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You should thank your lucky suns that Christians developed higher education for the purpose of better understanding God's creation. However, scientists are not always right. In fact, sometimes they are quite wrong. 
Bible is written from the man´s perspective. The viewer standing on the ground and seeing the future.
For them, meteorites were the same as falling stars. Helicopters with pilots like "locusts with the face of man" etc.
There are two extremes:
- taking these things as literal (stars must mean what we mean by stars today) or taking them as "uneducated zero idea"
You actually made both mistakes at once, good job.
For them, meteorites were the same as falling stars. Helicopters with pilots like "locusts with the face of man" etc.
There are two extremes:
- taking these things as literal (stars must mean what we mean by stars today) or taking them as "uneducated zero idea"
You actually made both mistakes at once, good job.
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The "without form, and void" description in the Hebrew of Gen.1:2 is not accurate. Hebrew tohuw va bohuw points more to the condition of something laid waste.
Even in the KJV, we are shown the earth laid waste at Gen.1:2 with a flood of waters upon all of it, covering the whole earth (i.e., "face of the deep" and "face of the waters". The subject of those "face of the waters" continues all the way to Gen.1:9 when God gathers the waters left upon the earth to make the dry land appear. He didn't create the dry land with that; the earth was already there underneath all those waters.
A summary:
Gen.1:2 - flood waters overspread upon the whole earth (heavens and earth was created back at v.1).
Gen.1:6-7 - a firmament (sky) divides the waters upon the earth. Part of the waters are moved up into the sky, forming today's atmosphere around the earth, and the rest of the waters are left upon the earth still covering it whole.
Gen.1:9 - God gathers the waters overspread upon the earth to one place to make the dry land appear. (Not creation of the ground of earth, but a revealing of the earth already existing underneath those "face of the waters" all the way back in v.2).
In Jeremiah 4:23-28 the tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") is used again, but it is about the earth going into a waste state because of a destruction by God's fierce anger. Thus using Scripture to interpret Scripture, the Gen.1:2 tohuw va bohuw event is NOT about a gaseous ether state of nothingness; it's about the earth gone into a waste and ruin state. That is how tohuw is used in the majority of KJV cases, about something once good going into a bad condition.
In Romans 8, Apostle Paul points to that destruction of old, long before Adam. Some like to think the creation went into bondage along with Adam when he and Eve sinned, but there is no evidence of that. Even at the end of Hebrews 12 Paul relates to how God will once again shake not the earth only, but heaven also...
Heb 12:25-27
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
KJV
"Yet once more" is about a future shaking that is coming upon this earth that will be about ending man's works off the earth. That's "things that are made" point to, i.e., man's work done by his hands. The things that won't be shaken are about the things of God's creation, including those in Christ.
Yet the underlying question put forth by that Hebrews Scripture is, just when... was the previous shaking of this earth? When did God previously do that? We know He destroyed man in the time of Noah with a flood, but that won't cover all those events of Jeremiah 4:23-28 where He shook the earth, and all the hills and mountains moved... and there was NO MAN...
Jer 4:23-28
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJV
That last verse is talking about the sky above the earth being black, which points to dark storm clouds. Because of that event, the sky above would be black, which is about the storms created in the earth's atmosphere for today's... earth age time.
Furthermore, Satan was that "old serpent" in God's Garden that tempted Eve. So Satan was already in the role of adversary against God by that time of Adam and Eve. So when did Satan first rebel against God? because in Ezek.28, Isaiah 14, and Ezek.31 we are shown that God originally created Satan a good cherub perfect in his ways, until ... he rebelled against God in wanting to be God. Satan already being the adversary in the time of Adam and Eve moves the time of his original rebellion back to before... that. So when was that?
That Jer.4 ancient destruction upon the surface of the earth by God's fierce anger suggests that happened at a time way prior to the time of Noah.
Because of this, how old the earth is really doesn't matter. It's simply that Genesis 1 shows this earth could be close to 7 to 10,000 years old, or it could be millions of years old. We have no absolute way of knowing.
Even in the KJV, we are shown the earth laid waste at Gen.1:2 with a flood of waters upon all of it, covering the whole earth (i.e., "face of the deep" and "face of the waters". The subject of those "face of the waters" continues all the way to Gen.1:9 when God gathers the waters left upon the earth to make the dry land appear. He didn't create the dry land with that; the earth was already there underneath all those waters.
A summary:
Gen.1:2 - flood waters overspread upon the whole earth (heavens and earth was created back at v.1).
Gen.1:6-7 - a firmament (sky) divides the waters upon the earth. Part of the waters are moved up into the sky, forming today's atmosphere around the earth, and the rest of the waters are left upon the earth still covering it whole.
Gen.1:9 - God gathers the waters overspread upon the earth to one place to make the dry land appear. (Not creation of the ground of earth, but a revealing of the earth already existing underneath those "face of the waters" all the way back in v.2).
