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About the Palestinian Israeli conflict..
"who do you think is right?"...
When viewing propaganda that paints a picture that the Palestinians are merely innocent victims of Israeli aggression and occupation don't buy into it. There are 2 sides to every question.
Palestinian media openly promotes propaganda that teaches Palestinian Muslim children to kill Jews, (men,women,children, young or old) whenever possible. They are told they will become martyrs (held in high esteem among Muslims) and will enter paradise for attacking and killing innocent Israeli citizens.
Palestinian Media Watch
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Genesis 35:9-12
And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
12And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
"who do you think is right?"...
When viewing propaganda that paints a picture that the Palestinians are merely innocent victims of Israeli aggression and occupation don't buy into it. There are 2 sides to every question.
Palestinian media openly promotes propaganda that teaches Palestinian Muslim children to kill Jews, (men,women,children, young or old) whenever possible. They are told they will become martyrs (held in high esteem among Muslims) and will enter paradise for attacking and killing innocent Israeli citizens.
[video=youtube;sBtEDMsl_SM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBtEDMsl_SM&bpctr=1463173802[/video]
Palestinian Media Watch
Home Page|PMW
Genesis 35:9-12
And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
10And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
11And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
12And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
E
Who said it was accepted by God. Israel would still be in sin.. So your point is mute/
How would the abomination of desolation occure which starts the great tribulation? And do not say it occurred in 70 AD. it did not.
Um, 2 cor 6 is not prophesy, It is an OT truth being shown to represent a NT fact.
Nice try.
Go and learn what prophesy means. It means God says this will happen, It is fulfilled when that happens. In fact God said if a person prophesies and that things does not happen as it was said it is not from God
Nope that is a future event, Not present.
How would the abomination of desolation occure which starts the great tribulation? And do not say it occurred in 70 AD. it did not.
Um, 2 cor 6 is not prophesy, It is an OT truth being shown to represent a NT fact.
Nice try.
Go and learn what prophesy means. It means God says this will happen, It is fulfilled when that happens. In fact God said if a person prophesies and that things does not happen as it was said it is not from God
Nope that is a future event, Not present.
E
There are many variations of it.
Paul said Isreal was grafted in, Isreal can not be the tree, and also grafted in at the same time. A gentile is not grafted into Isreal. we are grafted into Christ.
Slack exegesis huh? I think you just made this up (or your church did)
You need to get sorted out on OT prophesy, revelation, and romans 11. Daniel would be a good place to start.
Also EG,
Wouldn't you say that the temple is no longer necessary? For the Church, anyway.
The temple was used for Teaching:
Jeremiah 31:34 says that they shall not teach again - each man his brother, for they shall all know Me.
John 16:13
The Holy Spirit will guide us to all truth.
It was used for Praying:
Mathew 6:5
Jesus said we are not to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners in order to be seen by men, but in our "inner room" and to pray to our Father in secret, and He will repay us.
It was used for Worship:
Philippians 2:9-10
Every knee shall bow at the exhalted name of Jesus.
John 4:24
God is spirit and must be worshipped in spirit.
Mathew 15:8
God does not want to be honored only with our lips, but with our heart.
It was used for the Sacrificial System:
Hebrews 9:12
Sacrifices are no longer necessary. Jesus was the true and last sacrifice.
AND
WE are now all invited into the Holy of Holies, not just the Priests.
The veil of the temple has been torn in two from top to bottom.
Mathew 27:51
Fran
Wouldn't you say that the temple is no longer necessary? For the Church, anyway.
The temple was used for Teaching:
Jeremiah 31:34 says that they shall not teach again - each man his brother, for they shall all know Me.
John 16:13
The Holy Spirit will guide us to all truth.
It was used for Praying:
Mathew 6:5
Jesus said we are not to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners in order to be seen by men, but in our "inner room" and to pray to our Father in secret, and He will repay us.
It was used for Worship:
Philippians 2:9-10
Every knee shall bow at the exhalted name of Jesus.
John 4:24
God is spirit and must be worshipped in spirit.
Mathew 15:8
God does not want to be honored only with our lips, but with our heart.
It was used for the Sacrificial System:
Hebrews 9:12
Sacrifices are no longer necessary. Jesus was the true and last sacrifice.
AND
WE are now all invited into the Holy of Holies, not just the Priests.
The veil of the temple has been torn in two from top to bottom.
Mathew 27:51
Fran
I call them national Israel to distinguish them from the true Israel which are the true chosen people. True Israel would be Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Giddeon and the rest of the Old Testament saints that believed God and it was counted to them as righteousness. That group would also include all believers before Christ and after Christ including us today. Those who believe God and it was counted to them as righteousness are God's elect, they are God's chosen people not National or flesh children of Israel. The children of the flesh are not the children of God.
