What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

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Grandpa

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That's right. The "new covenant" is not the "old covenant" renewed, reconstituted, refurbished, or reformed. The New Covenant is just that, new, entirely new; the new and Living way in the newness of life with Jesus Christ. You can no more bring over those old covenant precepts and principles into the new covenant than you can retroactively project new covenant precepts and principles back into the old covenant.

It is the failure to understand, accept and maintain that distinction that is the reason for the Judaized Christianity and Christianized Judaism that we see so much of today. Neither of which is Christianity.
I thought it might be fun to actually answer the OP.

Instead of arguing with the lawyers and judaizers...

Scripture will show their error and what they are missing out on.
 

Grandpa

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2 Corinthians 3:3-8
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?


The old covenant, the ministration of death written on stones, along with its condemnation is done away in Christ.

The New Covenant, the Ministration of the Spirit of the Living God written on our hearts, is a much better covenant bringing Life. Abundant Life, Eternal Life.
 

Grandpa

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Romans 9:30-33
[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


In the old covenant they followed after laws for their righteousness. Do this, don't do that. Eat this, don't eat that. Observe this, don't observe that.

In the New Covenant we follow our High Priest by faith. We are righteous before God because we have faith that our High Priest has made us that way and has Said So. Not by any of our work. By our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Galatians 5:3
And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

People who want to take us back to law. and make us do one point of the law to be saved, as the galtion people did trying to add physical circumcision to the gospel for salvation. They are indebted to keep the whole law.

However, as James said, If we keep it all and mess up in one point, We have been found guilty of breaking the law. and are condemned by the curse of the law..


That curse, Death, Now try to make yourself alive after you have died, It is impossible..
 

Grandpa

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Galatians 5:3
And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

People who want to take us back to law. and make us do one point of the law to be saved, as the galtion people did trying to add physical circumcision to the gospel for salvation. They are indebted to keep the whole law.

However, as James said, If we keep it all and mess up in one point, We have been found guilty of breaking the law. and are condemned by the curse of the law..


That curse, Death, Now try to make yourself alive after you have died, It is impossible..
The interesting thing is that those who attempt to teach and take people back to law say it is not for salvation.

They say it is for obedience.

They are extremely confused on what obedience actually is. It is not attained by the will and strength of the flesh.

Only those who have been to Christ know this. They have had the vail removed from their hearts and minds.


Galatians 3:19-22
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The interesting thing is that those who attempt to teach and take people back to law say it is not for salvation.

They say it is for obedience.

They are extremely confused on what obedience actually is. It is not attained by the will and strength of the flesh.

Only those who have been to Christ know this. They have had the vail removed from their hearts and minds.


Galatians 3:19-22
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
I think Jesus showed us also. When he said the law says do not commit adultry, But I tell you. If you eve look at a woman, you have sinned. Than law can not even tell us how good we are. it can just give us false hope we are good. because we did not do certain things. Which is why one can be a "lawyer" and think they are ok with God.. where as other people see the same law. And see how filthy rotten sinners they are (look at soul, Who though he was an obedient master of God who followed the law. and because the chief of all sinners.. Here is a person who saw the law from both perspectives) I believe it takes us seeing the law the way Paul did and not the way Saul did to bring us to repentance.

I also think it is funny, They say it is not for salvation, Yet they will say if you do not do it, Your not saved, or may lose salvation..
 

Grandpa

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Colossians 2 is next but I have to go do errands... remind me if I get sidetracked...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Colossians 2 is next but I have to go do errands... remind me if I get sidetracked...

I like it, lets just bring some verses.. I will wait on you.. I have to leave also here in a few..
 
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jaybird88

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We don't do what WE will but what God wills for our lives.

I seek to follow God not a set of dos and donts....but I prefer to avoid "grace versus law" debates because it seems pointless when neither side really listens to the other.

What are your thoughts on communion and Passover?

I know you and the grace camp have this urgent need to debate the importance of law, but just wondering what you believed on a different topic.

if one seeks to follow the Lord and the Lord says obey some dos and donts, do you obey or reject that?

i think communion and Passover should be observed. that what ur asking?
 