In Jeremiah 4:23-28 the tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") is used again, but it is about the earth going into a waste state because of a destruction by God's fierce anger. Thus using Scripture to interpret Scripture, the Gen.1:2 tohuw va bohuw event is NOT about a gaseous ether state of nothingness; it's about the earth gone into a waste and ruin state. That is how tohuw is used in the majority of KJV cases, about something once good going into a bad condition.
In Romans 8, Apostle Paul points to that destruction of old, long before Adam. Some like to think the creation went into bondage along with Adam when he and Eve sinned, but there is no evidence of that. Even at the end of Hebrews 12 Paul relates to how God will once again shake not the earth only, but heaven also...
Heb 12:25-27
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
KJV
"Yet once more" is about a future shaking that is coming upon this earth that will be about ending man's works off the earth. That's "things that are made" point to, i.e., man's work done by his hands. The things that won't be shaken are about the things of God's creation, including those in Christ.
Yet the underlying question put forth by that Hebrews Scripture is, just when... was the previous shaking of this earth? When did God previously do that? We know He destroyed man in the time of Noah with a flood, but that won't cover all those events of Jeremiah 4:23-28 where He shook the earth, and all the hills and mountains moved... and there was NO MAN...
Jer 4:23-28
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
KJV
That last verse is talking about the sky above the earth being black, which points to dark storm clouds. Because of that event, the sky above would be black, which is about the storms created in the earth's atmosphere for today's... earth age time.
Furthermore, Satan was that "old serpent" in God's Garden that tempted Eve. So Satan was already in the role of adversary against God by that time of Adam and Eve. So when did Satan first rebel against God? because in Ezek.28, Isaiah 14, and Ezek.31 we are shown that God originally created Satan a good cherub perfect in his ways, until ... he rebelled against God in wanting to be God. Satan already being the adversary in the time of Adam and Eve moves the time of his original rebellion back to before... that. So when was that?
That Jer.4 ancient destruction upon the surface of the earth by God's fierce anger suggests that happened at a time way prior to the time of Noah.
Because of this, how old the earth is really doesn't matter. It's simply that Genesis 1 shows this earth could be close to 7 to 10,000 years old, or it could be millions of years old. We have no absolute way of knowing.
ISAIAH 55:1 “Come, everyone who thirsts, to the waters! Come, he who has no money, buy, and eat! Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
ISAIAH 55:2 Why do you spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which doesn’t satisfy? listen diligently to me, and eat you that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
but the invitation is not for everyone, just those who thirst
Good morning.
Yes, I think God created the Universe in the verse 1.
But why to put something important between verse 1 and 2?
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Jeremiah 4 is about the Israel and the punishmend from God.
You can see in context that the earh was desolated in the time of Jeremiah because of war.
Jer 4:16:
A besieging army is coming from a distant land, raising a war cry against the cities of Judah...
Disaster follows disaster; the whole land lies in ruins. In an instant my tents are destroyed, my shelter in a moment.
How long must I see the battle standard and hear the sound of the trumpet? (20,21)
I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert; all its towns lay in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger....
At the sound of horsemen and archers every town takes to flight....(29)
So by "earth is without form and empty" is not meant something in creation days, but the land of Israel, towns ruined by war.
Sky can be black by a smoke of war and burning cities, too.
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I think that the best and simplest explanation is that of what science gives us. That the continents were coming up from waters.
LXX has "the ground was unseen and unprepared", which fits the science perfectly.
Yes, I think God created the Universe in the verse 1.
But why to put something important between verse 1 and 2?
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Jeremiah 4 is about the Israel and the punishmend from God.
You can see in context that the earh was desolated in the time of Jeremiah because of war.
Jer 4:16:
A besieging army is coming from a distant land, raising a war cry against the cities of Judah...
Disaster follows disaster; the whole land lies in ruins. In an instant my tents are destroyed, my shelter in a moment.
How long must I see the battle standard and hear the sound of the trumpet? (20,21)
I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert; all its towns lay in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger....
At the sound of horsemen and archers every town takes to flight....(29)
So by "earth is without form and empty" is not meant something in creation days, but the land of Israel, towns ruined by war.
Sky can be black by a smoke of war and burning cities, too.
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I think that the best and simplest explanation is that of what science gives us. That the continents were coming up from waters.
LXX has "the ground was unseen and unprepared", which fits the science perfectly.
In the beginning of what? Who decided that Bereshit (the Hebrew word translated as in the beginning) should be in the beginning?
There is nothing wrong with translating bereshit as "in the beginning" but an alternative meaning could also be:
Be - In
Reshit - a rumbling and a shaking
so, In a rumbling and a shaking Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
There is nothing wrong with translating bereshit as "in the beginning" but an alternative meaning could also be:
Be - In
Reshit - a rumbling and a shaking
so, In a rumbling and a shaking Elohim created the heavens and the earth.