forgiveness according to the truth

[FreeNChrist]

No one can forgive anyone or aything unless there is a will to be forgiven, for it must e received; it is a gift.

The giving of forgiveness is an activity on the part of the forgiver, not the one being forgiven. The giving of it is in no way dependent upon the one being forgiven.

 

[respectfully]

I believe I may have erred slightly in my 1st post on forgiveness..but even if I didn't ..I still take the time to say that you are right freenchrist...but I was on the perspective that we pray to God forgiveness and I was referring to sins...and by that meant that for example I'd say "please lord forgive me for the sins I have done and help me to be obedient and humble in your presence..." I pray to god for forgiveness..." and yes "forgiveness of sins in this case" is also an activity on the part of the forgiver and the forgiver is God.

 

[JaumeJ]

There are some who may require further elaboration on the post pasdted below. Like my Master and as He teaches, I believe I forgive any and all for what has been my experience to be put into the position of forgiving.......but,

just like Salvation depends on repentence, that is being sorry and wanting forgiveness, forgiveness must have a willing receiver.

If this elaboration was needed by you, perhaps some prayer and meditation is necessary.

My personal felling is I want all souls to be saved because our Father's desire is that not one soul be lost...I pray to this end every day, serveral times.......Please, join mein this same petition, I pray all souls be saved according to Your Will, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.

No one can forgive anyone or aything unless there is a will to be forgiven, for it must e received; it is a gift.

 

[PeterJens]

Forgiveness is the hardest thing we can do.

It is the giving up of pain in our hearts and detaching our right for revenge from the
hurtful act.

Jesus warns us we cannot expect to be forgiven if we ourselves cannot forgive.

It goes deeper, that Gods justice is external to us, and judgement will rightly fall on
unrepentant sinners, but for us personally we need to walk in forgiveness and humbleness.

Our enemies are just like us, and will only find release if they walk in Christ.
We are set free from the power of sin because pain, fear and sorrow no longer bind us into
being defensive and aggressive towards others. Amen and Praise the Lord

"as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
Psalm 103:12

For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Col 1:13-14

The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1 Tim 1:5

 

[JaumeJ]

¨Wonderful meditation, that is share of your meditation. You mentione in you post vengence. This too is a wonderful meditation when I gave deep thought to the saying "Vengeance is mins saith the Lord."

Thinking about revenge I realized I, and all an, are not wise enough to exact revenge. To arrive to this reality takes some prayer and meditation.

I am even given to think it possible that our Fahter's only revenge on men is allowing them to judge themselves from their own words. Actually when you read in the Word how people choose evil over good, I am also given to suspect that come judgment, though people will not choose eternal hell, the will still reject goodness, that is our dear and blessed Father.

Again, I am not wise in that regard, and while I am in this age I think it best I not ever think myself wizened in such matters. Those maters are our Father's and I praise Him that it is so, amen.

Forgiveness is the hardest thing we can do.

It is the giving up of pain in our hearts and detaching our right for revenge from the
hurtful act.

Jesus warns us we cannot expect to be forgiven if we ourselves cannot forgive.

It goes deeper, that Gods justice is external to us, and judgement will rightly fall on
unrepentant sinners, but for us personally we need to walk in forgiveness and humbleness.

Our enemies are just like us, and will only find release if they walk in Christ.
We are set free from the power of sin because pain, fear and sorrow no longer bind us into
being defensive and aggressive towards others. Amen and Praise the Lord

"as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us."
Psalm 103:12

For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Col 1:13-14

The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
1 Tim 1:5

 

[PeterJens]

I am amazed at the pain Jesus endured, the lying and slander he took, the betrayal and
hatred he faced and still He forgave.

Jesus was strange in his ministry.

For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
John 12:47-48

Jesus forgave the people who came against Him.
But their judge will be the words and truth Jesus preached.

So equally it is not the acts done against us that will hold people guilty, but the
truths in Christ we share and those that they ignore and reject.

 

[BeyondET]

don't wait ten years like Paul did to forgive Mark for leaving the journey, barnabas knew the deal but it took awhile for Paul to grasp that.

