healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

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You have missed the point, We aren't supposed to be conformed to this world,
Yet the Church has copied the worlds "Dress down Friday", But turned into dress down Sunday through to Saturday.

It's conforming to the worlds dress code, and Christians are supposed to be an example, Not a disgrace.

the dress code we need to get out of is the crimson sinful clothing we are to "hate even the clothing stained by sin" and we need to put on that robe offered by Jesus. theres a dress code in the wedding feast parable, gotta be wearing the garment provided bY the bridegroom or youll be tossed out into the darkness bound hand and foot, that fgarment is the one washed and made clean in His blood, which is what all of us are called to do, its laundry day until we have that clean linen
 
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Originally Posted by followjesus

honestly bruce I don't even read your comments anymore. I already have been in about 14 circles with you...taking communion is not a biblical teaching on healing. this is just simply another example of His ideas " supported" by trying to make scriptures mean something they don't mean, to sell his "revolution" of Gods word, or in other words to sell massive books. he teaches nearly nothing about loving others, which is the gospel. hes a deceiver, spreads deception, omits The truth. cant help it that I see through Him, gift from God in my eyes to recognize false teachers tho so not really sorry for it....its what Christians are suppose to do. recognize the spirits, test their truth against the truth of Christ........jps gospel comes up short, its a misleading doctrine. this is simply 1 example of it.

but out of respect u should know I don't even read your comments on the subject of obedience to Jesus, already know what u write before you write it done it for months no interest in the ongoing debate with you

be well tho and God Loves you




Originally Posted by Willie-T

Probably explains why you seem to know so little. LOL

Well, since the Op knows so little about communion & healing, perhaps with your great knowledge you wouldn't mind enlightening us with the scriptures that prove JP's teaching.
Willie, I still waiting for those scriptures..... yeah, scriptures, not excuses.
 
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There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion. Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.

It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8).

There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.

Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:

This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9).
We Christians do not partake of the Lord’s Supper unworthily, even if we have sin in our lives (see note 7 at this verse). If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).

Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.


Bible commentary
I found your "Bible Commentary" here at http://www.battlefieldnews.net/Bible_College/Discipleship Lessons/L50e - Communion.pdf

Andrew Wommack is an American conservative Evangelical Christian TV evangelist, a CharismaticWord of Faith teacher and faith healer, as well as the founder of Andrew Wommack Ministries[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] in 1978[SUP][2][/SUP] and Charis Bible College[SUP][1][/SUP] (originally Colorado Bible College)[SUP][3][/SUP] in 1994.[SUP][3][/SUP]
I don't consider Andrew Wommack's notes as a commentary. Go read a real commentary.:rolleyes:
 
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What if a "real commentary" doesn't believe in healing? Going to read them at face value is like going to read an atheist about the reality of Christ. That's why it's good to read from different sources and be open to the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of God that are freely given to us by God.

People can also agree to disagree too on some subjects....:)
 
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Anyone mentioned "Hyper Viper" yet?
I remember how many of you cried foul about name calling on others, & now here you do it.

Romans 2: 3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

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I remember how many of you cried foul about name calling on others, & now here you do it.

Romans 2: 3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

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I think the difference could be that Willie is not assigning that name to anyone. There is a difference when some one calls you a name directly. Willie is just giving a generalization.

If people don't identify with it then they will not be offended because it was not for them.

When the disciples heard Jesus talk about the group of Pharisees in general " You brood of vipers" - the disciples didn't think Jesus was talking to them and Jesus never singled one person out in the Pharisee group and called them a name specifically like some do that I have seen done.....selah
 
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I think the difference could be that Willie is not assigning that name to anyone. There is a difference when some one calls you a name directly. Willie is just giving a generalization.

If people don't identify with it then they will not be offended because it was not for them.

When the disciples heard Jesus talk about the group of Pharisees in general " You brood of vipers" - the disciples didn't think Jesus was talking to them and Jesus never singled one person out in the Pharisee group and called them a name specifically like some do that I have seen done.....selah
There is no difference..... he & others did it..... mockingly.
 
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That would be cool! ( some pun intended seeing as we are both in Canada )..I found a quote from a woman that could read Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and 2 other languages fluently since she was 23 years old but it was years before she understood 1 John 1:7 and it changed her whole life when the Holy Spirit illuminate the Greek to her.

She lived in the 1800's as well. She would have been called hyper too...no doubt about it!

Are you by any chance referring to Francis Ridley Havergale?? (sp) She was a child prodigy as well as amazing hymn writer and Christian woman. I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I also think she was sort of a loner too. I heard when she came to understand 1John 1:9 she was so happy and amazed. And this lady knew the Latin and Greek and Hebrew too.
 
