Daniels 70 weeks

[miknik5]

Oh no...there are no gates...
Those in the land, in the end, will be HOLY to GOD...and sin will never enter again...

Outside in darkness?
Not sure, but I thought that everyone whose name was not found in the book of life don't have life? That they were cast into the lake of fire
Now there is "another place"?

Where since there will no longer be a firmament separating the "heavens above" from the "heavens below" and there will be no gates and GOD will dwell with HIS CREATION and death the last enemy will be conquered.

These outside in darkness will live forever?
How did they avoid the lake of fire.
If sin is removed in one day and with it false prophets, where are these men if they were not standing in the judgment, having not found their name in the book of life, where did they go?

Revelation 20 tells us they were cast into the lake of fire along with death and hades?

So where is this place "outside the gates" when there are no gates anymore as per Revelation 21

 

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Please expound FULLY Revelation 20:

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Final Judgment
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Then we can move on to Revelation 21

I don't know what you would have me expound; the chapter is simple enough. It begins in the time right after Christ's 2nd coming when He will reward His elect, they reign with Him for the thousand years over the nations like He promised, and during that thousand years Satan is locked in chains in his pit prison, and only those of Christ's elect are of the 1st resurrection unto eternal life and cannot be subject to the later "second death".

Only the wicked, as shown in Rev.22:15, which are the nations outside the camp of the saints (and gates of the holy city) are subject to the "second death" of the lake of fire.

Per the OT prophets, that thousand years will be a time of teaching God's people and the wicked the difference between the clean and the unclean. Those who erred will stand in judgment during that thousand years.

At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be loosed to deceive those subject to the second death, to lead them up against the camp of the saints on earth. God The Father then rains His fire down from Heaven upon Satan and his host. Then God's GWT judgment, to see if there are any names found in the book of life. Those not found are cast into the lake of fire, along with hell and death.

 

[valiant]

Oh no...there are no gates...
Those in the land, in the end, will be HOLY to GOD...and sin will never enter again...

Outside in darkness?
Not sure, but I thought that everyone whose name was not found in the book of life don't have life?

How many books of "life" are there?

there was a book of life in every city, and also a book of honoured citizens. it was a common concept. it contained the names of living citizens, it was to such a book of life that Moses was referring.

The Lamb's book of life was a new concept

 

[miknik5]

Revelation 22 is a word to HIS CHURCH through John to those who are told to wait and overcome.
Either one is through THE DOOR unto the KINGDOM of GOD now...or they will be found outside THE DOOR later.
And many will try to enter in at the last hour but will find the DOOR closed...

All men must have the RIGHT GARMENT now, sir.
It's why the GOSPEL is preached now...
CHRIST"S MINISTRY right now is one of reconciliation...reconciling back to THE FATHER what belongs to HIM in, by and through THE SON.

But afterwards, at HIS second coming, it's completely different ministry...it means the year of GOD'S FAVOR is complete, and the day of vengeance of our GOD has come.

And those who do not have the WEDDING GARMENT can't enter in and can't come to the wedding

 

[valiant]

I don't know what you would have me expound; the chapter is simple enough. It begins in the time right after Christ's 2nd coming when He will reward His elect, they reign with Him for the thousand years over the nations like He promised, and during that thousand years Satan is locked in chains in his pit prison, and only those of Christ's elect are of the 1st resurrection unto eternal life and cannot be subject to the later "second death".

Only the wicked, as shown in Rev.22:15, which are the nations outside the camp of the saints (and gates of the holy city) are subject to the "second death" of the lake of fire.

Per the OT prophets, that thousand years will be a time of teaching God's people and the wicked the difference between the clean and the unclean. Those who erred will stand in judgment during that thousand years.

At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be loosed to deceive those subject to the second death, to lead them up against the camp of the saints on earth. God The Father then rains His fire down from Heaven upon Satan and his host. Then God's GWT judgment, to see if there are any names found in the book of life. Those not found are cast into the lake of fire, along with hell and death.

there is NOTHING in Rev 20 that refers to an earthly kingdom. Christ reigns in Heaven with his martyrs and other Christians.
it is a new vision which recapitulates previous visions. The release of Satan is mentioned previously in chapter 9.