I listened to Romans and Genesis (I cut 7 acres lol) and I still see it the same way... God cast away the fleshly descendants of Israel and Paul is affirming that even though God cast the flesh descendants of Israel away, he has not cast away the ones he chose out of fleshly Israel.
I listened to Romans and Genesis (I cut 7 acres lol) and I still see it the same way... God cast away the fleshly descendants of Israel and Paul is affirming that even though God cast the flesh descendants of Israel away, he has not cast away the ones he chose out of fleshly Israel.
L
Can The Jews Be Destroyed?
A Message For All Those
Who Say Israel Has No Future
(or a message for all Jew-haters determined
to try to use force
to insure that Israel has no future)
A Message For All Those
Who Say Israel Has No Future
(or a message for all Jew-haters determined
to try to use force
to insure that Israel has no future)
Replacement Theology --- This view teaches that the Church has permanently replaced Israel as the instrument through which God works and that natural Israel does not have a future in the plan and purpose of God. The many promises made to Israel in the Bible (especially the kingdom promises) are fulfilled in the Christian Church, in a non-literal way. The prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Land of Promise are "spiritualized" into promises of God's blessing for the Church. The prophecies of condemnation and judgment, however, still remain for national Israel.
Amillennialism --- This view harmonizes well with "replacement theology." It teaches that there will be no future kingdom. Rather, the kingdom promises are being fulfilled (in a non-literal way) by the church. The nation Israel will not enjoy a future millennial kingdom, nor will the Messiah rule over the world from an earthly Davidic throne in Jerusalem. The kingdom of God is being enjoyed today in the hearts of believers in a spiritual way, but the nation Israel has no future kingdom to look forward to.
God has given an unfailing formula for the destruction of Israel. If you want Israel to cease being a nation, then God has indicated exactly what must take place. Every Jew-hating Muslim and every anti-Semitic Arab who is bent upon the destruction of Israel should diligently study these passages of Scripture, for in them is the secret of Israel's demise.
Also every Christian leader who denies that the nation Israel has a wonderful future in their land, under their Messiah, according to all the kingdom prophecies given by the prophets, should give serious consideration to what God has said must happen if Israel is to cease being a nation before Him.
Jeremiah 31:35-37
Jeremiah 33:19-26
Jeremiah 23:5-8
God's Promise to Israel
For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished (Jeremiah 30:11).
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God is certainly not speaking to the Church in the Old Testament. He is speaking to the PHYSICAL descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. (Genesis 12:1-3, 7; Genesis 17:21; Genesis 26:3-6; Genesis 28: 12-16)
The Seed of Abraham is both the nation Israel and Jesus Christ (Luke 1:55; John 7:42; Acts 3:25; 7:5-6; 13:23; Romans 1:3; 4:13,16,18; 9:7-8,29; Galatians 3:16-29; 2 Timothy 2:8; Hebrews 11:18).
Deuteronomy 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.
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I'm saying that the flesh children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were never promised anything from God. The children of the flesh are not the children of God. The children of the promise which are the chosen ones are counted as the seed. This is given very clearly in Romans 9:7-8.
Romans 9:7-8 KJV
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 9:7-8 KJV
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Hi KJV
I don't have a position on this - on the fence, as they say.
What about Romans 11:1-3?
Paul is asking if God has rejected His people, the Jews. Paul answers by saying "Oh no, not at all."
Verse 4 goes on to speak of the remnant. There was always a remnant. Even today many Jews accept Jesus as Messiah.
So, maybe they would make up the new Church, the new Kingdom?
This also reminds me of the Marriage Feast.
Mathew 22:2-14
Some of the Jews were seated at the Wedding table, as were also those who were called from the outside (Gentiles), but all had to be properly dressed (Jesus).
Also, what about Mathew 8:31-42
Mathew 8:33-35
Mathew 8:39-40
Just thinking out loud.
Your thoughts?
Fran
I don't have a position on this - on the fence, as they say.
What about Romans 11:1-3?
Paul is asking if God has rejected His people, the Jews. Paul answers by saying "Oh no, not at all."
Verse 4 goes on to speak of the remnant. There was always a remnant. Even today many Jews accept Jesus as Messiah.
So, maybe they would make up the new Church, the new Kingdom?
This also reminds me of the Marriage Feast.
Mathew 22:2-14
Some of the Jews were seated at the Wedding table, as were also those who were called from the outside (Gentiles), but all had to be properly dressed (Jesus).
Also, what about Mathew 8:31-42
Mathew 8:33-35
Mathew 8:39-40
Just thinking out loud.
Your thoughts?
Fran
Israel (the land) was promised to God's people. God's people being all of Israel (the nation) which is neither Greek nor Jew but all that believe on Jesus as Lord.
The original "promised land" was the same boundaries and size as Eden; not just the garden in the east, but the entirety of Eden.
