some things from paul that many omit

[PeterJens]

The concept being put forward is linking two things incorrectly

1. Doing righteous deeds, things that would be called right
2. Lawless deeds, things that are evil and against the Gods law

Stumbling blocks - Matt 13:41, Matt 18:7, Luke 17:1 are things that cause
people to sin or do evil.

Lawless deeds or in greek anomos is "a" - without "nomos" - law

Lawless

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
1. the condition of without law
a because ignorant of it
b because of violating it
2. contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=g458

So anyone who does right things, amen, they are right and judgement is not coming
because of them.

Judgement is because people do evil, and do not repent of it and search out God and
forgiveness.

It is impossible to call right deeds lawless, because by the laws definition they are
obeying the law. So this is just a miss-use of language.

The language is attempting to say anyone labelled as detracting from unconditional
salvation is evil, and a stumbling block, and identified as someone who talks about
morality and sin. This is because the Christ is defined as unconditional faith who
forgives everything and is why we are in heaven no matter how we behave.

This is an impossible somersault, from a God who lays out law and His principles
from the beginning to the end of His book, to then hold none now matter is absurd.

Gods standard is through love in our hearts we fulfil the law. The law of Moses is
no more because Christ is the eternal atoning sacrifice, and has removed the need
for Israel and the temple. Christ puts us in victory by giving us love and healing
our wounds.

There is a vast difference from having no law (lawlessness), and fulfilling it, obeying
it all.

Matthew 13:41 (NASB)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

Stumbling blocks are those that say we need to do righteousness in order to be righteous. It is a self-righteousness/holiness D.I.Y humanistic mindset. There are deeds of righteousness but they are not our own righteousness - it is Christ's. Get this wrong and we create a religion which in effect denies the work of the cross and resurrection that our Lord did.

The whole earth and it's inhabitants are belonging to the kingdom of God. - including believers in Christ ( which Jesus calls wheat or sheep ) and the tares which are the unbelievers in Christ's work - these try to establish their own righteousness by "what they do or don't do". This is lawlessness and is indeed sin - it's the very same sin of Adam and Eve. Trying to be like God without God.

The law is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Works-based salvationists mindsets operate from eating from the very same tree.

We are to eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself. This will result in His life of righteousness being manifested in our lives and it is a sweet smelling savour to our Father. He loves His Son and we are one with Him for all eternity.

 

[Grace777x70]

It's very obvious that some people never read what is being said. This is the reason I don't interact with those that act deceitfully. Their purpose is to cause divisions and offences and Paul tells us what to do with these types.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Being deceitful, slandering others in the body of Christ and full of malice is a sign of being a babe in Christ - no matter how long they have been a Christian nor even if they pastor a church for 40 years - can read in Greek and Hebrew, go to church every time the door is open or pray in tongues for 5 hours a day.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1. If my post is in vain, why then do you bother giving it value by opposing it? It would have died on its own if that were true.
2. It wasn't for G777..... it was for the readers.

I just used your post as an example of a futile post. Which is meaningless, because someone refuses to understand what others believes. And I think it hits right on target.

My post was for the readers also.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The reason he keeps saying this is because he thinks all of Jesus' teachings before the cross are null & void as OT. This includes John 3:16.

Haters hate and Liars lie. At least you don't try to hide what you are. Kinda refreshing in a real sick way.

 

[PeterJens]

Two simple issues

1. Come to Christ in repentance, confession and faith in the cross for the forgiveness of sins
2. Walk in righteousness

About how we walk Paul says this

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Rom 12:9

What is real self righteousness?
1. You do not ask God to forgive you for your sins.
2. You do not recognise the evil of your sins and hate them.
3. You believe your sin is ok and acceptable for whatever reason.
4. You do not admit you need Gods help.
5. You do not let Gods definition of righteousness to set what is acceptable.
6. You believe you have arrived when only God can say this

There are probably more points that could be added.
If you fail on any of these points you fall into a version of self-righteousness,
and we can all do this.