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jaybird88

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So now we must throw out the truth because some Satanists believe Satan has liberated them??

Christians have been freed from one thing, the Law, to another, Christ, and the new Way of the Spirit. If you miss that second part you will never understand how we can be free of the Law.
it seems strange so many would accept a belief thats a leading luceferian doctrine. our way has always been opposite of their way. do we have any examples in the bible of the Lords people and satans people having the same goals and beliefs? all the places i have read of such things (Jews falling to idolatry) the bible makes it clear the Lord does not like it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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it seems strange so many would accept a belief thats a leading luceferian doctrine. our way has always been opposite of their way. do we have any examples in the bible of the Lords people and satans people having the same goals and beliefs? all the places i have read of such things (Jews falling to idolatry) the bible makes it clear the Lord does not like it.
Actually yes we do. We see satan all over scripture taking a bunch of truth, Distorting it with little lies. And people receive this as Gods truth.

That is how satan works..
 
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FreeNChrist

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it seems strange so many would accept a belief thats a leading luceferian doctrine. our way has always been opposite of their way. do we have any examples in the bible of the Lords people and satans people having the same goals and beliefs? all the places i have read of such things (Jews falling to idolatry) the bible makes it clear the Lord does not like it.
How do you expect to be taken seriously when you say such obviously ridiculous things?
 
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FreeNChrist

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Actually yes we do. We see satan all over scripture taking a bunch of truth, Distorting it with little lies. And people receive this as Gods truth.

That is how satan works..
Right, that's Satan's M.O., not ours.
 
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working4christ2

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Originally Posted by working4christ2

Please help ME to understand:

What exactly IS the "final Passover?"

God Bless you,

Patrick



The one referenced in the post I was responding to.

My friend, NO,

Just as in Jewish Tradition and Practice the Passover is still celebrated; so too Christ Easter prolongs this historic event.

FURTHER it is continued DAILY in every Catholic Church; every Catholic Mass throughout the entire world.

God Bless you

Patrick




Originally Posted by working4christ2

Please help ME to understand:

What exactly IS the "final Passover?"

God Bless you,

Patrick
 
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jaybird88

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Actually yes we do. We see satan all over scripture taking a bunch of truth, Distorting it with little lies. And people receive this as Gods truth.

That is how satan works..
exactly my point.
 
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jaybird88

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How do you expect to be taken seriously when you say such obviously ridiculous things?
ridiculous - meaning what i said is wrong or ridiculous because they are scary facts you dont want to see?
 
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Ariel82

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if one seeks to follow the Lord and the Lord says obey some dos and donts, do you obey or reject that?
it's not about a chore list your parents leave you to do before they come back home, it's about having a relationship with our Heavenly Father.

The parable of the son who said he would not go to the vineyard, but later repented and went or the son who said he would but did not go, who obeyed their father?

I will admit I do not know all the laws found in the old testament but God has shown me what I need to know to live this life. Just as He shows all His children through the Holy Spirit.

i think communion and Passover should be observed. that what ur asking?
No, but I will have to think and pray for the words to speak the question clearer......

What is the gospel message?

and

how does keeping or not keeping communion and Passover affect your salvation?


That's what i was wondering.

Thank you for responding.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Originally Posted by working4christ2

Please help ME to understand:

What exactly IS the "final Passover?"

God Bless you,

Patrick






My friend, NO,

Just as in Jewish Tradition and Practice the Passover is still celebrated; so too Christ Easter prolongs this historic event.

FURTHER it is continued DAILY in every Catholic Church; every Catholic Mass throughout the entire world.

God Bless you

Patrick




Originally Posted by working4christ2

Please help ME to understand:

What exactly IS the "final Passover?"

God Bless you,

Patrick
Post #64 in this thread.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ours too, Legalism is gospel mixed with some sort of law. And is sees as righteous and from God, when it is Gods truth twised by satan, and made to look like righteousness.