Healing: A Question to Ponder
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Yes brother, so true.
And guess what, a lot of Christians won't accept what the Word says on certain issues and in this case healing, but instead trust and put their own negative experience ABOVE the Word of God as the final authority... just like the Jews who had the Mishna and Gamara above the Torah, th Catholic Church has it's church tradiations and the Mormons their book of Mormon as a second final authority...
so also have many adjusted the Word of God to line it up with their experience be it negative, for those for have prayed withour result, and for those who had wacko crazy supernatural experiences like a friend of mine that claims he has converted a demon back to an angel.
In the end it comes to one and one thing only. If your experience doesn't line up with the Word of God it is a lie as their can be only only Truth out there and Jesus was clear when He said in John 17, Thy Word is Truth.
Most people who call this garbage have unfortunately never grabbed hold of faith and know how to apply it like the Word tell us to in Mark 11:24. To thank the Lord that we have received it before seeing it.
Jesus rebuked His disciples and said how long do I have to bear with you in Matthew 17:20 when they could not heal the boy and He told them it was because of their little faith. How non political correct was that Jesus? Most of us love to take all the parts out that put the responsibility back on us to have faith. Don't not be like a wave on the sea tossed to and fro it says or you won't receive anything is another one. He who comes to God must believe He exits and He is a rewarder who diligently seek Him. Not those who give up and who are so used to get everything instant like their coffee
WE should never accuse others for having not enough faith(although Jesus did ;-)..... but I believe we should instead take our responsilbility as the prayer for our own faith in God to come through. Yes, we all lost some battles and loved ones me included but that doesn't not mean God has changed as He has settled His Word even above His own Name so who are we that we think our truth is higher?
Some people would even call that magic, the fact that our faith or influence can change God (but Moses did under the OT) not realizing that it so easy have an acceptance of an historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead a few thousands years ago (just like evolutionist say million and millions of yrs ago) but that it is a very inconsistent faith not to believe that God Still Does heal, casts out devils and heals the sick today through His children (just like He did through the 70, the 12 and many others) who take hold of this truth violently by forces as it is written and use their God given authority.
Thanks for your post brother and keep speaking the Word of God! Power and glory!
And guess what, a lot of Christians won't accept what the Word says on certain issues and in this case healing, but instead trust and put their own negative experience ABOVE the Word of God as the final authority... just like the Jews who had the Mishna and Gamara above the Torah, th Catholic Church has it's church tradiations and the Mormons their book of Mormon as a second final authority...
so also have many adjusted the Word of God to line it up with their experience be it negative, for those for have prayed withour result, and for those who had wacko crazy supernatural experiences like a friend of mine that claims he has converted a demon back to an angel.
In the end it comes to one and one thing only. If your experience doesn't line up with the Word of God it is a lie as their can be only only Truth out there and Jesus was clear when He said in John 17, Thy Word is Truth.
Most people who call this garbage have unfortunately never grabbed hold of faith and know how to apply it like the Word tell us to in Mark 11:24. To thank the Lord that we have received it before seeing it.
Jesus rebuked His disciples and said how long do I have to bear with you in Matthew 17:20 when they could not heal the boy and He told them it was because of their little faith. How non political correct was that Jesus? Most of us love to take all the parts out that put the responsibility back on us to have faith. Don't not be like a wave on the sea tossed to and fro it says or you won't receive anything is another one. He who comes to God must believe He exits and He is a rewarder who diligently seek Him. Not those who give up and who are so used to get everything instant like their coffee
WE should never accuse others for having not enough faith(although Jesus did ;-)..... but I believe we should instead take our responsilbility as the prayer for our own faith in God to come through. Yes, we all lost some battles and loved ones me included but that doesn't not mean God has changed as He has settled His Word even above His own Name so who are we that we think our truth is higher?Some people would even call that magic, the fact that our faith or influence can change God (but Moses did under the OT) not realizing that it so easy have an acceptance of an historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead a few thousands years ago (just like evolutionist say million and millions of yrs ago) but that it is a very inconsistent faith not to believe that God Still Does heal, casts out devils and heals the sick today through His children (just like He did through the 70, the 12 and many others) who take hold of this truth violently by forces as it is written and use their God given authority.
Thanks for your post brother and keep speaking the Word of God! Power and glory!
S
I know this isn't addressed to me, but what you said brought to my mind something that I have recently been wondering about. Would the same people who claim gifts have ceased, also agree that this following scripture only applies to those who were present when gifts existed?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Will they be consistent and say that either both or neither apply?
