*** A VERY SHORT POST TRIB RAPTURE THREAD***

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You should be sorry, because the teachings of Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, in my post #1127 refute you!


Quasar92
I already addressed post 1127. You have misinterpreted every passage which I pointed out to you. You are trying to twist the Word to fit your false pre-trib narrative when none is taught.

You are attempting to place a 2,000 year gap in Daniel's 70th week when none is taught.

You are attempting to make Daniel's 70th week applicable to the whole world, when the angel told Daniel they only applied to his people and his holy city. You do this because you must fabricate a world-wide catastrophe necessitating the need for the Church to escape it. None of the Gospels teach a world-wide catastrophic event until the Day of the Lord.

Adam was told the Earth would be destroyed once by flood and once by fire. The fire takes place on the final day of this current earth as Peter teaches in 2 Pet 3. No other world-wide disaster is taught. Jesus teaches of wars and rumors of wars, of pestilences, earthquakes, famines etc. But we've had those throughout time. Even if they increase as labor pains, they will NOT be a world wide mass death event.

The Great Tribulation applies only to Israel as Jesus teaches and as Daniel confirms. Jeremiah calls it Jacob's trouble, he doesn't call it the world's trouble.

Everything you write is a twisting of the Word, taking none of it literally. You add things between the lines that are not taught. You reverse the order of major events from their clear order. Then you take figurative language of Revelation and make that literal and use that to invent world wide calamity that we need to escape from.

Jesus tells us plainly that no such world wide calamity exists until He returns. People are getting married and having a good ole time. The pre-trib rapture itself would be a world-wide calamity if it were true with a billion people suddenly taken from behind the wheels of cars, trains, boats, planes, etc. But none of this is found in the Bible, just on movie screens.

The Pre-Trib rapture nonsense reminds me of a game of Twister.
 
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I can see no Pre-Tribber wants to touch this question with a 10 foot pole.

“Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city..

Are 70 weeks determined for Daniel's people and Jerusalem or are they determined for the whole planet????? Anyone????


The following is what occurs BEFORE the covenant is confirmed in Dan.9:25, as recorded below:

>>>Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].<<<

2 Thess.2:3 originally read as folloiws:

In vs 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below:

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In vs 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

In vs 8
: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

As recorded in Jnn14:2-3, 28; 1 Thess.4:17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8, the Church is recorded as being CAUGHT UP/RAPTURED by Jesus, to heaven, in Rev.4:1-2, where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the pre-trib rapture of the Church for His marriage to Church, IN HEAVEN, in Rev.19:7-8. Jesus return in His second coming to earth, WITH His Church from heaven in Rev.19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5.

You just shot yourself in the foot again!


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Why 1 Thess.4:16 is not a resurrection

The statement by Paul in 1 Thess.4:16, "...and the dead in Christ will rise first," does not mean a resurrection is about to occur. Because they were all raised once before, as those who die in Christ, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8, and as FIRSTFRUITS, each in his own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. Who will return with Jesus when He comes with them from heaven, according to vs 14. If Paul meant it was to be a resurrection, he would have documented it as one, which he did not do. If he had, there would be three resurrections rather than the two that are recorded in Rev.20:4-6. Which would then have to be changed from the first and second, to the second and third resurrections. 1 Thess.4:13-18 has nothing whatever to do with the second coming of Christ to the earth, as documented in Mt.24:30; Zech.14:4-5; Jude 14 and Rev.19:14, when the Pre-trib raptured Church RETURNS WITH CHRIST!

But rather than meaning it to be a resurrection, it was the third of Paul's assurances to the Thessalonians, that all the members of their church, who had already died in Christ, would not miss the pre-trib rapture of the Church he was teaching them about.

The first of Paul's three assurances begins in vs 13: "Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep [die], or to grieve like the rest of men [non-believers], who have no hope." [Parenthetics mine].

Then he followed up his first assurance to them that all those who had previously died in Christ would be together with them at the rapture of the Church in the very next verse [14]: "We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him." Revealing to them, that Christ had previously raised them all once before, as documented in 2 Cor.5:6-8, and had been in heaven with Him ever since. Since all the dead in Christ have been raised once before, there is no reason for them having to be raised a second time. Confirming their status as FIRSTFRUITS, raised each in his own order, according to 1 Cor.15:23.

