Cruz gets boo'd off stage

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Sirk said:
Cruz didn't pledge to support everyone but trump as the eventual republican nominee. Did he?
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So he has to keep his word no matter what, but you don't?

What you're really saying is all conservatives should be standing up for Trump now. In reality, (because that so isn't reality), I have only heard one good reason I should back him -- because the next President determines what the Supreme Court will be for decades. That is something I'm considering, but I'm not sure that's enough reason to vote for that evil.

I won't vote for Slick Hill, but I'm pretty sure I can't vote for The Donld either.
 
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I don't think this is political suicide either. Nevertheless, he did make an agreement and backed out of it (sort of).

Since most people here are all for voting for the lesser evil (as opposed to voting for neither evil), they shouldn't have a double-standard that while Cruz agreed to support whichever candidate won, he changed his mind because he was choosing the lesser of two evils: break his pledge or support someone he doesn't see fit as president.

While I'm disappointed in Cruz for making the pledge, I actually respect him for standing for what he believes in and not caving to the mob chanting for him to endorse Trump.
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In my first election I voted for Ford, despite how many Christians were voting for Carter because he was a Christian. (I'm a Christian. I'd still make a lousy President.) I then got to vote for the man I truly wanted for President two times in a row. (Reagan.) Since then, I've been voting for the lesser of two evils. This time there is no "lesser" in the equation.

I have missed 2-3 elections in my lifetime. And I mean I voted every single year but those times, not merely I vote every four years. The only time I ever missed voting is when I was sick. But when the majority of Americans have proven they like evil, it's time to not vote for which evil. I'll still vote in November. I probably won't vote for President or will vote for Cruz.
 
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What silly little children. When I vote, it is NEVER for a "Conservative" or a "Liberal." I vote for the PERSON I feel is the best of the choices I have. (Personally, I think it is a bit dull-witted to vote for a "party.")
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Well, actually, I'd be happy to vote for Pence as President, however, that would be one vote out of potentially 350 million. (I suspect even his mom will vote for Trump this time. lol) Who are you voting for, since you don't think anyone needs a party?
 
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Have we forgotten the attacks on Trump wife from Heidi's super pac? Have we forgotten how Cruz tweeted how "Trump is terrific" after Trump made fun Carly Fiorina's face, mocked a disabled reporter. Cruz is a phony....always has been, always will be.....a political opportunist and his wife is in the tank for Goldman Sachs and she is honestly quite terrifying.
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the attack on melania trump did not come from the cruz campaign...nor are campaigns legally allowed to coordinate with super PACs... there is no basis for blaming that on cruz...

and actually no i haven't forgotten how cruz was an enabler of trump even as trump insulted carly fiorina's appearance and mocked disabled reporters and any of dozens of other offensive things trump was already doing... that is why i rejected cruz during the primary...back when lots of people here still thought he was great...including most of the trump supporters who now think cruz is horrible...

the telling thing that shows what this is -really- all about is that the trump supporters -didn't- have a problem with cruz calling trump 'terrific' back when trump was doing all of those disgusting things...they only have a problem with cruz -now- because he refuses to bow the knee to trump...

but getting back to cruz...his enabling of trump when he was 'the' credible tea party conservative who of all sixteen of trump's opponents probably had the most power and therefore the most responsibility to stop him...is also why i continue to regard cruz with suspicion to this day...he lost my trust then and i don't know if he can ever win it back...

in spite of that...i can still see and acknowledge that cruz did the right thing last night by keeping his vows to his wife and God's command to honor his father...regardless of a 'pledge' to support the nominee that -trump himself- disavowed a few months ago...

and as for goldman sachs...trump had no problem with immediately hiring a goldman sachs person as soon as he needed a finance chairman...rumor is that he is now considering this goldman sachs person for treasury secretary...
 
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I don't think Cruz hurt Trump at all
"Voting your conscious" means ABSOLUTELY NOT voting for Hillary. It would have been disingenuous for Cruz to give a ringing endorsement.

Look, I have been a vocal Cruz supporter and reeeaaally don't like Trump, but the fact is, he got more votes than any gop candidate in primary history. And I don't want to hear about open primaries. There was a robust competition for the Dem nod and people can't vote in both.

At the end of the day Hillary or Trump is going to be President. We KNOW THE wickedness Hillary is going to do on EVERY issue. Is Trump going to be better on immigration? YES. Is Trump going to be . better on terrorism? YES. Is Trumps pick for supreme court going to be better? ALMOST CERTAINLY. Is Trump going to be better on the economy. ALMOST CERTAINLY. Is Trump going to be better with police support. ALMOST CERTAINLY.

So there you have the nuts and bolts of this election. You can cut your nose off to spite your face, or you can swallow your pride and vote the vastly lesser of two evils.

That's how I see it anyways. Love you all no matter what happens!
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Is Trump going to be capable of bartering any peace treaty? NO!
Is Russia, the Middle East, Israel or China going to take him seriously? NO!
Is Trump going to keep world leaders as friends to the US? NO!
Is Trump going to get any of what he wants passed? NO!
Should he get what he wants passed? NO!

