Holiness Is Not Legalism

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Gr8grace

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kaylagrl said:
You are missing the point. We are told to count the cost. Jesus said if we love Him we will keep His commandments,we will do what He says. One goes hand in hand with the other. We do it out of love,not out of legalism a list of do and dont. We walk in the Spirit and we dont live like the world. You have your mind made up,and thats fine, you wont acknowledge anything in the post,thats up to you. But its balanced with the Word of God. I dont see what there is to disagree with.
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I am not missing the point. I get it all to well.

Salvation and discipleship are 2 different entities.

At salvation we count the cost of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. What He paid for us.

In our discipleship we count the cost to ourselves. We will have to sacrifice things.

And discipleship takes time,training and most of all the Holy Spirit. So salvation has to be complete and done and finished before we ever become a disciple of Christ. If salvation is not complete in our Spirit and solid in our thoughts and beliefs, we will never be true disciples for Christ. It is this solid,secure and eternal salvation we are suppose to bring to the lost.
 
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kaylagrl

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Gr8grace said:
Ok. re-read~~

This is hogwash. lordship salvation is its name.

It cost Him everything for our salvation. And it cost us NOTHING. He simple asks us to believe.

Our discipleship is counting the cost. That is why we don't see many disciples around......they are stuck at salvation and counting the cost(to themselves) of their salvation. And they never really get beyond salvation. A life of wondering or maintain something that God signed, sealed, approved and delivered the moment we placed our trust in HIS work.
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Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.2 Corinthians 7:1

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.Hebrews 12:14

But just as he who called you is holy,so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”1 Peter 1:15-16

He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.2 Timothy 1:9


But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.Ephesians 5:3

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.Romans 12:1


​Legalism or Holiness?





 
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FreeNChrist

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PennEd said:
Just by using the word "cheap" that implies there is a cost the recipient must bear. That's why I really don't like the in vogue use the term "cheap Grace". It's an oxymoron. In terms of what WE do to obtain Grace, neither cheap not expensive even makes sense to describe Grace.
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That's right. Gods grace isn't cheap, it's free.
 
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kaylagrl

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FreeNChrist said:
That's right. Gods grace isn't cheap, it's free.
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Once again, please stop twisting what I said. I did not say God grace was cheap. That is not the meaning of cheap grace.
 
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FreeNChrist

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kaylagrl said:
Once again, please stop twisting what I said. I did not say God grace was cheap. That is not the meaning of cheap grace.
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I wasn't referencing you, nor were you even in my mind.
 
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Gr8grace

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kaylagrl said:
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.2 Corinthians 7:1

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.Hebrews 12:14

But just as he who called you is holy,so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”1 Peter 1:15-16

He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.2 Timothy 1:9


But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.Ephesians 5:3

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.Romans 12:1


​Legalism or Holiness?





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If one is doing any of it to keep salvation, maintain salvation or think that it has any bearing what so ever on their position in Christ.............It is legalism.

If one is walking in the Spirit and doing it through the Spirit..........it is holiness.
 
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kaylagrl

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Gr8grace said:
If one is doing any of it to keep salvation, maintain salvation or think that it has any bearing what so ever on their position in Christ.............It is legalism.

If one is walking in the Spirit and doing it through the Spirit..........it is holiness.
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We agree. We do it because we are walking in the Spirit.
 
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Officermayo

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kaylagrl said:
We agree. We do it because we are walking in the Spirit.
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A favorite song of mine performed by the ORU music ministry was "Walking In The Spirit":

I am walking in the spirt - I am living by His word
I am not defeated anymore - and I'm growing stronger in the Lord
No weapon can come against me 'cause I have the power of His word
Walking in the spirit of the Lord
 
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Now why couldn't I have said this......... Wonderful, concise, and most important true. God bless you dear teacher, amen.

Gr8grace said:
If one is doing any of it to keep salvation, maintain salvation or think that it has any bearing what so ever on their position in Christ.............It is legalism.

If one is walking in the Spirit and doing it through the Spirit..........it is holiness.
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Gr8grace said:
If one is doing any of it to keep salvation, maintain salvation or think that it has any bearing what so ever on their position in Christ.............It is legalism.

If one is walking in the Spirit and doing it through the Spirit..........it is holiness.
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Well said...this is the whole issue behind law and grace and the truth of the gospel of the grace of Christ is in this post.

That should be bookmarked for all time.
 
JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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We are taught to do our best to return a brothr to the way if he is found to be sinning. Now sin is breaking anyo of God's laws. I realize only Jesus Christ did this perfectly, and tht for all of us, but, if we are taught to rescue our brother from sinnign, it sounds to me as though we should obey God. As Gr8grace has taugth from the word, if we obey because we are saved, it isholiness.... To ask others not to redirect in love a brother who is sinnen not to do this because it is legalistic is actually being legalistic, an interpreter of the law....... We are to show mercy, justice and faith in our obedience, never juidging another to condemanation for it is written God will justify the uingodly. Sounds like a good reason never to judge, aside for ourselves what is right, correct.

Thehre is no complex question or response. God is our Father and He loves His childre. If thechildren love Him they will not call His will unwise or unnecessary, they will adhere to it as best given them to, while living in the blessed assurance of the grace of Jesus Christ.
 
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kaylagrl

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Officermayo said:
A favorite song of mine performed by the ORU music ministry was "Walking In The Spirit":

I am walking in the spirt - I am living by His word
I am not defeated anymore - and I'm growing stronger in the Lord
No weapon can come against me 'cause I have the power of His word
Walking in the spirit of the Lord
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I always enjoy songs that say something. I guess thats why I love the hymns. Thanks for sharing.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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disciplemike said:
If you call obeying the instructions of Almighty God "legalism", then count me in!
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welp. No one has ever called that legalism.

The only ones who seem to claim this is said, are legalists themselves. I guess in an attempt to hide their legalism or excuse it?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
According to Wesley.

I disagree with him.

I think this is where legalism starts.
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I agree, They feel they have to "fight" what they consider free grace, or licentiousness. And the way to do it is to do what the jews did when they added all of their laws, And swing to the legalistic side, so you make sure you are not licentious (to use the biblical term)

The problem is they both come from the same root cause (pride) and they both are missing out on the true grace of Christ, which is powerful for salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kaylagrl said:
The balance is you cant live like hell and make it to heaven. And the length of your hair isnt going to get you into heaven. Some people take grace so far they feel they can live no different than the world and grace covers them.Some people live by man made rules and think that will get them to heaven. So obviously there is a middle ground that we need to find.
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I would not call that a middle ground, I would call lets get all people to repent, and let God teach the his ways. The problem is one group wants to enforce and focus on rules. the other group wants to rebel against the "religion" of the one group, and live free, and both are missing out on what is important..

The peace of God, The Love of God, The Mercy of God, and the leading hand of God (which will never lead you astray)

Both groups need to get their focus off self (How well I perform, or how dare they tell me what I can and can't do, I am my own person) and get their focus on God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PennEd said:
Just by using the word "cheap" that implies there is a cost the recipient must bear. That's why I really don't like the in vogue use the term "cheap Grace". It's an oxymoron. In terms of what WE do to obtain Grace, neither cheap not expensive even makes sense to describe Grace.
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That's why we should call it what God calls it Licentious. Then we can find its true meaning.. Instead oa a vague religious term, that contradicts itself.

Grace is hyper
Grace is cheap (to the recipient, although it requires our humility to receive it, which many will never relent their pride)
Grace is expensive only to the one who purchased in, In this case, Christ, Which his human birth al the eay to his physical torturous death on the cross.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Gr8grace said:
I am not missing the point. I get it all to well.

Salvation and discipleship are 2 different entities.

At salvation we count the cost of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. What He paid for us.

In our discipleship we count the cost to ourselves. We will have to sacrifice things.

And discipleship takes time,training and most of all the Holy Spirit. So salvation has to be complete and done and finished before we ever become a disciple of Christ. If salvation is not complete in our Spirit and solid in our thoughts and beliefs, we will never be true disciples for Christ. It is this solid,secure and eternal salvation we are suppose to bring to the lost.
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We could also say justification vs sanctification.

Justification is what we were declared by the father (righteous) based on the price of the cross

Sanctification is an everyday willing trust in God to grow us, Keep us on the straight and narrow. and teach us how to serve others selfishly (like Christ did while he walked the earth)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kaylagrl said:
Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.2 Corinthians 7:1

Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.Hebrews 12:14

But just as he who called you is holy,so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”1 Peter 1:15-16

He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.2 Timothy 1:9


But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.Ephesians 5:3

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.Romans 12:1


​Legalism or Holiness?





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If your saying this is how a person grows in Christ, and matures (vs staying a babe in Christ and never growing) it is holiness

If your saying a persons salvation is based on how well he/she obeys this, Legalism

We can not get your intent by what you posted. You have to give more information. Just posted a few verses does not help a reader understand what your trying to say, When it can be taken a few ways.
 
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