There is NO SUGGESTION that the Beast and False Prophet were sent to the Lake of Fire 1000 years before Satan. They were all sent around the same time.

 

[DP]

Big deal! Jeruselam/Judea was considered Israel in Christ day. The potter's field was in Judea, but the children of Israel bought it. The New testament makes no distinction between the house of Israel or the nation of Israel. This is a man made interpretation to deny the Church of Christ their true identity. There is no need for a physical national Israel to emerge with temple, feast and sacrifice. Are we not to preach the gospel to the Jews? What if a Jew becomes a Christian, where does he stand, with the Christians or the nation/House of Israel?

9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,“And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, 10 and gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.”

It definitely is not made up, and it IS... covered in the NT, just probably not where you expect...

Heb 8:6-13
6 But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in My covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that He saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
KJV

Forgiveness of sins, putting God's laws in our hearts and minds (vial The Holy Spirit), the old covenant vanishing away, what's not about that concerning the New Covenant?

 

[miknik5]

there was a book of life in every city, and also a book of honoured citizens. it was a common concept. it contained the names of living citizens, it was to such a book of life that Moses was referring.

The Lamb's book of life was a new concept

Whaaaaaaat?

 

[DP]

I also think we need to be reminded of CHRIST"S LAMENT over JERUSALEM
How long HE desired to gather them as a MOTHER HEN gathers HER CHICKS????
But they would not have it.

Therefore HE sends prophets some they will stone and kill so that upon them shall come the blood of all the prophets.

For in TRUTH GOD sent HIS WORD from the beginning for one purpose...that men might come to KNOW HIM.

And even all the prophets sent had the same call:

If today you hear HIS VOICE, harden NOT your heart.

And CHRIST said...in them is the prophecy fulfilled...make the hearts of the people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not lest they should understand with the heart, turn, and HE should heal them

It's just that many still think they are well-healed and have no need for A PHYSICIAN.

God's Word makes a distinction between the deceived of His people vs. the children of darkness ordained to the condemnation of being against Christ...

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Matt 13:38-40
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

John 8:42-48
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.
46 Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto Him, Say we not well that Thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
KJV

 

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When is the fountain opened to the inhabitants of David?
During the 1000 year reign or after the battle spoken of in Revelation 20 and the NEW JERUSALEM spoken of in Revelation 21

Do you really know what you speak of? Many believe that fountain, which is also symbolic for The LORD, is a metaphor only. It is not a metaphor only.

 

[DP]

Nope.
That's after ALL THE VESSELS are marked HOLY to GOD.
Which is why I questioned why there even is a "gate" to begin with.

That Rev.22:14-15 Scripture is thousand years timing, for that is when the wicked will exist along the time of the camp of the saints. It's a description of events in Rev.20, even though it is mentioned in Rev.22. Only someone ignorant of grammar would think that a past event (like Rev.20 events) mentioned in a later timeline (like Rev.22) is not possible. Our Lord's Book of Revelation was given to Apostle John the way the OT prophets were given to write down OT prophecy, a lot of flow between past, present, and future.

 

[DP]

Oh no...there are no gates...
Those in the land, in the end, will be HOLY to GOD...and sin will never enter again...

Outside in darkness?
Not sure, but I thought that everyone whose name was not found in the book of life don't have life? That they were cast into the lake of fire
Now there is "another place"?

Where since there will no longer be a firmament separating the "heavens above" from the "heavens below" and there will be no gates and GOD will dwell with HIS CREATION and death the last enemy will be conquered.

These outside in darkness will live forever?
How did they avoid the lake of fire.
If sin is removed in one day and with it false prophets, where are these men if they were not standing in the judgment, having not found their name in the book of life, where did they go?

Revelation 20 tells us they were cast into the lake of fire along with death and hades?

