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Keeping God's Word does not give us Salvation. The Thief on the Cross never keep God's Word but yet he entered into Paradise with Jesus.

Look carefully at what you quoted in John 12. Jesus said "he who rejects me" is the main focus, not His Words.

There is only one way to receive Salvation and its by the Grace of God, not by anything else. There is NOTHING you can do by your works to receive Salvation.
 
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The problem is DeaconMike all your proof is from men, not from God. Show us where in Scriptures only where God says we receive Salvation by Baptism!

Ephesians 2:8,9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast.

We receive Salvation by Grace from God, not by Baptism.

So why DeaconMike are you elevating the teachings of Satan above God? Why do you see nothing wrong with teachings the doctrines of Satan? Its Satan who says we receive Salvation by Baptism. Its the Catholics who repeat what Satan say by declaring Salvation is received by Baptism.

Therefore all the Catholics who were Baptized as Babies will never enter into Heaven. Repent DeaconMike, go to a True Christian Church, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and be Baptized by full Immersion!

Otherwise you will lose out on being in Paradise with us True Children of God.
Dear KenAllen
The Catholic Church teaches we are saved through faith. Nothing we can do can earn our salvation. Notice verse 11 of Eph. Which you did not quote.
We are saved by grace through faith
Which is a gift from God
For we are made for good works

Didn't St Paul just say good works cannot save?
That's because St Paul is stating that prior to out justification we cannt put God under obligation to " pay us " for salvation We cannot " earn" eternal life
However once we become a " new creation " Rom6:1. Good works are very much a part of whst we do because they give God glory and are very much neccessary. As St James says faith alone is dead.
 
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Keeping God's Word does not give us Salvation. The Thief on the Cross never keep God's Word but yet he entered into Paradise with Jesus.

Look carefully at what you quoted in John 12. Jesus said "he who rejects me" is the main focus, not His Words.

There is only one way to receive Salvation and its by the Grace of God, not by anything else. There is NOTHING you can do by your works to receive Salvation.
Dear KenAllen
I totally agree. Salvation is a gift from God Eph 2:9
The Catholic Church teaches the eternal life cannt be merited by earning our salvation. Thst was a herisy condemned by the Church in the 4 th century
 
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Dear KenAllen
I totally agree. Salvation is a gift from God Eph 2:9
The Catholic Church teaches the eternal life cannt be merited by earning our salvation. Thst was a herisy condemned by the Church in the 4 th century
Dear KenAllen
Actually the thief on the cross did do something or else Jesus would have not responded. The thief on the cross showed repentance faith and even evangelized to the other unrepentant thief
 
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the fact that he said he sinned is a kind of confession, is it not? otherwise how would he call it "sin" ?
do i know that he doesn't teach repentance as well? that he doesn't also preach that we should obediently do the things that our new nature desires, and put away the things the old nature lusts after?




so i see that maybe he could have phrased something better -- if his purpose was to present a complete doctrine in 15 words, and this was the only thing he said, not an out-of-context snippet.
and i see that some people, if they life & die by the rules of twitter & bumper stickers & billboards, with an attention span that is a stretch to go beyond 30 words, may be easily deceived.

but there just isn't enough info here to call someone a false teacher. maybe he is preaching no need to live righteously, and no need to repent? i don't know. maybe he is also saying these things, but that's not being quoted to me.
we could lift just a few words out of many parts of the Bible, and ignoring what else is said, make it sound as if all kinds of wrong doctrine is taught.

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Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me" said Jesus. whoah! works righteousness!

see? no context. Jesus isn't presenting a complete theology in 10 words or less. He said much more than this. but if i wanted to accuse Him of preaching works, or to accuse Him of preaching the Law of Moses, or i wanted to accuse Him of preaching humanism, or of gnosticism, or universal salvation, or universal condemnation, or even homosexuality or atheism -- i could search diligently for bits of things to quote only in part, and ignore everything else, and present them & interpret them in a way that makes it sound like He says whatever it is i had already determined in my heart to make Him say. i could do the same thing with Paul, or any preacher who i had a lot of text to sift through.

i'm not saying you do this on purpose -- tho i think some people sure do, purposefully
but i think it happens without even thinking about it, if we go in to things already having judged them.
not saying there isn't such a thing as a "false teaching of grace" either.
just that i don't always hear enough to make that kind of condemnation.