So people who can claim they are walking under any theology, can actually be
self righteous. Anything which denies sin being present when it is is self righteousness.

Double somersault. If I am forgiven of everything no matter what I do in Christ, it is
a form of self righteousness. I am acceptable in sin.
To rejecting this self righteousness is not unbelief but actually walking in the light.

It does get confusing when language itself is redefined in peoples minds.
The only way through is to use language as it is meant to be used, and then describe
what is happening with this language.

Sin is evil behaviour, and we need to shun it, condemn it and walk away.
If we commit it, we need to repent, confess and accept forgiveness through the cross.

Now I was accused of sinning by having unbelief in the persons version of faith and forgiveness.
But condemning continuing in sin as being acceptable, is just preaching the gospel and what
sin actually is, evil behaviour, not doing that which is right, walking in love, obeying Christs
law.

 

[Stephen63]

Haters hate and Liars lie. At least you don't try to hide what you are. Kinda refreshing in a real sick way.

Joseph Prince posts this on his own site. It's not hidden.

We all know G777 lives & teaches what Joseph Prince teaches. So do you.

So much for haters & liars.

 

[Stephen63]

I just used your post as an example of a futile post. Which is meaningless, because someone refuses to understand what others believes. And I think it hits right on target.

My post was for the readers also.

Then the readers can make their own determination.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Joseph Prince posts this on his own site. It's not hidden.

We all know G777 lives & teaches what Joseph Prince teaches. So do you.

So much for haters & liars.

once more. No one has said anything about Joseph prince. Grace 777 has stated he does not believe all JP teaches. And JP does not believe what you think he does.

Your committing a reportable offense. Do we need to go through this again? LEAVE JP OUT unless he is specifically being discussed (which is against the rules)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Joseph Prince posts this on his own site. It's not hidden.

We all know G777 lives & teaches what Joseph Prince teaches. So do you.

So much for haters & liars.

So much for you.

 

[Grace777x70]

once more. No one has said anything about Joseph prince. Grace 777 has stated he does not believe all JP teaches. And JP does not believe what you think he does.

Your committing a reportable offense. Do we need to go through this again? LEAVE JP OUT unless he is specifically being discussed (which is against the rules)

That is true. I don't believe all that any one minister preaches and teaches. I hope to not believe all that I believe now in 5 years as the Holy Spirit reveals more of Christ to me.

I hope to repent ( change the way I am thinking towards something ) as I see more truth of the glorious gospel of the grace of God shown in Christ. I expect to be repenting more and more as I see the beauty of the Lord and His love and grace for us. I expect to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is best to not interact with those that continually mis-represent what is really being said - it's purpose is to cause strife and division which is why the mods have asked us in CC to stop mentioning certain derogatory terms.

 

[PeterJens]

The truth is all scripture needs to be filtered through the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection. To try to obtain life without Christ's work is lawlessness.

If we don't rightly divide the scriptures in the light of what Christ has done on the cross and resurrection - we end up mixing the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and we lose the purpose of them both as we water them done and make the word of God of none effect - just like Jesus said.

This is an interesting proposition, which I once thought also.

Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord
Lev 19:18

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
Matt 22:39

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14

What has changed is the Holy Spirit and empowerment from within.
Forgiveness is through Christ and the cross, not the temple, and the power to walk
is from healing within and love being set free to bring obedience to God.

Without seeing Gods heart in Christ, we could not get the full picture of who God
was and what His intentions and heart was. It was this close personal relationship
with the disciples that demonstrated the problems and the walk up close and personal,
and how much in holiness and purity, there is always danger, faith and love at work.

But plainly if love is not working deeply in you this is like gibberish.
But think about this before you condemn me as evil and from satan.

By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:35

This is not easy, by any means. Everything in your life, heart, understanding
will fight against it, unless you bow the knee and believe in Christ.

And if I love Jesus and walk in His ways, you have to call me brother.
So if for whatever reason you find emnity with me, there is something wrong
in your life, because friends, in the Kingdom we are of one mind in love.