There will not be any resurrected then, because all their dead in Christ had already been raised once before, in their spiritual bodies [As recorded in 1 Cor.15:44], following the death of their bodies, when they immediately went to be with Christ in heaven. Confirming Ecc.12:7 as well as 2 Cor.5:6-8. Confirmed in 1 Thes.4:14, saying they are returning with Christ, when He returns, from heaven with them. Therefore, when Jesus appears in the clouds of the sky for all those who belong to Him left here on earth alive, they will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air [together with those who previously died in Him, who are already there].

The second of Paul's three assurances to the Thessalonians, was that their dead in Christ will not miss the rapture of the Church is in vs 15, which states: "According to the Lord's own word [Recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are left [Believers] till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep [Died]." Of course not! Because they will have already been raised once before, and gone to be with the Lord in heaven in their spiritual bodies, and then return with Him when He comes from heaven! They certainly do not need a resurrection, because they are going to the spiritual world in heaven. In contrast to the glorified physical bodies that will be necessary at the time of the resurrection documented in Rev.20:4 and 6. Because they are to be priests of God and rule with Jesus for 1,000 years right here on the earth, in a human environment! [Parenthetics mine].

The third and final assurance Paul wrote in vs 16, the subject of this thread, has already been addressed above.


There is also the false view by those, who attempt to make 1 Thes.4:16-17 a reference to the first resurrection in Rev.20:4 and 6, at the second coming of Christ, which does not take place until seven years later. Which is not possible, because after we [All believers] have been CAUGHT UP to meet the Lord in the clouds of the sky, we will go to be with our Father in heaven, as Jesus promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28. Seven years after that, we will all return with Christ, from heaven, at His second coming to the earth, as recorded in Rev.19:14, Zech.14:4-5 and in Jude 14.

Nowhere in the Bible is there a single passage of anyone called up to meet the Lord in the clouds of the sky, when He returns in His second coming to the earth! Because the first of many things He will do, is in fighting the Antichrist, the false prophet and their ten nations allied to them, in the battle of Armageddon and defeating them, the forces of evil, according to Rev.19:11-20. Then in setting up His Millennial Kingdom here on the earth, according to Rev.20:4 and 6. He does not return to heaven from that time on until the present heaven and earth is destroyed and a new heaven and earth is created by God in Rev.21:1.
The precise timing of the pre-trib rapture of the Church is recorded in 2 Thes.2:1-8, in which the theme of it begins in the first verse: Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our being gathered to Him..., which is a clear reference to 1 Thes.4:17, where Paul stated that we will all be caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds of the sky.

In 2 Thess.2:3 he made this statement according to the original translation: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, from vs 2, the seven year tribulation] will not come until the apostasiaGreek term meaning departure [When we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds of the sky] occurs [first] and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction." The same vile person in vs 4 who abominates the temple of God and sets himself up as God.

Translation History of apostasia and Discessio:

The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384 A.D.); Tyndale Bible (1526 A.D.); Coverdale Bible (1535 A.D.); Cranmer Bible (1539 A.D.); Breeches Bible (1576 A.D.); Beza Bible (1583 A.D.); Geneva Bible (1608 A.D.) .[5] This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' " Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of " departure" in 1611 A.D.?

From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, who is all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27 and the abomination of desolation. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, which triggers the seven year tribulation, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.

There is no resemblance of Mt.24:30-31, or in any of the counterparts in Mk.13 and Lk.21 of the second coming of Christ, to the earth, to that of the pre-trib rapture of the Church, when Jesus gathers us all into the clouds of the sky and takes us from there to our Father in heaven, according to as Jesus, in Jn.14:2-4 and 28. And Paul in 1 Thes.4:14-18; 2 Thes.2:1-8. Confirming Dan.9:27. [The latter confirms who the antichrist is, his triggering the 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation and the timing of the pre-trib rapture of the Church as confirmed by Paul in 2 Thes.2:1-8].

