What do you need for salvation again?

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Since we are being continually changed and continually brought to the knowledge of truth with continually renewed minds,there is always going to be new forms of repentance and change. As we grw and go deeper in the faith we are brought to new sight all the time. It is a process and we are brought to new forms of repentance: turning from.
 
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Is confess equal to declare?
Confess is the Greek word homologēsēs, from the root word homologéō. It means "to speak the same thing, agree with".

When someone speaks the truth of God's Word to you and you agree with God, is your "agreeing" some sort of bothersome task you have to do?

Or is your "agreeing" God working in your heart to bring you to understanding?
 
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Acts 16:30-31

[SUP]30 [/SUP]And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 3:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


John 3:36

[SUP]36 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


John 4:14

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.


John 5:24

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


John 6:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


John 6:40

[SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 

Zmouth

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Since we are being continually changed and continually brought to the knowledge of truth with continually renewed minds,there is always going to be new forms of repentance and change. As we grw and go deeper in the faith we are brought to new sight all the time. It is a process and we are brought to new forms of repentance: turning from.
Do you think that there will ever come a day when repentance is not necessary to receive the gifts and calling of God?
 
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Baptism was never required for receiving Salvation and all who teach this really have never understood what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures.
 
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If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

Its good to return to this verse when things start to get complicated.
Paul is talking about Jews in Chapter 10 and his prayer for them to be saved. Paul knew that these Jews recited the Shema prayer, with their mouths, every time in the temple. It started like this........

Sh'ma Yisra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

If the Jews would just see that Jesus Christ is the Lord in that daily chant(Shema) they would be saved.

Confessing with the mouth is a work........and a good one. But it has no part of our justification. I think vs 10 shows us this.....

New American Standard Bible
for with the heart a person believes(our own non-meritorious choice), resulting in righteousness(justified/eternal life), and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in(experiencing salvation in time) salvation.

 

trofimus

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Not when you pull it out of context and require bolding to prove the point it's not. It's all about YOU declaring and YOU believing. Granted, in context, it's not that, but you avoided context to make it become our doing.

Poor Paul! Over nine chapters of building this up and showing God at work in all that happens, just to be undone by one pull-apart. (The "we can't do it no matter what" part is covered in the first few chapters.)
You are overthinking it too much, I think.

Its simple - salvation is a merciful gift from God made possible by the life, death and resurrection of Christ.

You can grab this gift in Christ by various ways - repenting, baptism, declaring, faith in your heart etc etc.

Its all about the same thing. Only various angles of view.
 
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Paul is talking about Jews in Chapter 10 and his prayer for them to be saved. Paul knew that these Jews recited the Shema prayer, with their mouths, every time in the temple. It started like this........

Sh'ma Yisra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

If the Jews would just see that Jesus Christ is the Lord in that daily chant(Shema) they would be saved.

Confessing with the mouth is a work........and a good one. But it has no part of our justification. I think vs 10 shows us this.....

New American Standard Bible
for with the heart a person believes(our own non-meritorious choice), resulting in righteousness(justified/eternal life), and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in(experiencing salvation in time) salvation.

Agreed! Amen! Not many understand this truth. Dr. Tony Evans preached a great sermon on this one day and made this "confession" understandable to me for the first time.
 

trofimus

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Paul is talking about Jews in Chapter 10 and his prayer for them to be saved. Paul knew that these Jews recited the Shema prayer, with their mouths, every time in the temple. It started like this........

Sh'ma Yisra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One

If the Jews would just see that Jesus Christ is the Lord in that daily chant(Shema) they would be saved.

Confessing with the mouth is a work........and a good one. But it has no part of our justification. I think vs 10 shows us this.....

New American Standard Bible
for with the heart a person believes(our own non-meritorious choice), resulting in righteousness(justified/eternal life), and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in(experiencing salvation in time) salvation.

1. People in Rome had no idea what is the habit in some jewish temple. This explanation is therefore not very acceptable for me.