 

[gb9]

Joseph Prince posts this on his own site. It's not hidden.

We all know G777 lives & teaches what Joseph Prince teaches. So do you.

So much for haters & liars.

one person, one person keeps bringing up j.p. and h. g over and over. obsessed much??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Two simple issues

1. Come to Christ in repentance, confession and faith in the cross for the forgiveness of sins
2. Walk in righteousness

For the reader

These are only issues for the unsaved.

Why you may ask?

1. The born again, adopted sons and daughters have repented, come to Christ in confession and complete faith in the cross.

2. The born again adopted saved child of God walks in obedience. According to scripture.

​It is the unsaved, th elicentious and the legalist who have yet to do these things. That is what it is an issue for them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

one person, one person keeps bringing up j.p. and h. g over and over. obsessed much??

it is reportable offense.. Maybe we need to start doing this.

 

[Stephen63]

once more. No one has said anything about Joseph prince. Grace 777 has stated he does not believe all JP teaches. And JP does not believe what you think he does.

Your committing a reportable offense. Do we need to go through this again? LEAVE JP OUT unless he is specifically being discussed (which is against the rules)

We're talking about many things people omit from Paul, G777 stated emphatically "after the cross", so my posts are allowed.

As for the "offense"..... empty words.

 

[FreeNChrist]

We're talking about many things people omit from Paul, G777 stated emphatically "after the cross", so my posts are allowed.

As for the "offense"..... empty words.

Are you saying that nothing changed "after the cross"??

 

[gb9]

This is an interesting proposition, which I once thought also.

Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord
Lev 19:18

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
Matt 22:39

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14

What has changed is the Holy Spirit and empowerment from within.
Forgiveness is through Christ and the cross, not the temple, and the power to walk
is from healing within and love being set free to bring obedience to God.

Without seeing Gods heart in Christ, we could not get the full picture of who God
was and what His intentions and heart was. It was this close personal relationship
with the disciples that demonstrated the problems and the walk up close and personal,
and how much in holiness and purity, there is always danger, faith and love at work.

But plainly if love is not working deeply in you this is like gibberish.
But think about this before you condemn me as evil and from satan.

By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:35

This is not easy, by any means. Everything in your life, heart, understanding
will fight against it, unless you bow the knee and believe in Christ.

And if I love Jesus and walk in His ways, you have to call me brother.
So if for whatever reason you find emnity with me, there is something wrong
in your life, because friends, in the Kingdom we are of one mind in love.

if this person finds enmity with you, it could be because in the last 10 days or so, you have falsely accused him of blasphemy , called him a heretic multiple times, even briefly accused him of lying about his identity ( which you apologized for, so credit for that). just an observation.

 

[FreeNChrist]

if this person finds enmity with you, it could be because in the last 10 days or so, you have falsely accused him of blasphemy , called him a heretic multiple times, even briefly accused him of lying about his identity ( which you apologized for, so credit for that). just an observation.

Yeah, but he's all about "love" isn't he?? LOL.

 

[Grace777x70]

if this person finds enmity with you, it could be because in the last 10 days or so, you have falsely accused him of blasphemy , called him a heretic multiple times, even briefly accused him of lying about his identity ( which you apologized for, so credit for that). just an observation.

I have no enmity with this person. I pray for him and ask the Lord to bless him and that he would see our Lord for who He truly is - just like we all want to know Him.

I simply avoid him because of his behavior which has not changed like Paul says to do in Romans 16:17

"The sky is blue..."

 

[gb9]

I have no enmity with this person. I pray for him and ask the Lord to bless him and that he would see our Lord for who He truly is - just like we all want to know Him.

I simply avoid him because of his behavior which has not changed like Paul says to do in Romans 16:17

"The sky is blue..."

yes, I am sure you do not, but if there were to be some, there is plenty of reasons why.

forgiving these baseless attacks is a great model for this forgiveness thread. a good example of Biblical forgiveness.