some things from paul that many omit

[Stephen63]

it is reportable offense.. Maybe we need to start doing this.

Maybe you should.

While you're at it, please don't forget that anyone talking about this doctrine, name mentioned or not, is guilty of this offense.

That means every time I counter a post, I ought to be reporting it instead.

Is that what you want?

I know it when I see it..... so does a lot of people.

BTW, how can they ban one for using the preacher's name, when the owner is allowing by permission a member to post that preacher's devotions & using his name? That's totally against the rules.

Consider your ways before you report..... he that judges does the same things.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If we speak of God's grace we are guilty of an offense?? I will surely be keeping you busy with that report button.

 

[Stephen63]

Are you saying that nothing changed "after the cross"??

Since you ramble & distract, you are now on ignore.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Since you ramble & distract, you are now on ignore.

Oh no. Say it ain't so, Joe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe you should.

While you're at it, please don't forget that anyone talking about this doctrine, name mentioned or not, is guilty of this offense.

That means every time I counter a post, I ought to be reporting it instead.

Is that what you want?

I know it when I see it..... so does a lot of people.

BTW, how can they ban one for using the preacher's name, when the owner is allowing by permission a member to post that preacher's devotions & using his name? That's totally against the rules.

Consider your ways before you report..... he that judges does the same things.

1. Done, and I am sure others by now are doing it too
2. We went through this stuff Friday, You were shown the actual offense you were committing, yet you continued, and still continue to go against The rules.
3. No one here is talking about hypergrace. Mentioning it, or teach9ng in JP's name, the only one who even seems to bring it up continuously are you and sometimes Peter.

 

[PeterJens]

This is an interesting proposition, which I once thought also.

Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord
Lev 19:18

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
Matt 22:39

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14

What has changed is the Holy Spirit and empowerment from within.
Forgiveness is through Christ and the cross, not the temple, and the power to walk
is from healing within and love being set free to bring obedience to God.

Without seeing Gods heart in Christ, we could not get the full picture of who God
was and what His intentions and heart was. It was this close personal relationship
with the disciples that demonstrated the problems and the walk up close and personal,
and how much in holiness and purity, there is always danger, faith and love at work.

But plainly if love is not working deeply in you this is like gibberish.
But think about this before you condemn me as evil and from satan.

By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:35

This is not easy, by any means. Everything in your life, heart, understanding
will fight against it, unless you bow the knee and believe in Christ.

And if I love Jesus and walk in His ways, you have to call me brother.
So if for whatever reason you find emnity with me, there is something wrong
in your life, because friends, in the Kingdom we are of one mind in love.

if this person finds enmity with you, it could be because in the last 10 days or so, you have falsely accused him of blasphemy , called him a heretic multiple times, even briefly accused him of lying about his identity ( which you apologized for, so credit for that). just an observation.

Well gb9, do you love, and are of one mind in the Kingdom?

 

[PeterJens]

Two simple issues

1. Come to Christ in repentance, confession and faith in the cross for the forgiveness of sins
2. Walk in righteousness

About how we walk Paul says this

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Rom 12:9

What is real self righteousness?
1. You do not ask God to forgive you for your sins.
2. You do not recognise the evil of your sins and hate them.
3. You believe your sin is ok and acceptable for whatever reason.
4. You do not admit you need Gods help.
5. You do not let Gods definition of righteousness to set what is acceptable.
6. You believe you have arrived when only God can say this

There are probably more points that could be added.
If you fail on any of these points you fall into a version of self-righteousness,
and we can all do this.

So people who can claim they are walking under any theology, can actually be
self righteous. Anything which denies sin being present when it is is self righteousness.

Double somersault. If I am forgiven of everything no matter what I do in Christ, it is
a form of self righteousness. I am acceptable in sin.
To rejecting this self righteousness is not unbelief but actually walking in the light.

It does get confusing when language itself is redefined in peoples minds.
The only way through is to use language as it is meant to be used, and then describe
what is happening with this language.

Sin is evil behaviour, and we need to shun it, condemn it and walk away.
If we commit it, we need to repent, confess and accept forgiveness through the cross.

Now I was accused of sinning by having unbelief in the persons version of faith and forgiveness.
But condemning continuing in sin as being acceptable, is just preaching the gospel and what
sin actually is, evil behaviour, not doing that which is right, walking in love, obeying Christs
law.