And there is the rub.
 
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Politics is a dirty business. If you can't run with the big dogs don't get off the porch.

I'm not impressed with Ted. I would have had more respect for him if he had accepted the loss with more humility. Trump set him up and he took the bait.

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We could have chosen someone who doesn't assume politics IS dirty business.

And I'm not sure he's after your respect given you think politics has to be dirty business.
 
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i don't even know what the big deal is for trump supporters here...

the trump campaign and the republican party bosses -approved- the cruz speech -as is- in advance of his giving that speech at the convention...they -knew- there was no endorsement of trump in it...

this outrage is nothing more than another scam of the trump campaign...
 
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So he has to keep his word no matter what, but you don't?

What you're really saying is all conservatives should be standing up for Trump now. In reality, (because that so isn't reality), I have only heard one good reason I should back him -- because the next President determines what the Supreme Court will be for decades. That is something I'm considering, but I'm not sure that's enough reason to vote for that evil.

I won't vote for Slick Hill, but I'm pretty sure I can't vote for The Donld either.
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What I am saying is Cruz pledged to endorse the eventual republican nominee. So did bush. That is all I am saying. Anything else and you are taking liberties and putting words in my mouth.
 
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I guess those that are all right with Cruz not endorsing Trump are okay with their boy friends (or husbands) conspiring with their sisters (or brothers) to gossip about them.
 
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i don't even know what the big deal is for trump supporters here...

the trump campaign and the republican party bosses -approved- the cruz speech -as is- in advance of his giving that speech at the convention...they -knew- there was no endorsement of trump in it...

this outrage is nothing more than another scam of the trump campaign...
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Worse yet, the liberals, including the media, are spinning it today, just as Sirk spinned it last night. Nothing like going along with MSM when it suits your purpose.
 
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No surprise that in these days loyalty means nothing to some people. Although I did not think Christians need apply.
Imagine of Jesus had the same attitude that Jesus when the chicken crowed 3 times.
 
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The outrage is that if your in the same political party you tow the line.
 
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Cruz to Texas Delegates: I Will Not Be A "Servile Puppy Dog" To A Man Who Slandered My Wife

"I am not in the habit of supporting people who attack my wife and attack my father," Cruz explained. "That pledge was not a blanket commitment that if you go and slander and attack Heidi, that I'm going to nonetheless come like a servile puppy dog and say thank you very much for maligning my wife and maligning my father."
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someone here said recently in another thread in support of trump that when a man 'acts like a man' a lot of people freak out...i've concluded that he was right...though not in the way he thought...

last night ted cruz acted like a real man and head of a family...who was not willing to let someone get away with attacking his wife and father for the sake of a political pledge...

and a lot of people freaked out...
 
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I guess those that are all right with Cruz not endorsing Trump are okay with their boy friends (or husbands) conspiring with their sisters (or brothers) to gossip about them.
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your analogy is completely backwards...last night cruz broke a political pledge but he was faithful to his family...
 
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That's not political suicide. That's standing up for truth!

Two true conservative spoke tonight. It's good to see the Grand Ole Party still has people who remember what conservatism is about. Four years from now after whining what's wrong with our party again having lost three elections in a row, maybe we'll get back to what the party is supposed to be about -- conservative views, not libertarianism.
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That ship sailed, my sister. I wish it wasn't so but that's the hard truth regarding the GOP; their sell outs.
 
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He did not act like a man last night. You know what acting like a man would have been? QUIT THE PARTY THEN.

But don't use the situation to further your own agenda. Selfish. It will backfire. The party will remember this.
 
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I kind of agree with Newt. What Cruz said was an endorsement of the GOP nominee albeit not a full-throated "rah,rah,rah Trump!" kind of endorsement. In that I do not see what the huge hubub was.

Definitely not political suicide. Ted Cruz will be haunting the Washington Cartel for quite some time more.
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If Trump don't win the general I'm pretty sure Cruz is the nominee come 2020. He's a smart politician acting like a chess player, and has done so for a long time now. I'm a little impressed by the way he is manipulating the GOP now. Whether or not the Donald wins the general, Cruz is the next candidate...maybe 2020, maybe 2024.
 
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You missed it. He was not faithful to his political family.
 
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In reality, (because that so isn't reality), I have only heard one good reason I should back him -- because the next President determines what the Supreme Court will be for decades. That is something I'm considering, but I'm not sure that's enough reason to vote for that evil.
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personally i dismiss the 'supreme court' argument purely on the basis of the fact that trump has already lied so many times that i have -zero- confidence in him actually doing anything he says he will do...and he has changed his political positions so many times that you never know -what- he's going to stand for tomorrow...let alone the day after the next supreme court justice dies...

that and he isn't even clear on what the supreme court does...a while back he commented that the supreme court should investigate hillary clinton... but the supreme court doesn't actually -investigate- anything...
 
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