"replacement theology" - what is it?
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Yeah whatever dude, You have serious issues.
Jesus cursed the TREE forever, And I guarantee, That tree NEVER bore fruit again. EVER, because forever means forever (well at least to those of us who believes Gods promises will never fail, like you do)
I am amazed you want to argue forever, when it is you who teaches Gods promise to PHYSICAL Israel (which never was given to even spiritual Israel) which he said would last FOREVER no longer apply.
the tree is the focus of our argument, Not the word forever. and I am sure everyone knows this. so please stop. your making yourself look bad!
Now, Unless your going to say no Jew will ever bear fruit again (remember, The people Jesus spoke to were Jews) And Jewish churches all over the roman empire bore much fruit after this very event.
So why do you not take Jesus at his word (like I have) and stop trying to make him say something he never said.
Jesus cursed the TREE forever, And I guarantee, That tree NEVER bore fruit again. EVER, because forever means forever (well at least to those of us who believes Gods promises will never fail, like you do)
I am amazed you want to argue forever, when it is you who teaches Gods promise to PHYSICAL Israel (which never was given to even spiritual Israel) which he said would last FOREVER no longer apply.
the tree is the focus of our argument, Not the word forever. and I am sure everyone knows this. so please stop. your making yourself look bad!
Now, Unless your going to say no Jew will ever bear fruit again (remember, The people Jesus spoke to were Jews) And Jewish churches all over the roman empire bore much fruit after this very event.
So why do you not take Jesus at his word (like I have) and stop trying to make him say something he never said.
A nation bearing fruit or not bearing fruit has nothing to do with Jews being saved. Talking to you guys is like talking to a brick wall lol. You guys don't care about what the bible says you're only worried about holding up your doctrine.
Israel produced fruit early on, they preached the word of God and people got saved. But toward the end of Israel they had stopped producing fruit... most Jews were God hating talmud followers, who made up rules to keep people in bondage. They stopped preaching THE GOSPEL and people stopped getting saved.
Jesus came along and preached repentance to them because of their LACK OF FRUIT, they rejected him and He cursed the nation so that it will NEVER produce saved people ever again throughtout the rest of time... NEVER. If any Jew gets saved today it's because a true CHRISTIAN led him there.
Israel produced fruit early on, they preached the word of God and people got saved. But toward the end of Israel they had stopped producing fruit... most Jews were God hating talmud followers, who made up rules to keep people in bondage. They stopped preaching THE GOSPEL and people stopped getting saved.
Jesus came along and preached repentance to them because of their LACK OF FRUIT, they rejected him and He cursed the nation so that it will NEVER produce saved people ever again throughtout the rest of time... NEVER. If any Jew gets saved today it's because a true CHRISTIAN led him there.
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Romans 11 is talking about a future event.
[FONT="]25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g][/FONT]
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[FONT="]28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]29 [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g][/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]29 [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.[/FONT]
Israel-centered theology:
Take the New Testament as some kind of temporary insertion into a big plan with Israel.
Everything is about Jews and Israel, Church is only insertion between two Israel kingdoms.
Still interpret OT prophecies as literal. Even though Christ and apostles always said it was about Christ or Church. Ignore it and read news about Israel or Jerusalem today. Search for some kind of third temple.
Take the New Testament as some kind of temporary insertion into a big plan with Israel.
Everything is about Jews and Israel, Church is only insertion between two Israel kingdoms.
Still interpret OT prophecies as literal. Even though Christ and apostles always said it was about Christ or Church. Ignore it and read news about Israel or Jerusalem today. Search for some kind of third temple.
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Yet, we preach what the word of God said, Not what we THINK it says.. Again, Funny how you judge us, when YOUR THE ONE adding to the word.
And yet this was all prophesied, and it was told how the gentiles would take over But for gentiles to not be so proud or arrogant, Because just as they were cut off. so to we can be cut off, and in fact it is easier for them because they are natural branches. Because one day (we are even given a tiime, when the times of th egentile has come to completion) All Isreal will be saved, and they will be restored.
But of course, You do not want to hear that, Because it goes against your belief system.
IT DOES NOT SAY THIS, THIS IS YOUR TWIST ON THE SCRIPTURE. Jesus TOLD THEM WHAT IT MEANS, and THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT SUCH A THING, especially BEFORE HE DIED..
do we listen to YOU? Or listen To God. Jesus told them what it meant, Sto trying to add to it what Jesus never said!
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they do not understand, If God is done wiht the nation, If there IS NO JEW OR GENTILE (as they keep saying) if the nation of Isreal is done completely. THERe IS NO NEED OF A REMNANT.
You only keep a remnant around, when you have plans for the nation again in the future.
Are their remnants of edomites, of canaanites, or gizzites or what ever other "ites" have been wiped out.
Only Isreal is kept in tact with a REMNANT.
But this sadly is not enough for people to understand.
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Yep. Which means for some reason, God WILL NOT LET THAT NATION DIE.
now. why is that if God is done with Israel.
And your right, Israel as a nation has nothing to do with jews being saved, Isreal is a nation because God made it a nation, and God kept it a nation, even though it was without a land for 2000 years (there is still a remnant)
must be a reason they have not died off and been intermarried so they are not a blood people anymore.