So where is this place "outside the gates" when there are no gates anymore as per Revelation 21

One of the reasons I strongly believe we are to study the Old Testament Books first, is because the way God gave them to be written, especially with His OT prophets, and that the timelines between past, present, and future can jump very quickly, so the Bible student must pay very close attention to the subject. Jesus showed us about this in Luke 4 when He read from Isaiah 61 only the part that covered His 1st coming while closing the Book of Isaiah with not reading the latter part which is about His future 2nd coming.

Revelation is written in that same way. Not everything written in it occurs chronologically how it is written.

The way it works is similar to this:

When I studied computer programing years ago, and went to a facility to prepare me for the Microsoft exam, they gave me a practice exam of 100 questions that didn't make sense. The questions were long, paragraphs, so it was easy for much of them to be right, with only a small section making the whole question bogus. I took the exam back to my instructor after a week and kind showed him I was perturbed with it. He then said, "You're ready." I asked him what he meant. He said, "EITHER YOU KNOW THE MATERIAL, OR YOU DON'T. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT PRACTICE TEST WAS AUTHENTIC."

Same way with study in Revelation. If the Bible student is not first familiar with the majority the previous Books of God's Word, especially the OT prophets, then the won't understand the proper order of events given in Revelation by our Lord Jesus.

 

[miknik5]

Do you really know what you speak of? Many believe that fountain, which is also symbolic for The LORD, is a metaphor only. It is not a metaphor only.

When HE opens their eyes, they will go out like calves released from their stalls sir...when HE removes their sin in ONE DAY and opens up a fountain of cleanliness for the inhabitants of David.

That metaphor is symbolic of CHRIST and GOD'S FIRST LOVE, "Israel", recognizes HIM as THEIR MESSIAH...

 

[DP]

Revelation 22 is a word to HIS CHURCH through John to those who are told to wait and overcome.
Either one is through THE DOOR unto the KINGDOM of GOD now...or they will be found outside THE DOOR later.
And many will try to enter in at the last hour but will find the DOOR closed...

All men must have the RIGHT GARMENT now, sir.
It's why the GOSPEL is preached now...
CHRIST"S MINISTRY right now is one of reconciliation...reconciling back to THE FATHER what belongs to HIM in, by and through THE SON.

But afterwards, at HIS second coming, it's completely different ministry...it means the year of GOD'S FAVOR is complete, and the day of vengeance of our GOD has come.

And those who do not have the WEDDING GARMENT can't enter in and can't come to the wedding

You may as well strike out... the whole chapter of Revelation 20, because that is what you're doing with bypassing its events and instead wanting to jump right into God's eternity of a new heavens and new earth timing.

When Jesus returns in our near future, that is NOT the new heavens and a new earth with the wicked destroyed.

There are many souls in this world today that never... had their opportunity to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And God is NOT going to destroy those of His chosen that He Himself blinded away from The Gospel (Rom.11).

So you really need to get off your high horse, because you have no right to exalt yourself above the sinners of God's people.

 

[miknik5]

God's Word makes a distinction between the deceived of His people vs. the children of darkness ordained to the condemnation of being against Christ...

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Matt 13:38-40
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

John 8:42-48
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe Me not.
46 Which of you convinceth Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe Me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto Him, Say we not well that Thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
KJV

The deceived of HIS PEOPLE are all those whose eyes are blinded until HE reopens their eyes and they look upon the ONE whom they have pierced and recognize HIM.

GOD already knows who belongs to HIM.
Those who don't won't be transferred out of the kingdom of darkness into the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE LOVES>


That work, by the way, is happening even now...

Please don't point to John 8.
The problem was that though they were made aware of their own guilt, instead of coming to HIM and being washed, they went away from the oldest to the youngest.
They knew they could NOT be the first to cast the stone...
And yet, when they met up with HIM later, they said they do not need to be a "slave to any man" since Abraham is their father.

Showing that they did not know and recognize nor did they believe HIS TESTIMONY when HE said HE is the SON OF GOD.
Which is why, they once again asked HIM, when HE testified of HIMSELF and said, MY FATHER also testifies,


WHO IS YOUR FATHER, they asked.

therefore, do not use John 8.
THE SON came for the very reason that Haggai had already prophecied and which John as a herald already declared...all were unclean and all needed to be washed.