He admits that he sins, and he admits that everyone sins, But he never repents or confesses to God that he sins.
So if he knows he sins, he should do something about it, apart from saying "I'm blessed", [Which he isn't blessed].
He doesn't believe in confessing sins, he said when he sins, he confesses, "I'm the righteousness of God",
Yet God said when we sin, we should confess that "WE HAVE SINNED".

He says living a holy live being legalistic, putting yourself back under the law and rejecting grace.
 
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Keeping God's Word does not give us Salvation. The Thief on the Cross never keep God's Word but yet he entered into Paradise with Jesus.

Look carefully at what you quoted in John 12. Jesus said "he who rejects me" is the main focus, not His Words.

There is only one way to receive Salvation and its by the Grace of God, not by anything else. There is NOTHING you can do by your works to receive Salvation.
You ignore what Jesus said, and take someone else’s word of what it mean to go to heaven with Jesus Christ. Also it is only an assumption that the salvation you refer to means going to heaven.

Jesus told us who it is that would go to heaven with him, and you ignore what he said, so you keep one believing the way you do, and you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible
 
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St Peters successors

Irenaeus


"The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).

Tertullian

"[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]).

The Little Labyrinth

"Victor . . . was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth [A.D. 211], in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3).

Cyprian of Carthage

"The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. ... ’ [Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251]).
"Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made [bishop] before him—when the place of [Pope] Fabian, which is the place of Peter, the dignity of the sacerdotal chair, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church" (Letters 55:[52]):8 [A.D. 253]).
"With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and b.asphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal church [at Rome], in which sacerdotal unity has its source" (ibid., 59:14).

Eusebius of Caesarea

"Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul [2 Tim. 4:10], but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothy [2 Tim. 4:21] as his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier [Phil. 4:3]" (Church History 3:4:9–10 [A.D. 312]).

Pope Julius I

"[The] judgment [against Athanasius] ought to have been made, not as it was, but according to the ecclesiastical canon. . . . Are you ignorant that the custom has been to write first to us and then for a just decision to be passed from this place [Rome]? If, then, any such suspicion rested upon the bishop there [Athanasius of Alexandria], notice of it ought to have been written to the church here. But now, after having done as they pleased, they want to obtain our concurrence, although we never condemned him. Not thus are the constitutions of Paul, not thus the traditions of the Fathers. This is another form of procedure, and a novel practice. . . . What I write about this is for the common good. For what we have heard from the blessed apostle Peter, these things I signify to you" (Letter on Behalf of Athanasius [A.D. 341], contained in Athanasius, Apology Against the Arians 20–35).

Council of Sardica

"f any bishop loses the judgment in some case [decided by his fellow bishops] and still believes that he has not a bad but a good case, in order that the case may be judged anew . . . let us honor the memory of the apostle Peter by having those who have given the judgment write to Julius, bishop of Rome, so that if it seem proper he may himself send arbiters and the judgment may be made again by the bishops of a neighboring province" (Canon 3 [A.D. 342]).

Optatus

"You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all" (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).

Epiphanius of Salamis

"At Rome the first apostles and bishops were Peter and Paul, then Linus, then Cletus, then Clement, the contemporary of Peter and Paul" (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 27:6 [A.D. 375]).

Pope Damasus I

"Likewise it is decreed: . . . [W]e have considered that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you shall have bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall have loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see [today], therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).





[1]There is no Biblical or historical proof that Peter went to Rome.

[2]Jesus said to Peter,Petros "You are a stone, [See Jn 1: 42], That is easily moved or shaken".
Didn't Peter prove it?? YES.
"And upon Petra, [A Solid massive ROCK, a firm foundation] I will build My Church".

Aramaic, You are cephas, [Kepha], A stone, and upon Shua, I will build My Church.

Two different Greek words, Two different meanings.
Two different Aramaic words, Two different meanings.

The Bible, Greek and Aramaic, all prove that Jesus didn't build His Church on Peter.
 
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You ignore what Jesus said, and take someone else’s word of what it mean to go to heaven with Jesus Christ. Also it is only an assumption that the salvation you refer to means going to heaven.