I suppose that they may argue that the "many wonderful works" could include many other things. But would Jesus give only 3 examples, while specifying just the 2 that only applied for such a short period of time? I cannot be for certain, but it seems unlikely. What will they suggest that these wonderful works were? Helping a little old lady across the street or something supernatural? Such an act would definitely qualify as a good work, but a 'wonderful work'??
You too keep contending for the faith.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Will they be consistent and say that either both or neither apply?
I suppose that they may argue that the "many wonderful works" could include many other things. But would Jesus give only 3 examples, while specifying just the 2 that only applied for such a short period of time? I cannot be for certain, but it seems unlikely. What will they suggest that these wonderful works were? Helping a little old lady across the street or something supernatural? Such an act would definitely qualify as a good work, but a 'wonderful work'??
You too keep contending for the faith.
S
That would work. I'm in SE Texas primarily. Headed to Oklahoma next week. Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
But having said that, I am usually 'blowing and going' through town and often at odd hours. However, I am on the verge of relocating there again. Which, of course, would remove all scheduling issues.
Lets let it ride for now and see what develops? And I guess we should take this private at some point? FWIW, I am looking altering my normal path and swinging through more NE Texas (Paris) this next trip. Just earlier in the week learned to soe relatives moved there and we need to reconnect.
But having said that, I am usually 'blowing and going' through town and often at odd hours. However, I am on the verge of relocating there again. Which, of course, would remove all scheduling issues.
Lets let it ride for now and see what develops? And I guess we should take this private at some point? FWIW, I am looking altering my normal path and swinging through more NE Texas (Paris) this next trip. Just earlier in the week learned to soe relatives moved there and we need to reconnect.
P
Dear sister,
I (Natascha, Planitsoon's wife) read your post and I am so sorry for your painful journey. I was personally raised in a family where my father had a healing ministry. I have seen instant miracles, I have seen people being healed after lots of prayer and a long time struggle and I also have seen a lot of people that received a lot of prayer and not receive healing at all while we really needed to see them healed. I understand that it is very hard to believe in instant healing if you have never seen it for yourself. I have had cancer myself and have 5 kids to raise. They told me it went through my whole body. It was hard for me because I have seen instant miracles but also for me it did not happen. I felt my body weaken and I could not believe this was happening to me. I know what it is to go through tears and begging and prayer from others and see nothing happen. I know the loneliness and despair. Also I screamed and cried out to God although I saw many being healed through my own prayer. I had prophecy's and visions when I was young. And thought my faith in God was amazing. Then the time of pain came and I felt lonely and fearful. But although I truly suffered for more than a year and could barely move I knew that instant miracles happen but not for me on that moment. People came to me and said you don't have enough faith as if I needed to hear that. Bull.... that makes me always so angry and always has. I always say, if you have such a big faith than you pray for me. Instead of taking in out on the sufferer. I told a friend of mine you talk like your father the Devil. And I meant it and still do. How can you accuse a sufferer of being a victim. It always made me furious and especially when I was myself in that situation. If I pray for people, I take responsibility and if it does not work I know that I have to grow more. So hey I understand a little where you come from and I can see your heart and love that you don't blame God. I didn't blame Him ever either but I do blame the body of Christ who is not strong enough to protect there own. My husband found a natural way for me to get healed praise God. And we learned a lot in that time. The word WHY is still there but I believe that if others don't have the answer I'm going to look for it myself and I pray that God will give me the revelation and wisdom. I have seen people die that were not supposed to die and I have a lot of questions too, but the biggest problem with this all I believe is the body of Christ itself. We should be stronger and care more for another and those who can, should stand for those who can't. I pray with all of my heart looking back of how I felt and many others with you in times of pain and despair and torture. That we (I) will grow so strong one day that we can carry one another and will see the will of God manifest in our lives the way it should be. We are born in a war, on a planet full of sickness, weakness and pollution. And we need each other as a backbone to lean on. I would love to pray for you and see how much mercy together we can receive to see you healed like many others have. You and me are not less than all those others who did receive healing. In Gods eyes we are all the same. Jesus died for them just as much as he died for you. I can so feel you frustration and anger and don't worry I understand, God understand I'm sure He is frustrated too just like Jesus was with His disciples when He said how long do I have to bear with you when they could not heal the boy that was thrown in the fire. I was angry too, not that it took any of my love and honour for God away. Not at all. Like you I did never put it on God. Last week I saw healing through our prayer again in different people because I will not stop. Although again I'm suffering from something new. I will keep on fighting for others and myself and look up to the only one who really understands what I feel. My Jesus, I knew in those time and still now that He is there for me and always will be. Although I do not have all the answers I know they are there and one day here or in Heaven I will know them. I would love to pray for you ladybleu. With tears in my eyes and heart I write this letter and hope that you won't give up your hope on God. Because on the end of the day He is all we have. It has never been Gods will for you to be sick I do not believe that at all. But I do know that you need a breakthrough and the enemy hates your guts and it is him who is giving you a bad time. You are still standing and still hoping I'm sure somewhere in your heart that your break through will come and the enemy will be cast out of your life. Thank you so much for sharing your heart I hope that I have sown a little hope in there again and want to tell you I will stand in prayer with you if you want.