That fountain will be opened to ALL in the last day.
Right now the fountain is only opened to those who have been given eyes that see and ears that hear...

 

[miknik5]

You may as well strike out... the whole chapter of Revelation 20, because that is what you're doing with bypassing its events and instead wanting to jump right into God's eternity of a new heavens and new earth timing.

When Jesus returns in our near future, that is NOT the new heavens and a new earth with the wicked destroyed.

There are many souls in this world today that never... had their opportunity to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And God is NOT going to destroy those of His chosen that He Himself blinded away from The Gospel (Rom.11).

So you really need to get off your high horse, because you have no right to exalt yourself above the sinners of God's people.

Then go back to John 5...and understand that while there are many who have heard the VOICE of the SON OF GOD NOW and have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, a time will come when ALL will hear the VOICE of the SON OF GOD...(this is what is depicted in Revelation 20 also...the last judgment when those in the grave will rise and will be judged according to their works...
and if anyone's name is not found in the LAMB'S BOOK of LIFE...they will not have LIFE.

 

[miknik5]

I NEVER SAID HE WOULD FORSAKE HIS FIRST LOVE...HE HASN'T AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT HE HAS RESERVED TO HIMSELF A REMNANT WHO HAS NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL OR KISSED HIS LIPS.

But their being brought in, when HE opens their eyes, is then the FULLNESS of THE OLIVE TREE.
ONE TREE...and ONE WHO BEARS THAT TREE...WHO IS THE ROOT OF JESSE AND DECLARED HOLY....and anyone in HIM is HOLY because HE IS HOLY...for apart from HIM...no, we aren't...and we can't be...and we aren't even washed until HE does for us what we can not and COULD NOT do for ourselves.

And...if HE does NOT wash us, we have no part with HIM...

 

[DP]

When HE opens their eyes, they will go out like calves released from their stalls sir...when HE removes their sin in ONE DAY and opens up a fountain of cleanliness for the inhabitants of David.

That metaphor is symbolic of CHRIST and GOD'S FIRST LOVE, "Israel", recognizes HIM as THEIR MESSIAH...

That fountain is a literal River of waters of life that will heal the earth...

Rev 21:6
6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
KJV

Rev 22:1
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
KJV

Ps 46:4
4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
KJV

Isa 41:18-20
18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
KJV

Ezek 47:1-7
47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
KJV

Zech 14:8-9
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

That evidently is the difference between those who think like you and those who think like I do. I don't see everything written in God's Word like His River as just some mystical idea with no substance, like man's reasoning with his philosophy. I understand these things will be real, established upon the earth, regardless of how miraculous they at times may seem.

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

 

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Then go back to John 5...and understand that while there are many who have heard the VOICE of the SON OF GOD NOW and have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, a time will come when ALL will hear the VOICE of the SON OF GOD...(this is what is depicted in Revelation 20 also...the last judgment when those in the grave will rise and will be judged according to their works...
and if anyone's name is not found in the LAMB'S BOOK of LIFE...they will not have LIFE.

Jesus told us in John 5:28-29 that on the day of the resurrection, when He returns, BOTH... the resurrection of life AND the resurrection of damnation occur. Can you not... see that there, or do you deny it as written? Don't you realize what that means for when the wicked dead are resurrected?

Most think the wicked dead aren't raised until after the thousand years of Rev.20. John 5:28-29 disagrees with that idea.

The problem many have with Rev.20, is they do not understand the resurrection lesson Paul gave in 1 Cor.15.

Rev.20 mentions a "first resurrection". Why the ordinal number "first"? When we say a 'first' something, do we usually mean at least a 2nd one to follow? Yes, of course. But since the wicked dead are resurrection to their resurrection of damnation on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming per John 5:28-29, as written, then what KIND... of resurrection is the inferred 2nd resurrection?

It is ANOTHER resurrection unto LIFE to Christ Jesus! And it's involves those taught during the 1,000 years who will come to Christ Jesus then, which is WHY... Satan ain't destroyed yet because he must... TEST those new babes in Christ at the end of the 1,000!