Jesus told us who it is that would go to heaven with him, and you ignore what he said, so you keep one believing the way you do, and you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible
Scripture ( and Jesus!) teach lots of things are neccessary for salvation. We must
Have faith
Be baptized
Ask for forgivness
Forgive others ( The Our Father)
Do good works
Acknowledge Christ
Profess Christ

All of these are very much neccesssry
 
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INFANT BAPTISM
Irenaeus

"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).
"‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]" (Fragment34 [A.D. 190]).

Hippolytus

"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen

"Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]).
"The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cyprian of Carthage

"As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).
"If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another" (ibid., 64:5).

Gregory of Nazianz

"Do you have an infant child? Allow sin no opportunity; rather, let the infant be sanctified from childhood. From his most tender age let him be consecrated by the Spirit. Do you fear the seal [of baptism] because of the weakness of nature? Oh, what a pusillanimous mother and of how little faith!" (Oration on Holy Baptism 40:7 [A.D. 388]).
"‘Well enough,’ some will say, ‘for those who ask for baptism, but what do you have to say about those who are still children, and aware neither of loss nor of grace? Shall we baptize them too?’ Certainly [I respond], if there is any pressing danger. Better that they be sanctified unaware, than that they depart unsealed and uninitiated" (ibid., 40:28).

John Chrysostom

"You see how many are the benefits of baptism, and some think its heavenly grace consists only in the remission of sins, but we have enumerated ten honors [it bestows]! For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members" (Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian 1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).

Augustine

"What the universal Church holds, not as instituted [invented] by councils but as something always held, is most correctly believed to have been handed down by apostolic authority. Since others respond for children, so that the celebration of the sacrament may be complete for them, it is certainly availing to them for their consecration, because they themselves are not able to respond" (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24:31 [A.D. 400]).
"The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).
"Cyprian was not issuing a new decree but was keeping to the most solid belief of the Church in order to correct some who thought that infants ought not be baptized before the eighth day after their birth. . . . He agreed with certain of his fellow bishops that a child is able to be duly baptized as soon as he is born" (Letters 166:8:23 [A.D. 412]).
"By this grace baptized infants too are ingrafted into his [Christ’s] body, infants who certainly are not yet able to imitate anyone. Christ, in whom all are made alive . . . gives also the most hidden grace of his Spirit to believers, grace which he secretly infuses even into infants. . . . It is an excellent thing that the Punic [North African] Christians call baptism salvation and the sacrament of Christ’s Body nothing else than life. Whence does this derive, except from an ancient and, as I suppose, apostolic tradition, by which the churches of Christ hold inherently that without baptism and participation at the table of the Lord it is impossible for any man to attain either to the kingdom of God or to salvation and life eternal? This is the witness of Scripture, too. . . . If anyone wonders why children born of the baptized should themselves be baptized, let him attend briefly to this. . . . The sacrament of baptism is most assuredly the sacrament of regeneration" (Forgiveness and the Just Deserts of Sin, and the Baptism of Infants 1:9:10; 1:24:34; 2:27:43 [A.D. 412]).

Council of Carthage V

"Item: It seemed good that whenever there were not found reliable witnesses who could testify that without any doubt they [abandoned children] were baptized and when the children themselves were not, on account of their tender age, able to answer concerning the giving of the sacraments to them, all such children should be baptized without scruple, lest a hesitation should deprive them of the cleansing of the sacraments. This was urged by the [North African] legates, our brethren, since they redeem many such [abandoned children] from the barbarians" (Canon 7 [A.D. 401]).

Council of Mileum II

"[W]hoever says that infants fresh from their mothers’ wombs ought not to be baptized, or say that they are indeed baptized unto the remission of sins, but that they draw nothing of the original sin of Adam, which is expiated in the bath of regeneration . . . let him be anathema [excommunicated]. Since what the apostle [Paul] says, ‘Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so passed to all men, in whom all have sinned’ [Rom. 5:12], must not be understood otherwise than the Catholic Church spread everywhere has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith even infants, who in themselves thus far have not been able to commit any sin, are therefore truly baptized unto the remission of sins, so that that which they have contracted from generation may be cleansed in them by regeneration" (Canon 3 [A.D. 416]).


