Name a place that God did NOT create. This is amazing...

[stonesoffire]

We know that God created a place other than where He was. I believe this was the heavens and the earth.
But He didn't leave it that way.
He came and His Spirit was over the face of the deep, darkness, and He said let there be light in this dark place.

A word study, including all of the roots that the words came from, of the beginning of Genesis, makes you see that this darkness was something awful. He didn't create it except in the sense of what being thrown from His Presence creates.

This is why we all answered that God did not create darkness, even though a verse says He does, but that is in a negative manner, not a positive manner of: let there be..

I was sitting here going through scriptures, then I remembered this one...

Isa 45:7 I form H3335  the light, H216  and create H1254  darkness: H2822  I make H6213  peace, H7965  and create H1254  evil: H7451  I H589  the LORD H3068  do H6213  all H3605  these H428  things.

Ive always believed this was a positive-negative type kind of thing. He forms light-darkness is created. Kind of before there was light, there was nothing but darkness. After light, darkness has a form appearing when light is out. Does this make sense? It kind of does to me. Same with peace -evil. So I'm agreeing with you stunned. I'm a gap theorist and to me there was nothing but an earth in complete chaos. Not going to get into the nitty gritty of all the dynamics of different ideas of what occurred.

So looking at this plus there is no darkness in Him at all, He is pure Light, then possibly His very presence has also a negative. Darkness, which in creating the heavens and earth....the opposite of heaven- earth. Life-death. Eternal-lake of fire?

So my conclusion? Preach Jesus! His death and resurrection for all mankind and let Him fill in the rest. Lol

 

[stonesoffire]

Well Satan has never been in control, he is called the tempter for a reason and that has been played out since Adam and Eve. he is able to tempt man that's about it, it's the will of the person who allows it in their life...

I don't know about being in control, but I do believe we give him permission to touch us, though we may not know or understand what we are doing. Not talking so much about believers but the world in general.

This might be why we need our minds renewed. Something the world doesn't recognize except through power of positive thinking.

 

[John146]

You got me on this one John146 - What? I must have missed something . . . ? Can you explain?

Genesis 2:8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God planted, not created. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I was sitting here going through scriptures, then I remembered this one...

Isa 45:7 I form H3335  the light, H216  and create H1254  darkness: H2822  I make H6213  peace, H7965  and create H1254  evil: H7451  I H589  the LORD H3068  do H6213  all H3605  these H428  things.

Ive always believed this was a positive-negative type kind of thing. He forms light-darkness is created. Kind of before there was light, there was nothing but darkness. After light, darkness has a form appearing when light is out. Does this make sense? It kind of does to me. Same with peace -evil. So I'm agreeing with you stunned. I'm a gap theorist and to me there was nothing but an earth in complete chaos. Not going to get into the nitty gritty of all the dynamics of different ideas of what occurred.

So looking at this plus there is no darkness in Him at all, He is pure Light, then possibly His very presence has also a negative. Darkness, which in creating the heavens and earth....the opposite of heaven- earth. Life-death. Eternal-lake of fire?

So my conclusion? Preach Jesus! His death and resurrection for all mankind and let Him fill in the rest. Lol
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But the darkness was already here when He said let there be light.
So in our story it was already here. So here was a place where He was not at. But then He cam e and called forth light.

 

[stonesoffire]

I was sitting here going through scriptures, then I remembered this one...

Isa 45:7 I form H3335  the light, H216  and create H1254  darkness: H2822  I make H6213  peace, H7965  and create H1254  evil: H7451  I H589  the LORD H3068  do H6213  all H3605  these H428  things.

Ive always believed this was a positive-negative type kind of thing. He forms light-darkness is created. Kind of before there was light, there was nothing but darkness. After light, darkness has a form appearing when light is out. Does this make sense? It kind of does to me. Same with peace -evil. So I'm agreeing with you stunned. I'm a gap theorist and to me there was nothing but an earth in complete chaos. Not going to get into the nitty gritty of all the dynamics of different ideas of what occurred.

So looking at this plus there is no darkness in Him at all, He is pure Light, then possibly His very presence has also a negative. Darkness, which in creating the heavens and earth....the opposite of heaven- earth. Life-death. Eternal-lake of fire?

So my conclusion? Preach Jesus! His death and resurrection for all mankind and let Him fill in the rest. Lol
_--------_-------

But the darkness was already here when He said let there be light.
So in our story it was already here. So here was a place where He was not at. But then He cam e and called forth light.

I thought I said that but reading it over...guess not. Unless you mean there was no earth.

I was thrilled to read your post and see it was similar to what I was getting. But, its fluff in a way. Nice to think about and may answer some deep thinkers. Seems to me not many like revelation.

If you post your study let me know. My time is more limited here than most of you guys.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I thought I said that but reading it over...guess not. Unless you mean there was no earth.

I was thrilled to read your post and see it was similar to what I was getting. But, its fluff in a way. Nice to think about and may answer some deep thinkers. Seems to me not many like revelation.

If you post your study let me know. My time is more limited here than most of you guys.

I will look for it! But I look at the roots also, which some may have a "problem" with. I am sure they may think it not scholarly or wise.

 

[Grace777x70]

I will look for it! But I look at the roots also, which some may have a "problem" with. I am sure they may think it not scholarly or wise.

If you look at the "roots" you can see the real hair color.....

 

[Jonteel]

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

 

[Magenta]

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

Is this your goodbye?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. (Deut 29:29)

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

He created everything perfect. Is hell perfect?

He created everything to function according to purpose.

 

[breno785au]

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

The public had access to the internet 23 years ago?

...only just.

 

[Sac49]

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

I find it interesting that everyone else is wrong and you are correct. Yet, when i asked for a passage in Scripture that said "God did not create hell" you refused to show me a single one. So blame your leaving, if you actually do leave, on me since i was obviously wrong when you were not prepared and could not dispute my argument.

And no one but you knew what sin is? Now i find that hard to believe since God didnt create hell in the first place according to you.

Your 16 questions were nothing but a load of hogwash trying to lure others into these things you believe which you cannot even back up with Scripture.

I pray that the Holy Spirit would lead you to some serious deep soul searching so that He may be able to reveal the truth to you. I truly pray to the Holy Spirit that ypur eyes would be opened to the truth.

 

[p_rehbein]

Anyone know where these "vicious" attacks are posted? I know my questions/concerns about him have been anything BUT vicious.........

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, your "just throwing it out there" is that God did not create the Garden of Eden? Hmm.........wonder WHO created the various seeds/plants/trees that God PLANTED there? Oh, wait, methinks Genesis reveals that.

As well, having been an avid gardener for many years, I assure you when I PLANTED my garden, I did, in fact, CREATE it. I designed it. Laid out the rows, what would be planted where, and so on and so forth.

Now, God INCREASED my garden, and CREATED the plants/seeds I planted, but it was a CREATION. Mayhaps a "joint exercise" between God and me.

Genesis 2:8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

God planted, not created. Just throwing it out there.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, I'm guessing you are NOT going to answer the questions I posed to you? Well, this is one way to keep from being truthful I suppose. Not sure I would put God into this mix were I you. See, God has NEVER failed to SPEAK TRUTH. NEVER!

If God was truly in all of this, then you should PROUDLY state what group it is you represent, who the "they" are that TOLD you to post the 16 questions, and WHY they wanted these questions posted.

I was not aware that Christian Chat was online 23 years ago. That's a pretty good run for a Christian Forum!

That one line in your rant makes no sense to me at all............


There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.


............ ??? I have no idea what you are trying to assert here

Anyway, should you actually depart, and remain departed for YET ANOTHER 23 years..........there is a good chance, given your age that this will actually be your "last go around." Might want to consider that. I KNOW I won't be around in 23 years, so I don't have to worry about not getting answers from you.......

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

jonteel, I have some suggestions.
First, it is of course obvious that very few people understood what you were saying. There's not just one reason for that. It's a combination:

They're snotty and distrustful of strangers.

They have flesh problems (Gods' working with all of us on it).

Your attempt to spread the 16 questions out into different threads didn't work as you'd planned because people are no longer going to work to tease out a theme to understand. (I know, brother, makes me sad too!) They live in the age of drive-thrus, thirty minutes or less, and google. Their attention span and their desire to dig are sometimes about that of a gnat (and sometimes I'm that way too).

You have your own fears, and assume they won't listen. Well, there are some of them who won't. I've listened to them for awhile now and I can tell you they won't and they will be nasty and unloving and will sneer at everything. But there are others who will, if you stay and don't give up.

So the problems are widespread but not insurmountable. I suggest you begin one thread and try to relate again what you are saying. I gathered it, but it required the patience of going back and forth between quite a few threads to not miss any of your posts. And what I gathered was this: There are millions (or a large number) of atheists and agnostics who may be so because we have gotten something wrong - a skewed definition/understanding - and so we haven't given them a good answer. You used the example of the man who worked with Billy Graham. And so, if we have created a problem for some, we need to correct it to win those our Lord loves.

I understood what you had to say and I agree that we can answer this question for them that we have not been able to for so long. So my suggestion is to slow down, work from one thread, do not be afraid of their taunts or their hard foreheads and just speak what He's given you. Listen, at least two of us understood. We know how to go forward with this. We're going to study the beginning of Genesis together when I find my notes on it. I tried to share them years ago and did not get a good response, but I will try again and it will help because it will tie in what you are saying.

 

[John146]

So, your "just throwing it out there" is that God did not create the Garden of Eden? Hmm.........wonder WHO created the various seeds/plants/trees that God PLANTED there? Oh, wait, methinks Genesis reveals that.

As well, having been an avid gardener for many years, I assure you when I PLANTED my garden, I did, in fact, CREATE it. I designed it. Laid out the rows, what would be planted where, and so on and so forth.

Now, God INCREASED my garden, and CREATED the plants/seeds I planted, but it was a CREATION. Mayhaps a "joint exercise" between God and me.

Biblically, the word create means to make something from nothing. God made the garden of Eden from something that had already been created. He did not create the garden of Eden. He planted it.

 

[BeyondET]

From the minute that I returned to the forums, I was attacked, viciously, Well, I really didn't want to return, but God made me. About 23 years ago, I walked away from the forums. Let me repeat, I never wanted to return. God pushed. God said, "They don't even know the definition of sin!" I thought that God was wrong. God was right.

People threatened me, I was called a Heretic and ridiculed. People asked who sent me! People said that I was in it for money! There's no one that cares about you that they would pay someone to come and work here.

My friends warned me about Trolls. There were Trolls here 23 years ago, and when I departed I said that I wouldn't return. I would rather not deal with people like this.

God and I had an agreement. If I saw this was insanely distasteful, I would just leave for 23 years and try again later.

You mean you thought about that for 23 years, gees no wonder responses from folks get under your skin...

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The public had access to the internet 23 years ago?

...only just.

And if you "connected" to the internet you heard bing bing bing gggggggggggk ding dong ding dong