For the reader

These are only issues for the unsaved.

Why you may ask?

1. The born again, adopted sons and daughters have repented, come to Christ in confession and complete faith in the cross.

2. The born again adopted saved child of God walks in obedience. According to scripture.

​It is the unsaved, th elicentious and the legalist who have yet to do these things. That is what it is an issue for them.

This is a very strange statement.

So when a believer sins, repentance, confession and faith in the cross is not necessary?
And all believers walk righteously.

Well I like the idea everyone walks righteously, though many deny this is even possible and
openly confess they do not do this even for 1 hour.

And dealing with sin through repentance, confession and acceptance of forgiveness is an
eternal principle for reconciliation with God.

So it appears you are following a different faith than the gospel and have abandoned the
basics. Thank you for this open confession, EG.

And a lot of people are falling into the definition of self righteousness, without even knowing
it. This also confuses many discussions when the phrase is miss-applied.

 

[PeterJens]

The law - what is its purpose

To provoke sinners to sin greater.
The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase.
Rom 5:20

To show sinners their sinfulness.
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Rom 3:20

To bring about sorrow and conviction.
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
2 Cor 7:10

To confirm to the righteous that they know God.
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
1 John 2:3

To show us the heart of God and where His emphasis is.
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
1 John 2:3

The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 John 3:24

Then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.
Phil 2:2

That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
John 17:21

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The law. what was its purpose.

Gal 3
[SUP]19[/SUP]Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.


Given as a tutur or shoolmaster. to lead us to christ.

1. To convict of sin (we can not keep the law)
2. Leads to repentance. if we confess our inadequacy, and our hopelessness (ie the tax collector)
3. Shows the price of redemption and atonement (with out the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness)
4. Leads to eternal salvation as the one who is saved repents, confesses, and gives praise to God in saying yes God, I want your righteousness inputed to me, so I can be saved, for I can not save myself.

After we are Saved. The law has done its job (we are no longer under a shoolmaster)

but it can affect our lives..

1. Cause us to sin more (sin increases)
2. Causes us to live in defeat (I am trying to obey it but I can not)
3. Causes us to water down the law (since I can not live it, I will water it down to my level so I can overcome it)
4. Can not help us to be righteous, only show us where we were.. and how we have overcome by the cross..

 

[PeterJens]

but it can affect our lives..

1. Cause us to sin more (sin increases)
2. Causes us to live in defeat (I am trying to obey it but I can not)
3. Causes us to water down the law (since I can not live it, I will water it down to my level so I can overcome it)
4. Can not help us to be righteous, only show us where we were.. and how we have overcome by the cross..

According to Paul

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
1 Tim 1:8-11

The law has no problem for the righteous because they do not break it.
The law has only a problem for sinners and law breakers.

So all the list of discouragement is because you are not walking as Christ intended.

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
1 John 2:3

Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10

When we walk with Christ in love, we fulfill the law, and rest in God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You think your funny Peter?

You only need to keep this to one thread, What your doing is not honest.. Your trying to push an idea in two threads.

Which causes others to give their view so people can chose.

so here Goes..
yes, We do not need the law to show us what to do. We instead look to the law of love, which fulfills the law of moses, and every other law God has given.

Want to know how to be righteous. Love the lord your God. and your neighbor as yourself.

don't look to the Law. As paul said, it will cause sin to increase, and is an impossible thing to accomplish (which s why Christ had to accomplish it)

Look and love.. Then do not be so proud you think you have love conquered and are without sin.. Ask God to show you the areas you need to grow.. and continue to run the race.

 

[PeterJens]

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting andtraining in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Tim 3:16-17

The law for some means the gospels, most of the letters, revelations, the old testament
so some will hardly ever read scripture.

But Paul is saying everything is God breathed so consult and read it all, Amen.

 

[PeterJens]

I apologise, I am quoting the same scripture on two threads where they are both
being opposed by the same people pushing their own agenda.

Strange that, lol.

Now where is the dishonesty.

 

[Stephen63]

False doctrine is for the self-righteous, the same as idolatry.

Folks change the meanings of scripture on sin so they can either not repent or do what they want.

They want to be holy without conviction of sin..... that's self-righteous.

Wanting to be religiously acceptable without true repentance is self righteousness.

Bypassing Jesus' commands & teachings is definitely self-righteousness.