In Mt.24:30-31, Jesus returns in His second coming to the earth for a number of reasons [to fight the battle of armageddon and defeat the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten nation confederation allied to them, in Rev.19:17-20. He does not gather anyone to Himself in the clouds of the sky, nor does He return to heaven with them!

But rather, to save the remnant of Israel, in Zech.14, to throw Satan into the Abyss for 1,000 years, in Rev.20:1-3, to administer to the first resurrection, in Rev.20:4 and 6], and to establish His 1,000 year reign on the earth.

There are no saints meeting Him in the clouds of the sky, nor does He return to heaven with the saints to our Father in heaven as He promises us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28. In addition to the fact the raptured saints are seen returning with Jesus and His angels [From Mt.24:30] in His second coming to the earth in Zech.14:4-5; Jude 14 and Rev.19:14, in His armies from heaven, ridiing white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. ["Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints," Rev.19:8 NIV].

The Scriptures clearly teach there is going to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church!

All parenthetics mine.


Quasar92

Ok,you are basing that presumption on "two resurrections",thinking you are reconciling a need to have only Two.

The only thing is,you now have millions of resurrections,and I know those caskets of deceased believers STILL HAVE CADAVERS in them.

The dead RISE,THEY WILL RISE,they don't descend,they RISE,and we meet them in the air.

There is no 2resurrection conflict.

Otherwise the resurrection of the 2 witnesses would be bogus,and prohibitive.

Under your template,we have millions of resurrections.

Thomas,who disappeared,was a mid trib,and his stumbling block was in fact,the two witness resurrection,and he attempted to MAKE the resurrection coincide with that event.

Erroneously thinking he had to alleviate the problem of a pretrib resurrection.


I am surprised you are doing a similar thing.
 
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There is no Two resurrection conflict with the pretrib doctrine/pretrib resurrection.

Here is the problem

We do not apply heavens dynamic of a 4part harvest.

Jesus and those IN PARADISE raised from the dead FIRSTFRUITS.

the dead raised and rapture.......(MAIN HARVEST)

2 harvests left... Corners,and gleaners'.


Somewhere around rev 14 or 15 it says blessed are those that die in the lord from henceforth.

They in fact die and resurrect.

That is the parable of the wedding feast.

".... The table is not full,now go and get "whoever" that my table be full..."

4 part harvest.

Without the whole picture we will guess at this stuff
 
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Ok,you are basing that presumption on "two resurrections",thinking you are reconciling a need to have only Two.

The only thing is,you now have millions of resurrections,and I know those caskets of deceased believers STILL HAVE CADAVERS in them.

The dead RISE,THEY WILL RISE,they don't descend,they RISE,and we meet them in the air.

There is no 2resurrection conflict.

Otherwise the resurrection of the 2 witnesses would be bogus,and prohibitive.

Under your template,we have millions of resurrections.

Thomas,who disappeared,was a mid trib,and his stumbling block was in fact,the two witness resurrection,and he attempted to MAKE the resurrection coincide with that event.

Erroneously thinking he had to alleviate the problem of a pretrib resurrection.


I am surprised you are doing a similar thing.


You are assuming things and osting nothing but guesswork! Jesus told John, who wrote, the FIRST, the FIRST resurrection is of the tribulation martyrs/saints in Rev.20:4/5. The second resurrection will be at the end of Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth, at the GWTJ, recorded in Rev.20:11-15.

The spirit/souls of all believers who die in Christ, beginning with the advent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-3, to this very day, are RAISED immediately by Jesus to heaven, each in his own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8. When Jesus returns for the rest of His Church, left on earth alive at His coming, in 1 Thess.4:16, all those who previously died in Him will return WITH Him, recorded in verse14. IMO, these spirit/souls already have their glorified spiritual bodies, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:44, 51-52. In the very same way all those believers will have, who are left on earth alive at Jesus coming, in 1 Thess.4:15, who will be changed in a flash of an eye, and translated to heaven with Jesus, according to Jn.14:2-3, 28. What does God want with the sinful flesh and bones of dead physical bodies? As recorded in Ecc.12:7.


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READ THE BOOK OF RUTH.

YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND REV WITH OUT THE BOOK OF RUTH.

Rev 5 is in fact the"title deed" of this earth handed TO A MAN (JESUS)

REMEMBER, no MAN was found in heaven or earth to open the scroll.

No man.

Why?

The kinsman redeemer. THE KINSMAN REDEEMER OF THE BOOK OF RUTH.

Folks,you gotta get the real deal when you listen to teachers.

Heaven is screaming truth at us. We need to hear these things.
 
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You are assuming things and osting nothing but guesswork! Jesus told John, who wrote, the FIRST, the FIRST resurrection is of the tribulation martyrs/saints in Rev.20:4/5. The second resurrection will be at the end of Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth, at the GWTJ, recorded in Rev.20:11-15.

The spirit/souls of all believers who die in Christ, beginning with the advent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-3, to this very day, are RAISED immediately by Jesus to heaven, each in his own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8. When Jesus returns for the rest of His Church, left on earth alive at His coming, in 1 Thess.4:16, all those who previously died in Him will return WITH Him, recorded in verse14. IMO, these spirit/souls already have their glorified spiritual bodies, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:44, 51-52. In the very same way all those believers will have, who are left on earth alive at Jesus coming, in 1 Thess.4:15, who will be changed in a flash of an eye, and translated to heaven with Jesus, according to Jn.14:2-3, 28. What does God want with the sinful flesh and bones of dead physical bodies? As recorded in Ecc.12:7.


Quasar92
Then why at the second resurrection does the sea give up her dead?

Why does God need their corrupted flesh?
 
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READ THE BOOK OF RUTH.

YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND REV WITH OUT THE BOOK OF RUTH.

Rev 5 is in fact the"title deed" of this earth handed TO A MAN (JESUS)

REMEMBER, no MAN was found in heaven or earth to open the scroll.

No man.

Why?

The kinsman redeemer. THE KINSMAN REDEEMER OF THE BOOK OF RUTH.

Folks,you gotta get the real deal when you listen to teachers.

Heaven is screaming truth at us. We need to hear these things.


That is a dogmatic crock of meaningless opinion, without a shred of Scripturl support! The book of Reveltion does not require the book of Ruth to understand any part of it. Prove it with Scriptural verification.


Quasar92
 
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You are assuming things and osting nothing but guesswork! Jesus told John, who wrote, the FIRST, the FIRST resurrection is of the tribulation martyrs/saints in Rev.20:4/5. The second resurrection will be at the end of Jesus 1,000 year reign on earth, at the GWTJ, recorded in Rev.20:11-15.

The spirit/souls of all believers who die in Christ, beginning with the advent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, in Acts 2:1-3, to this very day, are RAISED immediately by Jesus to heaven, each in his own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8. When Jesus returns for the rest of His Church, left on earth alive at His coming, in 1 Thess.4:16, all those who previously died in Him will return WITH Him, recorded in verse14. IMO, these spirit/souls already have their glorified spiritual bodies, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:44, 51-52. In the very same way all those believers will have, who are left on earth alive at Jesus coming, in 1 Thess.4:15, who will be changed in a flash of an eye, and translated to heaven with Jesus, according to Jn.14:2-3, 28. What does God want with the sinful flesh and bones of dead physical bodies? As recorded in Ecc.12:7.


Quasar92
Then the 2 witnesses are raised for nothing since God needs not their corrupted bodies,and it is redundant confusion since they already have glorified bodies.
 
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That is a dogmatic crock of meaningless opinion, without a shred of Scripturl support! The book of Reveltion does not require the book of Ruth to understand any part of it. Prove it with Scriptural verification.


Quasar92
You kidding?

The kinsman redeemer has no place in Gods plan?

Your kidding right?

Not to mention a gentile picked for a king ( hellllloooo,GENTILE bride)

To top it off,through her came David whose throne and kingdom Jesus will reign on earth.

You need to stop getting upset with me and listen.
 
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Then the 2 witnesses are raised for nothing since God needs not their corrupted bodies,and it is redundant confusion since they already have glorified bodies.

