Who is the Nephilim?

garee · Jul 30, 2016

Did David kill the last one?

How could he destroy them with the flood and even after the flood some Angels must have again had relations with the daughters of men?

Are there still angels having relations with humans?

He destroyed all who did not have the faith of Christ, which comes from hearing God, even the midgets.

There are plenty of tall humans around . My wife is 4 inches taller than I .

In my own sight I can feel like a grasshopper to her. She is like an angel to me. We have 6 off springs . Is she considered a Anaikim ? She says she is German, are Germans Anakims? I am also German of the Heinz fifty seven variety.

Of all the verses that mention the Anakins not once are they referred to as fallen angels that have dna, as rudiments of this world.

Numbers 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

Numbers 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Can we know an angel who has no form?

Was David the giant angel killer? Are there still angels today that have left there first place of habitation..

Much to think about I would say.

Adstar · Jul 30, 2016

garee said:

Did David kill the last one?

How could he destroy them with the flood and even after the flood some Angels must have again had relations with the daughters of men?

Are there still angels having relations with humans?

He destroyed all who did not have the faith of Christ, which comes from hearing God, even the midgets.

There are plenty of tall humans around . My wife is 4 inches taller than I .

In my own sight I can feel like a grasshopper to her. She is like an angel to me. We have 6 off springs . Is she considered a Anaikim ? She says she is German, are Germans Anakims? I am also German of the Heinz fifty seven variety.

Of all the verses that mention the Anakins not once are they referred to as fallen angels that have dna, as rudiments of this world.

Numbers 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

Numbers 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Can we know an angel who has no form?

Was David the giant angel killer? Are there still angels today that have left there first place of habitation..

Much to think about I would say.

I did not say that David killed an Angel.. David killed a giant a son of Anak who was a hybrid decedent of a union between an angel and a human woman..

John146 · Jul 30, 2016

garee said:

A man is at least 5' taller than a grasshopper. These giants were at least 5' taller than man which would make man like grasshoppers in their sight.

John146 · Jul 30, 2016

Adstar said:

And some of these offspring had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.

2 Samuel 21:20, "And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant."

garee · Jul 30, 2016

I added the (parentheses) to the above

Again according to my opinion I see that a little differently.

Iron and clay represents these earthen vessels we live in that have the power or authority of God as the strength of the clay but understand that strength is not of our own self.

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The doctrine is not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers, represented this time by the seed of man, the same meaning as daughters of men, to represent the unconverted .

We should take iron in if we are older in our years. Iron sharpens iron.

The Daniel passage as well as the Genesis can be summed up as below.

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

garee · Jul 30, 2016

John146 said:

Its all about whose perspective.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as "grasshoppers"; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The inhabitants from heaven have no form no DNa needed to reproduce. The most they can produce I believe is Drama 101.

SteelToedKodiak · Jul 30, 2016

JosephsDreams said:

What about the dozens, if not hundreds of bones discovered over the centuries that show people being as tall as over 20 feet?
How were some structures built that we can't even do today> Yes, there are some stone in this world that we can't lift with our modern cranes.
What about the purity of Noah?
The book of Enoch is referred to in the bible.
Why did God tell the Israelite's to kill not only al woman and children, but even all the animals of certain groups? Maybe because God was concerned of a repeat with what happened with dinosaurs?
What about hundreds of alien sightings, UFO sightings, alien abduction stories? Funny how the uptick in all of these coincide with the times that the fallen angels were to be released, according to certain sources.
So because angels are not sexual does not mean they did not have the technology knowledge to do this?
Because there is a man that was about 9 feet tall, means that the bible is incorrect? So then how do we explain dwarfs or midgets conversely?
How did man get certain knowledge back in those ancient days? From the garden to working with metals, understanding astrology, and so on. Is it at least possible that fallen angels instructed them in some areas?
I am not expert about this, but I have studied this for about over 150 hours over the years, and I personally find the evidence compelling that there were giants, and it was fallen angels.

This is where I land on the topic. The book of Enoch is not "vetted" as the inspired word of God, however, if you take that as it is and look at the writing as a possible historical account the book of Enoch answers the question about who the Nephilim are as well as a lot of other mysteries.

reneweddaybyday · Jul 30, 2016

garee said:

Read Numbers 13:33 ---

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

The word "giants" in Num 13:33 is the Hebrew word nĕphiyl which is the same word used in Genesis 6:4.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them ...

The nephilim are not fallen angels. The nephilim are the offspring resulting from the sons of God coming in unto the daughters of men.

When the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bear children to them, the offspring were referred to as nĕphiyl.

ukok102nak · Jul 30, 2016

:haha: it is a dream interpretation
as it is written
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Daniel: 2. 1. And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
2. Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king.
3. And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.

4. Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation. 5. The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill.
6. But if ye shew the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall receive of me gifts and rewards and great honour: therefore shew me the dream, and the interpretation thereof.

7. They answered again and said, Let the king tell his servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation of it.
8. The king answered and said, I know of certainty that ye would gain the time, because ye see the thing is gone from me.
9. But if ye will not make known unto me the dream, there is but one decree for you: for ye have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak before me, till the time be changed: therefore tell me the dream, and I shall know that ye can shew me the interpretation thereof.