 

[Stephen63]

Here is another view of forgiveness after the cross and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. If we don't filter all scriptures through the progressive revelation of what Jesus did on the cross - we will be side-tracked and fail to see what Christ has already done in the New Covenant.

I guess Peter and Paul had no idea of what Jesus said there before the Cross when they preached the gospel of the grace of Christ?

Look at the word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of Christ being preached and no where does it say to "forgive first or you will not be forgiven" I'll give you the exact scripture references . Peter - Acts 10:43 and Paul Acts 13:38

Have you ever heard Billy Graham say " Forgive people first before you come to receive Christ's forgiveness"?..of course not..it is anti-the gospel.

It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by mad-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.

The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.

This short video will show you the context of those scriptures in Matt 7.

[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]

Sooo many people think I'm after you because you are a HG'er. Not true

The real truth is I'm constantly having to expose the fact that you are still spreading Hyper-grace heresy in every thread you post in.

Even on YouTube, people are exposing this guy as a HG'er.

Quit spreading false doctrine, & I'll stop. Fair enuff?

 

[Stephen63]

Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

New Covenant forgiveness is based on the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

Forgiveness in Christ is a done deal. Believe and receive it and the reality of the life that is ours in Christ will become real and powerful in our lives. We will be quick to forgive others just as we have been forgiven.

Luke 6:37
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New International Version
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

New Living Translation
"Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.

English Standard Version
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Berean Study Bible
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Berean Literal Bible
And do not judge that you should not be judged; and do not condemn that you should not be condemned; forgive and you will be forgiven.

New American Standard Bible
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

Matthew 12:31
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New International Version
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

New Living Translation
"So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven--except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.

English Standard Version
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Berean Study Bible
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Berean Literal Bible
Because of this I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men; but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

New American Standard Bible
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

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[Grace777x70]

Reported again for violation

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

 

[Grace777x70]

Forgiveness is a done deal - either believe it or don't believe it. It is the New Covenant message as seen in Acts 10 and Acts 13. We have word for word accounts of the true gospel being preached by Peter and Paul.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present time. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,

[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whomwe have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins


Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.


Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

 

[Grace777x70]

We have a choice either to believe in Jesus and the New Covenant or not. The New Covenant started after Jesus shed His blood and died and then rose again.

Here is a visual about forgiveness before the cross and after the cross for those that like them... Jesus finished work on the cross changed everything for us . We have a great complete salvation in Him.

 

[JIMBO43]

Forgiveness is the hardest thing we can do.

Its only hard if you dont look to understand why the person sinned against you..

Was it phobia of some sought that the individual has.. like fear of being attacked or spoke about wrongly.. or something you said that you didnt realise upset the person who sinned against you..

2 the person who sinned against you,,,,,,,, was they walking in the spirit... ? or was they possessed,,, one thing to know hear is theres demons of anger deciet sloth lust pride envy wrath and glutony...

Where the demons God sent.. ? Idont think so..

3 The person who sinned agaist you,,was a christian but he was tempted by a still vice from the enemy. at this point you may say its better to button your lip than to spew the mouth.. But im going to tell you something now.. Do you ever say the first thought that comes into your head ????

If the answer is yes sometimes i do or quite often.. then this is giving into temptation for a wise man will seek knowledge befor opening ones trap..

Then this is knowledge THE ENEMY WANTS YOU TO SPEAK WITHOUT THOUGHT..........

 

[followjesus]

The original post sounds like another debate on works vs grace.

of course it does, because there is very clear scripture spoken By Jesus Christ. and you wont find it in a jospeh prince book. therefore its an unacceptable " attack on grace" thats the trouble with a false doctrine, it turns the mind away from the true doctrine.

 

[JIMBO43]

0h and by the way demons can be hard to spot if the there demons of deciet

 

[Stephen63]

Reported again for violation

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

That's fine..... when they look at my post, they'll see who I was posting to..... & that I was right.

 

[followjesus]

Psalm 32:5, “I acknowledged my sin to You, And my crookedness I did not hide. I have said, “I confess my transgressions to יהוה,” And You forgave the crookedness of my sin. Selah.”