Your problem is, You believe what men says, Rather than what God says.
Nowhere does the Bible teach infant baptism, How can an infant, Hear and understand the gospel, Chose to believe it, then chose to repent, then chose to be baptised??.

Infant baptism is witchcraft. It's imposing one's will on someone else.
 
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Scripture ( and Jesus!) teach lots of things are neccessary for salvation. We must
Have faith
Be baptized
Ask for forgivness
Forgive others ( The Our Father)
Do good works
Acknowledge Christ
Profess Christ

All of these are very much neccesssry
All of that and much more is the Word that Jesus gave us. We will be judged by the Word Jesus gave us, he said so. Jesus told us that he choose not to even have ever known those who don’t keep his Word.

The people who call themselves Christians and that includes the Catholics need to look at just what Jesus said that they are not keeping.

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God” New Jerusalem bible

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”

(Luke 12:33) “Sell your possessions and give alms. Get yourselves purses that do not wear out, treasure that will not fail you, in Heaven where no thief can reach it and no moth destroy it. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”

(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

(Matthew 23:8-9) “You, however must not allow yourselves to be called Rabbi, since you have only one Master, and you are all brothers. You must call no one on earth your father, since you have only one Father, and he is in heaven.”

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

(John 12:47-48) “If anyone hears my words and does not keep them faithfully, it is not I who shall condemn him, since I have come not to condemn the world, but to save the world: he who rejects me and refuses my words has his judge already: the word itself that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.” Jerusalem Bible
 
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Your problem is, You believe what men says, Rather than what God says.
Nowhere does the Bible teach infant baptism, How can an infant, Hear and understand the gospel, Chose to believe it, then chose to repent, then chose to be baptised??.

Infant baptism is witchcraft. It's imposing one's will on someone else.
Dear God4me

Couple things. As you can see from quotes of the Church fathers it shows that infant baptism was very much a practice in the early Church. Secondly it isn't so much thst we are following them is more that it shows a continuation of apostolic faith in practice

Secondly. As far as infants being baptized in Scripture. Acts is recording the infancy of the Church. These are all adult converts. By the 2 Ned and 3rd generation Christians baptizing infants started to begin on a more regular basis. In addition scripture states " whole households were baptized. " that included both children above and below the age of reason. Can you show me anywhere in the NT where a child was refused baptism because they were too young?

Bsptism does three things
Removes the stain of original sin( which is why babies are baptized)
Second the person dies to the old nature of the Old Adam and is incorporated into the new Adam ( this is emphasized expecially in the Eastern Rites and Orthodox
Last we are corporates into the Body of Christ
 
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Dear God4me

Couple things. As you can see from quotes of the Church fathers it shows that infant baptism was very much a practice in the early Church. Secondly it isn't so much thst we are following them is more that it shows a continuation of apostolic faith in practice

Secondly. As far as infants being baptized in Scripture. Acts is recording the infancy of the Church. These are all adult converts. By the 2 Ned and 3rd generation Christians baptizing infants started to begin on a more regular basis. In addition scripture states " whole households were baptized. " that included both children above and below the age of reason. Can you show me anywhere in the NT where a child was refused baptism because they were too young?

Bsptism does three things
Removes the stain of original sin( which is why babies are baptized)
Second the person dies to the old nature of the Old Adam and is incorporated into the new Adam ( this is emphasized expecially in the Eastern Rites and Orthodox
Last we are corporates into the Body of Christ



Infant baptism wasn't taught by the Biblical Teachers, Or in the early church, It WAS NOT a Apostolic practise.
and just because some people did infant baptism, it doesn't mean it right, After all, The Catholics baptise infants, but that's not scriptural.

Just because people in the 2nd & 3rd generation baptised infants, It doesn't make it right.
And it wasn't Christians who baptised infants, Catholics baptise infants, but they aren't Christians.


Whole households wouldn't include infants, You are just being silly, The Biblical Christians weren't into witchcraft.

Just because the Bible doesn't say we CAN'T baptise infants, It doesn't mean we can, God's way for baptism, is.
[1]Hear and understand. [2] Believe and repent. [3] Chose to be baptised.
How can an infant hear, understand, believe, repent and chose to be baptised??.

Baptism DOESN'T remove the stains of original sins, The blood of Jesus does that.
The person DOESN'T die to the old nature, The rebirth does that.
Baptism DOESN'T place us in the body of Christ, The rebirth does that.