If you ever notice, it's hard to twist Jesus' teachings, because they are so simply & directly said. Thus they're labeled OT, & done away with.

It's the self-righteous people that ignore the majority of scriptures because they won't agree with their "one-verse-wonders".

James is ignored. Hebrews is ignored. Actually, any epistles but Paul's.

And what will they say to cover this up? Stupid statements, such as "Jesus is true theology", that can mean anything since His own words are removed from Him.

As long as "christianese language is used, the unsuspecting readers will gobble it up.

This is the Falling Away...... they're supposed to gobble it up. But woe unto those who leads them astray! They shall not escape the damnation of Hell.

 

[FreeNChrist]

"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” Galatians 6:2


It's real simple.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

False doctrine is for the self-righteous, the same as idolatry.

Folks change the meanings of scripture on sin so they can either not repent or do what they want.

They want to be holy without conviction of sin..... that's self-righteous.

Wanting to be religiously acceptable without true repentance is self righteousness.

Bypassing Jesus' commands & teachings is definitely self-righteousness.

If you ever notice, it's hard to twist Jesus' teachings, because they are so simply & directly said. Thus they're labeled OT, & done away with.

It's the self-righteous people that ignore the majority of scriptures because they won't agree with their "one-verse-wonders".

James is ignored. Hebrews is ignored. Actually, any epistles but Paul's.

And what will they say to cover this up? Stupid statements, such as "Jesus is true theology", that can mean anything since His own words are removed from Him.

As long as "christianese language is used, the unsuspecting readers will gobble it up.

This is the Falling Away...... they're supposed to gobble it up. But woe unto those who leads them astray! They shall not escape the damnation of Hell.

not one person here teaches this trash..Except maybe for those who water down the law? And think they are more righteous than the others?

it is quite amazing how people who do not admit they are sinners. are judging the people who admit they are sinners by saying they do not admit they are sinners (repent/confess),

anyone else confused by this logic?



So again, Another bomb that is off target because the bomber does not know the enemy in order to properly place the bomb.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” Galatians 6:2


It's real simple.

sadly, as we see from the last few posts by a couple of members, It is not that simple..

People are not being honest, sadly, with themselves.

 

[Grandpa]

False doctrine is for the self-righteous, the same as idolatry.

Folks change the meanings of scripture on sin so they can either not repent or do what they want.

They want to be holy without conviction of sin..... that's self-righteous.

Wanting to be religiously acceptable without true repentance is self righteousness.

Bypassing Jesus' commands & teachings is definitely self-righteousness.

If you ever notice, it's hard to twist Jesus' teachings, because they are so simply & directly said. Thus they're labeled OT, & done away with.

It's the self-righteous people that ignore the majority of scriptures because they won't agree with their "one-verse-wonders".

James is ignored. Hebrews is ignored. Actually, any epistles but Paul's.

And what will they say to cover this up? Stupid statements, such as "Jesus is true theology", that can mean anything since His own words are removed from Him.

As long as "christianese language is used, the unsuspecting readers will gobble it up.

This is the Falling Away...... they're supposed to gobble it up. But woe unto those who leads them astray! They shall not escape the damnation of Hell.

You know what most people don't understand is Rest. Also Righteousness that is apart from the Law.

People don't understand it and when it is brought up legalists call it a 'false doctrine'. Well to a legalist it is. But legalists are already under a false doctrine. So why would anyone listen to them? They want to be teachers but they don't understand the big picture. They are blind leaders of the blind.

The more a doctrine causes a legalist to yell 'licentiousness!' the closer to the Truth it probably is.

 

[PeterJens]

The tower of faith

5 Fruit of patience, kindness, perseverance, self control
4 Love, obedient right walking, trust, hope
3 Holy Spirit, Gods word, prayer, communion, fellowship
2 Forgiveness, washing, cleansing, healing
1 Conviction, repentance, confession, faith, Christ, the cross

Against such there is no law.

 

[PeterJens]

What makes me laugh is 1 year ago, mentioning walking righteously or in holiness would
have been derided. Now everyone is saying they are obedient to Christ and walking as
unto the law.

I think the body of Christ has simply read scripture and realised what God says. So if
you are off beam, to not appear totally nuts, you have to agree to the language.

And righteousness is all about faith in God and knowing Him. It includes obedience to
the law, but it is all about love and walking in communion. Not exactly new teaching.