Natascha
I (Natascha, Planitsoon's wife) read your post and I am so sorry for your painful journey. I was personally raised in a family where my father had a healing ministry. I have seen instant miracles, I have seen people being healed after lots of prayer and a long time struggle and I also have seen a lot of people that received a lot of prayer and not receive healing at all while we really needed to see them healed. I understand that it is very hard to believe in instant healing if you have never seen it for yourself. I have had cancer myself and have 5 kids to raise. They told me it went through my whole body. It was hard for me because I have seen instant miracles but also for me it did not happen. I felt my body weaken and I could not believe this was happening to me. I know what it is to go through tears and begging and prayer from others and see nothing happen. I know the loneliness and despair. Also I screamed and cried out to God although I saw many being healed through my own prayer. I had prophecy's and visions when I was young. And thought my faith in God was amazing. Then the time of pain came and I felt lonely and fearful. But although I truly suffered for more than a year and could barely move I knew that instant miracles happen but not for me on that moment. People came to me and said you don't have enough faith as if I needed to hear that. Bull.... that makes me always so angry and always has. I always say, if you have such a big faith than you pray for me. Instead of taking in out on the sufferer. I told a friend of mine you talk like your father the Devil. And I meant it and still do. How can you accuse a sufferer of being a victim. It always made me furious and especially when I was myself in that situation. If I pray for people, I take responsibility and if it does not work I know that I have to grow more. So hey I understand a little where you come from and I can see your heart and love that you don't blame God. I didn't blame Him ever either but I do blame the body of Christ who is not strong enough to protect there own. My husband found a natural way for me to get healed praise God. And we learned a lot in that time. The word WHY is still there but I believe that if others don't have the answer I'm going to look for it myself and I pray that God will give me the revelation and wisdom. I have seen people die that were not supposed to die and I have a lot of questions too, but the biggest problem with this all I believe is the body of Christ itself. We should be stronger and care more for another and those who can, should stand for those who can't. I pray with all of my heart looking back of how I felt and many others with you in times of pain and despair and torture. That we (I) will grow so strong one day that we can carry one another and will see the will of God manifest in our lives the way it should be. We are born in a war, on a planet full of sickness, weakness and pollution. And we need each other as a backbone to lean on. I would love to pray for you and see how much mercy together we can receive to see you healed like many others have. You and me are not less than all those others who did receive healing. In Gods eyes we are all the same. Jesus died for them just as much as he died for you. I can so feel you frustration and anger and don't worry I understand, God understand I'm sure He is frustrated too just like Jesus was with His disciples when He said how long do I have to bear with you when they could not heal the boy that was thrown in the fire. I was angry too, not that it took any of my love and honour for God away. Not at all. Like you I did never put it on God. Last week I saw healing through our prayer again in different people because I will not stop. Although again I'm suffering from something new. I will keep on fighting for others and myself and look up to the only one who really understands what I feel. My Jesus, I knew in those time and still now that He is there for me and always will be. Although I do not have all the answers I know they are there and one day here or in Heaven I will know them. I would love to pray for you ladybleu. With tears in my eyes and heart I write this letter and hope that you won't give up your hope on God. Because on the end of the day He is all we have. It has never been Gods will for you to be sick I do not believe that at all. But I do know that you need a breakthrough and the enemy hates your guts and it is him who is giving you a bad time. You are still standing and still hoping I'm sure somewhere in your heart that your break through will come and the enemy will be cast out of your life. Thank you so much for sharing your heart I hope that I have sown a little hope in there again and want to tell you I will stand in prayer with you if you want.
Natascha