2. And it would have to be "declare that Jesus is the Lord", but Paul is speaking generally - "that Jesus is Lord".
 
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Confessing with the mouth is a work........and a good one. But it has no part of our justification. I think vs 10 shows us this.....

New American Standard Bible
for with the heart a person believes(our own non-meritorious choice), resulting in righteousness(justified/eternal life), and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in(experiencing salvation in time) salvation.

Amen..and this "confession" is not only for salvation for going to heaven but it is also used to "say the same thing" as God does about what Christ has done in His finished work for us. Every blessing in the kingdom of God that Christ has bought with His blood is "obtained" in this same "confessing" truth.
 

notuptome

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I thought this was a thread about a second or third salvation. How disappointing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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1. People in Rome had no idea what is the habit in some jewish temple. This explanation is therefore not very acceptable for me.

2. And it would have to be "declare that Jesus is the Lord", but Paul is speaking generally - "that Jesus is Lord".
It was a tough one for me. I had it drilled in my head that we needed to confess out loud. Now I know better.

And don't get me wrong. Confessing out loud is synonymous to agreeing to the Lordship of Christ.
ANd this is how we grow in Grace and knowledge. All we do is believe to be saved.
 
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It's funny how people get roused up when obedience is mentioned, but are never moved a bit when "being faithful" is mentioned. They both mean the same thing. If "being faithful" was simply believing, then it would be written "believe". The just shall live by faith, & proving that faith is thru being faithful. "The devils believe, & tremble, but that kind of believing only with the mind saves nobody. It takes more than being persuaded that Jesus is Lord..... We are to be servants of the Lord if He's truly Lord. It's more than talk; it's a walk.

2 Corinthians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight:) [SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.
 

Zmouth

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Baptism was never required for receiving Salvation and all who teach this really have never understood what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures.
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Zmouth

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Baptism was never required for receiving Salvation and all who teach this really have never understood what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: John 6:44

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

Kinda hard not to be baptized by the Holy Ghost if there are three that bear witness in heaven....


2 Corinthians 5:7-9 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight:) [SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Did you read that in the Bible?
 
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Since we are being continually changed and continually brought to the knowledge of truth with continually renewed minds,there is always going to be new forms of repentance and change. As we grw and go deeper in the faith we are brought to new sight all the time. It is a process and we are brought to new forms of repentance: turning from.
Yup. But I'm not asking about sanctification. I'm asking about salvation.
 
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Confess is the Greek word homologēsēs, from the root word homologéō. It means "to speak the same thing, agree with".

When someone speaks the truth of God's Word to you and you agree with God, is your "agreeing" some sort of bothersome task you have to do?

Or is your "agreeing" God working in your heart to bring you to understanding?
So, it is the same thing as declare. And this is required for salvation?

Not bothersome at all, since I was dead in sin and simply couldn't confess, declare, nor save myself. Kind of like asking me if it's bothersome I'm not a brain surgeon. Not really. I have no ability so it doesn't bother me at all.

(If you're forgetting, please check the title of my thread. It really is about salvation. "What do you/I need for salvation again?")
 
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Acts 16:30-31

[SUP]30 [/SUP]And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 3:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


John 3:36

[SUP]36 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


John 4:14

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.


John 5:24

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


John 6:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


John 6:40

[SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Believe has already been added to the list. Drink (or drinketh) is a newcomer, so let's add that one too. Hearething now? Also new. My, this list is growing.

So, my husband is out of the picture, because he can't drink. And anyone who is deaf is done for.

Lots of catches to this business of saving ourselves.
 
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We must obey God. Our obedience does not earn our salvation, but God will only save us if we obey. We need to be born again (baptism), partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week in the assembly of the saints, feed of His word, grow in Christ, and remain faithful till the end.


 
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Do you think that there will ever come a day when repentance is not necessary to receive the gifts and calling of God?
Actually, my question is about salvation, which is a gift, but not "gifts," and you bring up an interesting point on if it is a calling.