Can't you see what a false religion the RCC is?.
You go by what men do, rather then what the Bible teaches., You have more faith in men then you have in God and His word.
So you cannot go by what men say or practise.
 
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Infant baptism wasn't taught by the Biblical Teachers, Or in the early church, It WAS NOT a Apostolic practise.
and just because some people did infant baptism, it doesn't mean it right, After all, The Catholics baptise infants, but that's not scriptural.

Just because people in the 2nd & 3rd generation baptised infants, It doesn't make it right.
And it wasn't Christians who baptised infants, Catholics baptise infants, but they aren't Christians.


Whole households wouldn't include infants, You are just being silly, The Biblical Christians weren't into witchcraft.

Just because the Bible doesn't say we CAN'T baptise infants, It doesn't mean we can, God's way for baptism, is.
[1]Hear and understand. [2] Believe and repent. [3] Chose to be baptised.
How can an infant hear, understand, believe, repent and chose to be baptised??.

Baptism DOESN'T remove the stains of original sins, The blood of Jesus does that.
The person DOESN'T die to the old nature, The rebirth does that.
Baptism DOESN'T place us in the body of Christ, The rebirth does that.

Can't you see what a false religion the RCC is?.
You go by what men do, rather then what the Bible teaches., You have more faith in men then you have in God and His word.
So you cannot go by what men say or practise.
Dear God 4me

As you can see from the Patristic evidence the early Church did practice infant baptism. A far as your theology of baptism why don't you try and search the church fathers and find find all those things about baptism you think we're taught and believed by the Church of the Eastern and Western fathers.
I never read anywhere in the NT where a child was refused baptism so he could attend an altar call to" accept Jesys Christ as his personal savior" it's all baptism. In scripture and the practice of theChurch

Gods blessings to you
 
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Your problem is, You believe what men says, Rather than what God says.
Nowhere does the Bible teach infant baptism, How can an infant, Hear and understand the gospel, whiteChose to believe it, then chose to repent, then chose to be baptised??.

Infant baptism is witchcraft. It's imposing one's will on someone else.
Dear God 4 me

Again in case you missed it. Plenty of quotes from the Church Fathers on the practice of infant baptism in the early Church. There it is. Black and white

The Church has always practiced it. That is because salvation is a gift
 
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You are still misinterpreting John 12 Johnlove.

John 12:48
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Who are those who reject Him? They are the non-believers.

Jesus is says all those who rejects Him and does not receive His Words. Which words? The words of Salvation.

Jesus here is not talking about Born Again Christians, He is talking about those who reject Him.

This verse does not apply to Born Again Christians like you teach.

Therefore one must ask: Have you Johnlove accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior AND have received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
 
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You are still misinterpreting John 12 Johnlove.

John 12:48
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Who are those who reject Him? They are the non-believers.

Jesus is says all those who rejects Him and does not receive His Words. Which words? The words of Salvation.

Jesus here is not talking about Born Again Christians, He is talking about those who reject Him.

This verse does not apply to Born Again Christians like you teach.

Therefore one must ask: Have you Johnlove accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior AND have received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Dear Mike Henderson
Where on earth does those passages seperate " saved and " unsaved" people?

Gods blessings
 
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Do you DeaconMike and Johnlove not understand neither of you truly have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Why are both of you teaching Works for Salvation? Why are both of you teaching keeping ones Salvation by Works?

The only conclusion we can arrive at is both of you must be false Christians, better know as Catholics.

No True Christian would ever Worship Mary, and no Catholic will ever Worship only Jesus.
 
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As long as you Worship Mary DeaconMike you will never be able to understand the Scriptures because God has blinded your eyes to the Truth.

This is why you cannot see that you are teaching lies,
 
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Dear God 4 me

Again in case you missed it. Plenty of quotes from the Church Fathers on the practice of infant baptism in the early Church. There it is. Black and white

The Church has always practiced it. That is because salvation is a gift
As I have said, you believe what men says, rather than what the Bible teaches.

The TRUE CHURCH never did infant baptism.
Your problem is, you believe the lies of men rather than the Bible.
 
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The real problem God4me is DeaconMike rejects God and follows Mary and the Catholic Church.