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Proverbs 28:13 “He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.”

1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one Father and one Mediator between the Father and men, the Man Messiah יהושע,”

Leviticus 5:5 , "when anyone becomes aware that they are guilty in any of these matters, they must confess in what way they have sinned."

Isayah 59:Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."


Lamentation 3:41, "Let us lift our hearts along with our hands to YHWH in heaven."

[FONT=&quot]Isayah 59:Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."

[/FONT]james 1:21-25 "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22But be ye DOERS OF THE WORD, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

1 john 1:9-10 "IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just to FORGIVE US our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10IF WE SAY that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.":
1 john 2:1-5"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.3And hereby we do know that WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP his commandments. 4He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a liar, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 5But whoso KEEPETH HIS WORD, in him verily is the love of GOD PERFECTED: HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN HIM."


or i can ignore this and tell people " to acknowledge your sin is an evil conscience, just thank the holy spirit for convicting you of your righteousness"

Jesus....Luke 18:9-14 "And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

 

[followjesus]

0h and by the way demons can be hard to spot if the there demons of deciet

because of who they follow, the serpent.

2 corinthians 11:14-15 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

satan doesnt tell christians " Im satan follow me and well go to hell" He says " did Jesus really say that? naw...thats not true...you dont need to believe what Jesus says, take my word for it, ill show you the way" Just exactly like eden. satans only weapon is to decieve the mind by twisting scripture He even tried this when tempting Jesus, just like eden He takes Gods word, omits what God said " you will surely die"...and comes back with " you will not die, God doesnt want you to be like Him, the fruit is good for ya have a taste and see"

satan isnt interested in luring unbelievers, his efforts are against those who believe, so therefore he needs to change what they believe. and you have false doctrine.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 51[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1, Show me favor, O Yah, According to Your loving-commitment; According to the greatness of Your compassion, Blot out my transgressions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2, Wash me completely from my guilt, And cleanse me from my sin.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3, For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4, Against You, You alone, have I sinned, And done evil in Your eyes; That You might be proven right in Your words; Be clear when You judge.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5, See, I was brought forth in crookedness, And in sin my mother conceived me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6, See, You have desired truth in the inward parts, And in the hidden part You make me know wisdom.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7, Cleanse me with hyssop, and I am clean; Wash me, and I am whiter than snow.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]8, Let me hear joy and gladness, Let the bones You have crushed rejoice.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]9, Hide Your face from my sins, And blot out all my crookednesses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]10, Create in me a clean heart, O Yah, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]11, Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Set-apart Spirit from me.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]12, Restore to me the joy of Your deliverance, And uphold me, Noble Spirit![/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13, Let me teach transgressors Your ways, So that sinners turn back to You.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14, Deliver me from blood-guilt, O Yah, Strength of my deliverance, Let my tongue sing aloud of Your righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]15, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], open my lips, And that my mouth declare Your praise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]16, For You do not desire sacrifice, or I would give it; You do not delight in ascending offering.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]17, The sacrifices of Yah are a broken spirit, A heart broken and crushed, O Yah, These You do not despise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]18, Do good in Your good pleasure to Tsiyon; Build the walls of Yerushalayim.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]19, Then You would delight in sacrifices of righteousness, In ascending offering and complete ascending offering; Then young bulls would be offered on Your sacrifice-place.[/FONT]

 

[JIMBO43]

because of who they follow, the serpent.

2 corinthians 11:14-15 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

satan doesnt tell christians " Im satan follow me and well go to hell" He says " did Jesus really say that? naw...thats not true...you dont need to believe what Jesus says, take my word for it, ill show you the way" Just exactly like eden. satans only weapon is to decieve the mind by twisting scripture He even tried this when tempting Jesus, just like eden He takes Gods word, omits what God said " you will surely die"...and comes back with " you will not die, God doesnt want you to be like Him, the fruit is good for ya have a taste and see"

satan isnt interested in luring unbelievers, his efforts are against those who believe, so therefore he needs to change what they believe. and you have false doctrine.

Ok well how do you know satan doesnt say follow me im Jesus ?.