The holy mount that God called his to keep is located at the exact center of the promised land which was once called Eden.
The New Jerusalem dimensions are the exact same size as the promised land/Eden. The new temple is in the center of the New Jerusalem. The rightful place of that temple is Mount Zion.
When Jesus returns with the New Jerusalem, it will rest in the rightful place and the land that God promised to man will be fulfilled.
Before then though we see in scripture that Jerusalem is overtaken. Only Christ's return ends this takeover.
That is the short summarized version.
The original "promised land" was the same boundaries and size as Eden; not just the garden in the east, but the entirety of Eden.
The holy mount that God called his to keep is located at the exact center of the promised land which was once called Eden.
The New Jerusalem dimensions are the exact same size as the promised land/Eden. The new temple is in the center of the New Jerusalem. The rightful place of that temple is Mount Zion.
When Jesus returns with the New Jerusalem, it will rest in the rightful place and the land that God promised to man will be fulfilled.
Before then though we see in scripture that Jerusalem is overtaken. Only Christ's return ends this takeover.
That is the short summarized version.
John 6:63 [SUP] [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
When the Lord addresses His People, who exactly is He talking to?
The Nation of Israel? The Church?
John 1:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
I think the Lord has always spoken to His People. You can call them Israel or the Church or His Elect but I think they are always the same group. From beginning to end.
So if you say the Church has replaced Israel I would say that's not exactly correct. And if you say that Israel has promises still, I would say that's not exactly correct either.
I would say that there are promises still to Gods People.
Something obvious is still hidden to us. We probably have to be perfected and be with the Lord before we see it.
When the Lord addresses His People, who exactly is He talking to?
The Nation of Israel? The Church?
John 1:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
I think the Lord has always spoken to His People. You can call them Israel or the Church or His Elect but I think they are always the same group. From beginning to end.
So if you say the Church has replaced Israel I would say that's not exactly correct. And if you say that Israel has promises still, I would say that's not exactly correct either.
I would say that there are promises still to Gods People.
Something obvious is still hidden to us. We probably have to be perfected and be with the Lord before we see it.
I don't know about the land issue, but some things are for sure.
Matthew 23:38-39;
"Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord'".
It looks to me that the House of Israel is desolate today and none of them will ever see Jesus until they call on him.
They have rejected the Messiah.
Their promises comes through the Messiah, just as they are for us.
Matthew 23:38-39;
"Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord'".
It looks to me that the House of Israel is desolate today and none of them will ever see Jesus until they call on him.
They have rejected the Messiah.
Their promises comes through the Messiah, just as they are for us.
I'm reminded of the Covenants. The New Covenant (and everlasting) replaces the Mosaic Covenant. All are welcomed into the Kingdom of God. The Law has been fulfilled.
But I don't believe it would replace the Abrahamic Covenant. Abraham is the father of a nation and is promised land, which is reconfirmed with the Palestinian Covenant. If God promises something, He keeps His promise. If He promised land to Abraham, then the land will always belong to Israel.
Deuteronomy 30:4 God's people would be scattered due to disobedience.
30:5 The nation would eventually be restored.
30:6 God will circumcise their hearts so they could love Him totally.
30:7 God will punish Israel's enemies.
30:8 When restored, they will worship Him.
30:9 God will cause them to prosper if the obey.
Indeed, Israel has been restored and has prospered - till now at least.
The last large-scale exile was in 70 AD, and Israel was restored in 1948.
Mathew 19:28 says that those that are regenerated, when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, the regenerated will also judge the 12 tribes of Israel. For this to happen, the land must belong to Israel.
Mathew 23:38-39 is speaking to the spiritual condition of Israel, as you said. Personally, I doubt they will ever accept Jesus as Messiah. But I believe the land belongs to the Jews, as promised by God in His covenants.
Fran
But I don't believe it would replace the Abrahamic Covenant. Abraham is the father of a nation and is promised land, which is reconfirmed with the Palestinian Covenant. If God promises something, He keeps His promise. If He promised land to Abraham, then the land will always belong to Israel.
Deuteronomy 30:4 God's people would be scattered due to disobedience.
30:5 The nation would eventually be restored.
30:6 God will circumcise their hearts so they could love Him totally.
30:7 God will punish Israel's enemies.
30:8 When restored, they will worship Him.
30:9 God will cause them to prosper if the obey.
Indeed, Israel has been restored and has prospered - till now at least.
The last large-scale exile was in 70 AD, and Israel was restored in 1948.
Mathew 19:28 says that those that are regenerated, when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, the regenerated will also judge the 12 tribes of Israel. For this to happen, the land must belong to Israel.
Mathew 23:38-39 is speaking to the spiritual condition of Israel, as you said. Personally, I doubt they will ever accept Jesus as Messiah. But I believe the land belongs to the Jews, as promised by God in His covenants.
Fran