10. The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.

11. And it is a rare thing that the king requireth, and there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh.
12. For this cause the king was angry and very furious, and commanded to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.
13. And the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain; and they sought Daniel and his fellows to be slain.

14. Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom to Arioch the captain of the king's guard, which was gone forth to slay the wise men of Babylon:
15. He answered and said to Arioch the king's captain, Why is the decree so hasty from the king? Then Arioch made the thing known to Daniel.
16. Then Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation.
17. Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions:
18. That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.

19. Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20. Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21. And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

22. He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23. I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.

24. Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.
25. Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.

26. The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?
27. Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

28. But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29. As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

30. But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
31. Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
32. This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33. His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
34. Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
36. This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
37. Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
38. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
39. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40. And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

44. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
46. Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

47. The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

48. Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.
49. Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, over the affairs of the province of Babylon: but Daniel sat in the gate of the king.

garee · Jul 30, 2016

Adstar said:

I did not say that David killed an Angel.. David killed a giant a son of Anak who was a hybrid decedent of a union between an angel and a human woman..[/QUOTE

Angels that left there first place of habitation (not earth) do not have any form. They need a form to seduce man .

In the garden the father of lies Satan, used a serpent, in Mathew,Satan used a man. The same Satan who seduces men today that he does have a form , called tall men. He can use any height even a midget to offend the things of God.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men."Mat 16:22

What would be the purpose of making giants into angels who have no form? What hope is there in that, perhaps that we would steer clear of men or women taller than us? Basketball yes, spiritul matters that have to do with faith . I see none ,or at least today.

UnderGrace · Jul 30, 2016

Magenta, I absolutely agree.

I think that there is a lot of deception out there about the nephilim and their return, some believing them to be part demon part human. However as you state this does not work with the rest of what scripture tells us.

Magenta said:

Jesus said we will be as the angels following the resurrection of all, not being given in marriage. Do you think that implies any gender? Do you think God really has a gender? Why would immortal, eternal spirit beings have need of such things? The flood was brought about by the state of men's hearts, being that they were evil. I tend to agree with the sons of God being of the line of Seth, and the daughters of men being from Cain's line. There are people alive today who are very tall. Robert Wadlow is now deceased, but he was almost nine feet tall.

Gen. 6
5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

jaybird88 · Jul 30, 2016

oldhermit said:

yeah because i see men as tall as ceder trees all the time.

ukok102nak · Jul 30, 2016

:haha: as it is written
:read:
Judas: 1. 14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21. Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22. And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23. And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

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godbless us all always

garee · Jul 30, 2016

Yes Strongs defines them as a as an old tribe of giants like the Watussi in Africa today. .

Genesis 6:4

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There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them ...

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Sons of God represent those who are led by the spirit of God . Not the spirit of rebellion by the fallen angels . Daughters of men in respect to the seed of men represent unbelievers. When they mingled with believers they produce really tall men .

My family leans toward the shorter.I, when working in the foundry for 35 years was the brunt of the short people jokes

My wife the jolly giant still calls me shorty.

The doctrine is not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. Why make them into angels that have no form ,no dna?

jaybird88 · Jul 30, 2016

garee said:

when the spies came back it took 2 of them to carry a thing of grapes. also this generation saw the power of the Lord when He fed them and delivered armies to them yet what they saw in canaan scared them so bad it made them want to run back to egypt.
if i witnessed the power of the Lord at the red sea, saw with my own 2 eyes His power, a bunch of 10' tall guys wouldnt scare me so bad. it would take a lot more than that which is what i think happened.

reneweddaybyday · Jul 30, 2016

garee said:

I see the validity of both arguments. I figure we'll understand it all in due time. It's not an issue that should cause division/schism in the body of Christ --- imho.

oldhermit · Jul 30, 2016

John146 said:

Here is the issue with Gen 6. Since the text does not specifically tell us that those 'sons of God' are angels we are left with no alternative but to apply an interpretation to the 'sons of God' so, the question is what interpretation do we assign to the meaning of this term? If we assign angelic beings to this term then we must then find where scripture itself assigns such a definition to this term. We see repeated passages where 'sons of God' is used to describe men as the subject but there is not one text that ever defines angels in this way. The only possible passage that may indicate that this refers to angels is Job 38:6-7 but even this is inconclusive. Scripture must ALWAYS be allowed to define its own use of language.

oldhermit · Jul 30, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Well, for one this is not a vision of Job's nor is he recounting this story. The book of Job was more than likely written by Moses, but certainly not Job. You assume that because Satan and God are having this conversation that this "presentation" of the sons of God is something that must taking place in heaven? If so, what could this possibly have to do with Job and why would one automatically assume that Satan must be in heaven for this conversation between Satan and God to be taking place? Leviticus defines the terminology for us about one's presentation to Jehovah.

ukok102nak · Jul 30, 2016

:rofl: who is jehovah

ukok102nak · Jul 30, 2016

:haha: maybe an alien
by the way we could ask our brethren

about this
be right back

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