Those who were or will be raised/resurrected will not be in their original flesh/bones/body; but rather, they will be changed, in the twinkling of an eye, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:51-53. The two witnesses will be treated in the same way,


Quasar92
 
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You kidding?

The kinsman redeemer has no place in Gods plan?

Your kidding right?

Not to mention a gentile picked for a king ( hellllloooo,GENTILE bride)

To top it off,through her came David whose throne and kingdom Jesus will reign on earth.

You need to stop getting upset with me and listen.

You failed the challenge! No part of your above proves a single thing as t needing the book of Ruth to understand the book of Revelation. FYI, everyone does not have the gift of prophecy, as so many think they do.


Quasar92
 
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Then why at the second resurrection does the sea give up her dead?

Why does God need their corrupted flesh?


What the sea, as well as Hades/Hell/Sheol will give up, are the SOUL/SPIRITS of those who are there. Not their decayed physical bodies that return to dust, from where they came, according to Ecc.12:7.


Quasar92
 
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Ruth is the gentile bride.

The kinsman redeemer is JESUS.

The whole point of Everything,LITERALLY EVERYTHING,is redemption.

The book of Ruth is the book of redemption.

It illustrates GRAPHICALLY the gentile inheritance that came SUPERNATURALLY.

A MOABITE WAS THE NATURAL HEBREW ENEMY.

Gentiles grafted in.

Oh but much,much more..A GENTILE BRIDE TROUGH WHOM THE SAVIOR IS BROUGHT FORTH!!!

WOAH
 
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What the sea, as well as Hades/Hell/Sheol will give up, are the SOUL/SPIRITS of those who are there. Not their decayed physical bodies that return to dust, from where they came, according to Ecc.12:7.


Quasar92
Dude

The rich man and Lazarus totally debunks that.
 

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What the sea, as well as Hades/Hell/Sheol will give up, are the SOUL/SPIRITS of those who are there. Not their decayed physical bodies that return to dust, from where they came, according to Ecc.12:7. Quasar92
"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

"and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. "

Resurrection/anastasis, always refers to the body standing up again after being dead. At the great white throne judgment, the spirits/souls of the unrighteous dead will come out of sheol/hades and will be united with their resurrected bodies, which will then be thrown into the lake of fire.

1067 géenna (a transliteration of the Hebrew term, Gêhinnōm, "the valley of Hinnom") – Gehenna, i.e. hell (also referred to as the "lake of fire" in Revelation).

Gehenna ("hell"), the place of post-resurrection torment (judgment), refers strictly to the everlasting abode of the unredeemed where they experience divine judgment in their individual resurrection-bodies. Each of the unredeemed receives one at the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11-15), i.e. a body that "matches" their capacity for torment relating to their (unique) judgment.
 
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You failed the challenge! No part of your above proves a single thing as t needing the book of Ruth to understand the book of Revelation. FYI, everyone does not have the gift of prophecy, as so many think they do.


Quasar92
No,I am taking you new places,but you are digging your heels in.

That's all it is.

You never heard it before so you react instead of research.
 
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Man I love this study.

Almost nobody knows Ruth holds the key to revelation

Research it.

Let it come through another teacher.

I know here,in the forum,it is a offence coming through the "wrong vessel"

Don't let that stop you. Missler has a vid on it for free.
 

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Those who were or will be raised/resurrected will not be in their original flesh/bones/body; but rather, they will be changed, in the twinkling of an eye, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:51-53. The two witnesses will be treated in the same way, Quasar92
Actually Quasar, people will be resurrected in their same bodies, but they will be upgraded to immortal and glorified. Jesus is our example. After three days he returned to his body which was immoral and glorified, but it was the same body that he was crucified in. When he appeared before his disciples after resurrecting, scripture states that they were afraid because they thought they had seen a spirit. Jesus then comforts them saying,

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

When we are resurrected and changed, God will use our present bodies, which will be upgraded to heavenly status. The body that is sown is perishable (decays), it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor (sinful nature), it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
 
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None of us understands resurrection from the dead.

What is raised?

Well can rottenness be made unrotten?

Jesus can and will do just that.

In fact,he already showed us that he can.