bible under the new covenant is to follow after the holy spirit, not the written code

I have already pointed out to you, if you could perfectly obey the ten commandments you could still be condemned to hell, but you are not listening.
So if there is a difference between what the Bible says and what you think the Holy Spirit says then you go with what you think the Holy Spirit tells you not what is in the Bible. A very dangerous doctrine you follow.
 
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So if there is a difference between what the Bible says and what you think the Holy Spirit says then you go with what you think the Holy Spirit tells you not what is in the Bible. A very dangerous doctrine you follow.
You are the one refusing to obey biblical doctrine under the new covenant, not me
 
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Laodicea

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You are the one refusing to obey biblical doctrine under the new covenant, not me
So now you say we should follow the Bible? Before you said you do not follow what is written, you follow what you think the Holy Spirit tells you.

So what is first? The written word of God in the Bible or what you think the Holy Spirit tells you?
 
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So now you say we should follow the Bible? Before you said you do not follow what is written, you follow what you think the Holy Spirit tells you.

So what is first? The written word of God in the Bible or what you think the Holy Spirit tells you?
I follow the bible
The christian is called to follow after the holy spirit not the written code of the law rom7:6