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I found your "Bible Commentary" here at http://www.battlefieldnews.net/Bible_College/Discipleship Lessons/L50e - Communion.pdf

Andrew Wommack is an American conservative Evangelical Christian TV evangelist, a CharismaticWord of Faith teacher and faith healer, as well as the founder of Andrew Wommack Ministries[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] in 1978[SUP][2][/SUP] and Charis Bible College[SUP][1][/SUP] (originally Colorado Bible College)[SUP][3][/SUP] in 1994.[SUP][3][/SUP]
I don't consider Andrew Wommack's notes as a commentary. Go read a real commentary.:rolleyes:




Well, it is TOO a REAL Bible commentary!! Charles Ryrie has a study Bible with commentary too and I use it often. I also have a Bible commentary by lots of old time preachers on my book shelves at home I have not looked at for years. Also a commentary by Joyce Meyers for the Amplified Bible..,And some others as well as some of Andrew Wommack's Bible commentary books but used the one on line from his web site so I could cut and paste. It was not a secret Stephen63. :rolleyes: You didn't unlock a major secret or conspiracy here. :eek:

shhheeessshhh Stephen63 I read a lot of REAL Bible commentary and enjoy many different ideas but I don't agree with them all. For instance, Ryrie is not 100% my cup of tea but he has some very good commentary that I do agree with and find extremely helpful when discussing the rapture of the church., end times and also about dispensational truths. IF I had a Scofield Bible I'd use some of his commentary too since it was really helpful in years past when I first got saved. And since I do believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still active for today (5 fold ministry) many of the commentary by some of the teachers I used to listen to are not 100% my cup of tea anymore but I still find them helpful and use them for a resource. I don't have to agree 100% with another believer in order to love them and not think ill of them., or be suspicious of them bringing damnable heresies. I know God was not my enemy when I was ignorant of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. He loved me just the same.

 
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LadyL,

somehow it looks like some of the posts got mixed-up!

precious Lady, you are indeed a Lady and hubby and I respect you very much for being
who you are, 'even though we may have differences' - please, keep-on being who you are
and never ever let anyone's words or their own personal beliefs interfere with the beautiful
person Jesus is creating you to become...:)

How very kind of you and your hubby. :) (How is that eye of yours?) I'm so glad we can love and respect one another although we have different opinions about some Bible interpretations. God is well able to work out all the wrinkles each one of us Christians have. It was a major relief and revelation to me a few short years ago when the Holy Spirit showed me I don't need to help Him do His job. Then we are able to love one another without worry we are doing something wrong. It's never wrong to extend grace to another believer in Christ. It's actually always right and we can't go wrong when we do! I'm so thankful you guys do. It's so very encouraging to see here on CC. Thank you so much Mr.and Mrs.oldethenew. :)
 
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This is such nonsensical foolishness. Do you go get "dressed up" before you pray to God in your home? No, you are dressing to impress other men about how holy you are when you go to the "sacred" building.
very,VERY well said.
 
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I remember how many of you cried foul about name calling on others, & now here you do it.

Romans 2: 3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

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I guess you have not been keeping up

I started the funny hyper expression gag

that's all it is

on the other hand, you and others calling grace hyper? well, that's on you
 
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Are you by any chance referring to Francis Ridley Havergale?? (sp) She was a child prodigy as well as amazing hymn writer and Christian woman. I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I also think she was sort of a loner too. I heard when she came to understand 1John 1:9 she was so happy and amazed. And this lady knew the Latin and Greek and Hebrew too.

I think this one is going to Grace777?

I've been seeing some mixed up quote features round these parts...or maybe my laptop has decided to do some quirky formatting? :p
 
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Are you by any chance referring to Francis Ridley Havergale?? (sp) She was a child prodigy as well as amazing hymn writer and Christian woman. I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly but I also think she was sort of a loner too. I heard when she came to understand 1John 1:9 she was so happy and amazed. And this lady knew the Latin and Greek and Hebrew too.
Yep..that is her but it was 1 John 1:7 I will post it here now about her.


Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven.

I was reading this morning about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew. She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat. She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 ..."His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.

Here is a direct quote:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?

"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."


She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a "hyper-grace" heretic by some.

Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.

Source: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
 
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Isaiah 58:

6 "Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter-- when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear; then your righteousness will go before you, and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
 
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James 5:

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
 
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I found your "Bible Commentary" here at http://www.battlefieldnews.net/Bible_College/Discipleship Lessons/L50e - Communion.pdf

Andrew Wommack is an American conservative Evangelical Christian TV evangelist, a CharismaticWord of Faith teacher and faith healer, as well as the founder of Andrew Wommack Ministries[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] in 1978[SUP][2][/SUP] and Charis Bible College[SUP][1][/SUP] (originally Colorado Bible College)[SUP][3][/SUP] in 1994.[SUP][3][/SUP]
I don't consider Andrew Wommack's notes as a commentary. Go read a real commentary.:rolleyes:
Good grief! What fills the space between your ears?
 
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Isaiah 58:

9 Then you will call, and the LORD will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I. "If you do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk,
10 and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday.
11 The LORD will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail.