Romans 6 reveals majestic glory that I once heavily overlooked. We are blessed.

[Grace777x70]

1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2*That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."

Romans 8:14 clearly states that only those that walk in and are LED by the Spirit of God are the sons of God. How on earth do you tell yourself that you are being led by the Holy Spirit of God while committing a sin??

If you'd read my post on the previous page, you'd know I'm not preaching this whack "sinless perfection" that you accuse me of. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ I am proclaiming the hope of Glory which is Christ in me and you try to quench the fire and passion that burns inside me and accuse me of heresy, the fiery passion within me is the Lord Jesus Christ the hope of glory, pure and unquenchable.

First of all. I have not accused you of heresy. That is a figment of your own mind - and this is called slander and your sinless perfection in the flesh streak has been broken again. Slander is a work of the flesh just like living a homosexual lifestyle is.

All the works of the flesh will cause destruction of some sort to all of us and we will fail to experience the life of God that is already within us in the new creation - including slander.


I say "sinless perfection in the flesh" is where one never give in to the works of the flesh which is obviously not true at all. Knowing the difference between "sin" and "sinning" in Romans 6 & 7 will answer those questions for you. I have posted this link a few times.

So, you tell me how you can be a son of God and still slander others? All believers that are a child of God are being led by the Holy Spirit - because they are sons. Whether they can hear the Spirit is a different story but they are still sons because they have been born again of Him..

I am not trying to stop your passion for the Lord - that's ridiculous. I believe you have a part of the meaning in Romans 6 & 7 but your "application" of it is not correct. To believe that you will never again give in to any work of the flesh is foolishness as has been show that indeed is not the case.

We are to walk by the Spirit so that we don't do the lusts of the flesh. Religion gets it backwards - don't do the lusts of the flesh and then you will be walking by the Spirit.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Whoever says it's impossible to cease from sin, you claim to be as the CURSED CHILDREN that we SAINTS are warned about in 2 Peter ch2!!

"Having eyes full of adultery and THAT CANNOT CEASE FROM SIN: beguiling souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: which have FORSAKEN THE RIGHT WAY, AND HAVE FALLEN ASTRAY " 2 Peter 2:14-15

And those same unbelievers cannot cease from sin. Believers are not those who never cease from sinning. Neither are we those who are without sin.

 

[Ariel82]

Whoever says it's impossible to cease from sin, you claim to be as the CURSED CHILDREN that we SAINTS are warned about in 2 Peter ch2!!

"Having eyes full of adultery and THAT CANNOT CEASE FROM SIN: beguiling souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: which have FORSAKEN THE RIGHT WAY, AND HAVE FALLEN ASTRAY " 2 Peter 2:14-15

How do you define sin?

If you define it as falling short of the glory of God, then all sin and fall short.

If you define it as outward observance of the law like the ten commandments, then it is possible to abstain.

However if you look beyond the outward to the inward, it becomes more difficult and God convicts all His children when we sin and fall short of His glory, when we do not walk with Him as we should, we have an intercessor and mediator in Christ Jesus,

 

[SpiritLed]

First of all. I have not accused you of heresy. That is a figment of your own mind - and this is called slander and your sinless perfection in the flesh streak has been broken again. Slander is a work of the flesh just like living a homosexual lifestyle is.

All the works of the flesh will cause destruction of some sort to all of us and we will fail to experience the life of God that is already within us in the new creation - including slander.


I say "sinless perfection in the flesh" is where one never give in to the works of the flesh which is obviously not true at all. Knowing the difference between "sin" and "sinning" in Romans 6 & 7 will answer those questions for you. I have posted this link a few times.

So, you tell me how you can be a son of God and still slander others? All believers that are a child of God are being led by the Holy Spirit - because they are sons. Whether they can hear the Spirit is a different story but they are still sons because they have been born again of Him..

I am not trying to stop your passion for the Lord - that's ridiculous. I believe you have a part of the meaning in Romans 6 & 7 but your "application" of it is not correct. To believe that you will never again give in to any work of the flesh is foolishness as has been show that indeed is not the case.

We are to walk by the Spirit so that we don't do the lusts of the flesh. Religion gets it backwards - don't do the lusts of the flesh and then you will be walking by the Spirit.

You can word it however you'd like, and this wasn't directed as you being the only recipient now was it? Please I've had 2 threads closed, people have called what I teach garbage on here, and y'all that are against me have over and over and over seemed to have made it a goal in life to find iniquity and deceit within me. How does one treat a heretic??????

I have slandered nobody.

 

[SpiritLed]

And those same unbelievers cannot cease from sin. Believers are not those who never cease from sinning. Neither are we those who are without sin.

Wonderful.
Unbelievers will always sin.
Believers will always sin.
But believers go to heaven because of grace.

Your version of grace is twisted and demonic. Saints are branches that abide in the Vine, sinners do not.

Grace is what transformed me from a sinner to a saint IN THIS WORLD, HERE, by faith in Him, His righteousness, asking for His Spirit, and being posessed by Him. He lives, I dont. The hope of Glory: Christ in me. Collosians 2:27.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Wonderful.
Unbelievers will always sin.
Believers will always sin.
But believers go to heaven because of grace.

Your version of grace is twisted and demonic. Saints are branches that abide in the Vine, sinners do not.

Grace is what transformed me from a sinner to a saint IN THIS WORLD, HERE, by faith in Him, His righteousness, asking for His Spirit, and being posessed by Him. He lives, I dont. The hope of Glory: Christ in me. Collosians 2:27.

Ummmm no. Unbelievers will always sin. Believers will sometimes sin. Christ in me is my hope of glory, my only hope of glory. Because I know how much I need Him right now, because He is the sinless One. And that there will never be a time when I don't need Him.

 

[PennEd]

Wonderful.
Unbelievers will always sin.
Believers will always sin.
But believers go to heaven because of grace.

Your version of grace is twisted and demonic. Saints are branches that abide in the Vine, sinners do not.

Grace is what transformed me from a sinner to a saint IN THIS WORLD, HERE, by faith in Him, His righteousness, asking for His Spirit, and being obsessed by Him. He lives, I dont. The hope of Glory: Christ in me. Collosians 2:27.

Boom! There it is!!

We finally get to the heart of the matter. Cameron believes keeping righteous through NOT sinning will get him to heaven.

Cameron. The blood of Christ, admitting He is Lord, and belief in His resurrection, is what will get you to heaven.

Trust in His finished work! He has said He would never leave you nor forsake you. HE will KEEP you saved. Not following the Law!

 

[Stephen63]

It's unbelievers who are "in the flesh", not believers.

Well, that tells me what I need to know about you, because you're always contrary & wrong most of the time, soooo.......

 

[FreeNChrist]

Well, that tells me what I need to know about you, because you're always contrary & wrong most of the time, soooo.......

That tells us all we need to know about you.

 

[Stephen63]

Wonderful.
Unbelievers will always sin.
Believers will always sin.
But believers go to heaven because of grace.

Your version of grace is twisted and demonic. Saints are branches that abide in the Vine, sinners do not.

Grace is what transformed me from a sinner to a saint IN THIS WORLD, HERE, by faith in Him, His righteousness, asking for His Spirit, and being posessed by Him. He lives, I dont. The hope of Glory: Christ in me. Collosians 2:27.

His version of grace is hyper-grace, so, yes, it's demonic.

 

[SpiritLed]

How do you define sin?

If you define it as falling short of the glory of God, then all sin and fall short.

If you define it as outward observance of the law like the ten commandments, then it is possible to abstain.

However if you look beyond the outward to the inward, it becomes more difficult and God convicts all His children when we sin and fall short of His glory, when we do not walk with Him as we should, we have an intercessor and mediator in Christ Jesus,

I do what my Lord commands me to do:

I love Him, the Lord my God with ALL my heart, with ALL my soul, and with ALL my mind. And I love my neighbor as myself. On those two commandments hang ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

 

[Grace777x70]

You can word it however you'd like, and this wasn't directed as you being the only recipient now was it? Please I've had 2 threads closed, people have called what I teach garbage on here, and y'all that are against me have over and over and over seemed to have made it a goal in life to find iniquity and deceit within me. How does one treat a heretic??????

I have slandered nobody.

No, people are not trying to find deceit or iniquity in you ( we all know you have sin in your flesh just like all Christians do - Rom. 7:17,20,23 )

People are trying to protect young Christians from this sinless perfection in the flesh nonsense where they say that "I will never sin again".

You are perfect in the new creation joined as one spirit with the Lord but all of us are trying to learn how to walk by the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh which is still here with us.

No one is advocating sinning - all Christians are against all types of sinning from slander to homosexual lifestyle living.

Unfortunately your doctrine condemns those that are trying to walk by the Spirit of God within them. This is what people are against - not you.

You are close to the truth of what it means to be "in the Spirit" and not in the flesh but your "application" of "sin" in Romans chapter 6 & 7 is off and is dangerous to others in the body of Christ. This will cause them to be ship-wrecked if they believed the wrong application of Romans 6 & 7.

 

[SpiritLed]

Boom! There it is!!

We finally get to the heart of the matter. Cameron believes keeping righteous through NOT sinning will get him to heaven.

Cameron. The blood of Christ, admitting He is Lord, and belief in His resurrection, is what will get you to heaven.

Trust in His finished work! He has said He would never leave you nor forsake you. HE will KEEP you saved. Not following the Law!

We have NOT gotten to the heart of the matter.

Your definition of being "saved" is twisted and demonic. A person that is saved is someone who has DENIED THEMSELVES, RECIEVES JESUS, AND ENDURES UNTIL THE END.

Your idea of being saved is the reason for hypocrisy in the churches. Your idea of being "saved" is what seriously allows a so-called "believer" to shoot someone, think in their mind that it's okay because the work is finished on the cross and Jesus died to pay for this, and then shoot themselves with a smile on their face expecting to see heaven after the bullet passes through their skull.

You seriously do not w

 

[PennEd]

We have NOT gotten to the heart of the matter.

Your definition of being "saved" is twisted and demonic. A person that is saved is someone who has DENIED THEMSELVES, RECIEVES JESUS, AND ENDURES UNTIL THE END.

Your idea of being saved is the reason for hypocrisy in the churches. Your idea of being "saved" is what seriously allows a so-called "believer" to shoot someone, think in their mind that it's okay because the work is finished on the cross and Jesus died to pay for this, and then shoot themselves with a smile on their face expecting to see heaven after the bullet passes through their skull.

You seriously do not w

You should pray on this verse.
And why not say rather (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, that good may come”? Their damnation is just!

 

[SpiritLed]

No, people are not trying to find deceit or iniquity in you we all know you have sin in your flesh just like all Christians do - Rom. 7:17,20,23 )

People are trying to protect young Christians from this sinless perfection in the flesh nonsense where they say that "I will never sin again".

You are perfect in the new creation joined as one spirit with the Lord but all of us are trying to learn how to walk by the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh which is still here with us.

No one is advocating sinning - all Christians are against all types of sinning from slander to homosexual lifestyle living.

Unfortunately your doctrine condemns those that are trying to walk by the Spirit of God within them. This is what people are against - not you.

You are close to the truth of what it means to be "in the Spirit" and not in the flesh but your "application" of "sin" in Romans chapter 6 & 7 is off and is dangerous to others in the body of Christ. This will cause them to be ship-wrecked if they believed the wrong application of Romans 6 & 7.

My flesh is already DEAD! THAT OLD MAN WAS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM AND THAT BODY OF SIN WAS DESTROYED. Why do you think Jesus Christ said "If those who believe drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them." Huhh???

It is not me who is "close to the truth of what it means to be "in the Spirit", YOU are the one who has believe the doctrine of devils making you believe that the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD doesn't CHANGE A MAN IN A COMPLETE NEWNESS OF LIFE, where nothing from the old man remains, not even in his mind.

 

[FreeNChrist]

“To feel the lusts of the flesh is not without profit to us. It prevents us from being vain and from being puffed up with the wicked opinion of our own work-righteousness. The monks were so inflated with the opinion of their own righteousness, they thought they had so much holiness that they could afford to sell some of it to others, although their own hearts convinced them of unholiness. The Christian feels the unholy condition of his heart, and it makes him feel so low that he cannot trust in his good works. He therefore goes to Christ to find perfect righteousness. This keeps a Christian humble.”


― Martin Luther

 

[Grace777x70]

You should pray on this verse.
And why not say rather (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, that good may come”? Their damnation is just!

I agree...that type of thinking will always come when the true gospel of the grace of God is preached. This is what makes God's grace "hyper" ( - if I can use that term in a good sense and not in a derogatory way )

When we preach the gospel of the grace of Christ and no one says "What?...are you saying we can just go out and sin because of grace?" - if no one says that to us when we are preaching the grace of God. Then we have not preached the gospel like Paul did.

The very nature of the gospel leads the carnal mind to think that it means we can sin all we want because of grace and this is also what the natural mind that some Christians live by think.

Which is what they hear when they hear the true gospel being preached that grace believers are saying it's ok to sin all you want now because of grace.

The reality is what is being said is the complete opposite of what those listening with their natural minds think is being said. We don't need to water down the gospel because it might get mis-understood as it takes away the full strength of the completed and awesome work that our Lord Jesus Christ did for all of us.

The answer to shall we sin so that grace may abound is in Romans chapters 6 and 7. But we need to understand what "sin" is in these chapters first.

 

[SpiritLed]

You should pray on this verse.
And why not say rather (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, that good may come”? Their damnation is just!

You DO say that. When you say that believers will always sin that is exactly what you are saying.

 

[FreeNChrist]

My flesh is already DEAD! THAT OLD MAN WAS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM AND THAT BODY OF SIN WAS DESTROYED. Why do you think Jesus Christ said "If those who believe drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them." Huhh???

It is not me who is "close to the truth of what it means to be "in the Spirit", YOU are the one who has believe the doctrine of devils making you believe that the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD doesn't CHANGE A MAN IN A COMPLETE NEWNESS OF LIFE, where nothing from the old man remains, not even in his mind.

Like I said before, the flesh is not dead. It is not eradicated at conversion nor at any time during the Christians life. To think it has been is to give the devil carte blanche in your life.

 

[PennEd]

You DO say that. When you say that believers will always sin that is exactly what you are saying.

Cameron. Read it again. It says YOUR damnation is just for saying that I am preaching that to sin is ok!