So are you also one of those who think there's going to be people still in flesh bodies in that future time? I blame that kind fleshy thinking as one of main reasons a lot of brethren cannot grasp this. And Scripture does... point to this as being what is going to happen. In 1 Cor.15, Paul covered 4 Greek words about the change to our bodies for Christ's Salvation. Each Greek word has a different meaning. It's about the difference between those in Christ vs. the wicked without Christ. We all are going to have the "spiritual body" which is an outward image only in that time. But only those in Christ will have put on immortality. The wicked will still have mortal souls subject to the "second death".

 

[DP]

The deceived of HIS PEOPLE are all those whose eyes are blinded until HE reopens their eyes and they look upon the ONE whom they have pierced and recognize HIM.

GOD already knows who belongs to HIM.
Those who don't won't be transferred out of the kingdom of darkness into the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE LOVES>

I'm not a Calvinist. Nor do I believe God made us as robots, but gave us free will to love Him, or not.

Rom.11 shows us that He blinded Israel in part so The Gospel could go to the Gentiles also. He showed us in Zech.12 when that blindness is removed at Christ's return, those will mourn for Him like a long lost son, meaning in shame for having rejected Him. Those are the ones Scripture speaks of that will want for the hills and mountains to fall on them, saying "cover us." It's pointing to the orthodox Jews who rejected Jesus. Paul showed there they are still... God's chosen, and that He will not go back on His election, i.e., they will be saved, just as those preserved by God in Rom.11 speaks.

That work, by the way, is happening even now...

But you're jumping ahead just a little, because isn't going to remove the blindness He put upon them until Jesus returns, and that certainly is not... happening yet today. The majority of them will remain blinded until that event.

Please don't point to John 8.
The problem was that though they were made aware of their own guilt, instead of coming to HIM and being washed, they went away from the oldest to the youngest.
They knew they could NOT be the first to cast the stone...
And yet, when they met up with HIM later, they said they do not need to be a "slave to any man" since Abraham is their father.

You as with many, do not understand that, nor the parable of the tares, nor that in Jude 1. I've noticed many brethren that have failed to grasp that Satan has his group of elect servants working upon this earth also, and even though Christ's Salvation is open to them, they will not turn to Christ Jesus, but will rather perish in the future lake of fire. Like tares, we just cannot distinguish them yet, for one blinded who belongs to Christ could just as well be following them until it's time for their commission (example - Saul of Tarsus).

THE SON came for the very reason that Haggai had already prophecied and which John as a herald already declared...all were unclean and all needed to be washed.

That fountain will be opened to ALL in the last day.
Right now the fountain is only opened to those who have been given eyes that see and ears that hear...

Like I've already shown, that fountain is not just some spiritual metaphor.

 

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Then go back to John 5...and understand that while there are many who have heard the VOICE of the SON OF GOD NOW and have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION, a time will come when ALL will hear the VOICE of the SON OF GOD...(this is what is depicted in Revelation 20 also...the last judgment when those in the grave will rise and will be judged according to their works...
and if anyone's name is not found in the LAMB'S BOOK of LIFE...they will not have LIFE.

I'm sorry, I just think all that mystical philosophy thinking is clouding your understanding. We are to speak plainly to the brethren, not in riddles.

John 5:24-27
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him That sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
27 And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of man.

That first example above happened at Christ's death and resurrection. According to Peter, Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison that were disobedient back in the OT. Isaiah 42 reveals that Jesus would do this, and lead prisoners out of the prison house who sat in darkness.

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV

This Scripture above has not... happened yet today. It has NOT started. It is ONLY for the future time of Christ's 2nd coming when the dead will be resurrected. To say that has already happened is to lie, and say the resurrection is either already begun today, or is already past.

That John 5:28-29 example shows BOTH resurrection types happening on the day of Christ's return. It is NOT showing the resurrection of life ("first resurrection" of Rev.20) only, but also the "resurrection of damnation" on that SAME DAY of Christ's 2nd coming!

That means NO... later resurrection of the wicked after the 1,000 years. That John 5:28-29 Scripture by our Lord Jesus rejects the pop belief of the wicked being resurrected after... the 1,000 years.