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LOL, oh come on, LOL. It has been quite awhile since I have seen someone fall for that fallacy.
Sorry I mistyped it.

Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
 

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Sorry I mistyped it.

Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

A CITY CANNOT SAY ANYTHING, IT IS THE INHABITANTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE THE BRIDE, AND THEY CERTAINLY CAN AND WILL SAY "COME!"


Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.


John 1:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Revelation 22:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


Revelation 21:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


That is a Jewish expression for the traditional way they adorn a house or the way they decorate a house for a Wedding. Most Weddings in the Jewish culture take place in house of the Groom's Father. That house will be adorned exactly like the Bride is adorned, vales and all:




It pays to study Jewish Cultural History.





EVEN WHEN THE WEDDING IS OUT DOORS, IT IS TRADITION TO ADORN THE TENT AS A BRIDE.




HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND? If you are looking at a new dwelling place that a Bridegroom has built for His Bride, {wich is mandatory in every Jewish Wedding, whether it be an add-on room to the Father's or a whole new Dwelling Place on the Father's Property (NEW CITY)}; it is ridiculous to misunderstand that the Dwelling Place of the Bride is actually the Bride saying: "COME."

John 14:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if not, I would have told you. I am going away to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If I go away and prepare a place for you, I will come back and receive you to Myself, so that where I am you may be also.
THAT EXPRESSION COMES RIGHT OUT OF A TRADITIONAL JEWISH WEDDING PROPOSAL!


Isaiah 61:10 (ASV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] I will greatly rejoice in Jehovah, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with a garland, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Matthew 9:15 (YLT)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And Jesus said to them, `Can the sons of the bride-chamber mourn, so long as the bridegroom is with them? but days shall come when the bridegroom may be taken from them, and then they shall fast.


The CITY is the Bride-Chamber, not the Bride.
 
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A CITY CANNOT SAY ANYTHING, IT IS THE INHABITANTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE THE BRIDE, AND THEY CERTAINLY CAN AND WILL SAY "COME!"
Amazing how you now want to not accept the very clear words of Jesus here but will when they suit you!
Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
 

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WHO IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST?

Ephesians 5:23-25 (YLT)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] because the husband is head of the wife, as also the Christ is head of the assembly, and he is saviour of the body,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] but even as the assembly is subject to Christ, so also are the wives to their own husbands in everything.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] The husbands! love your own wives,as also the Christ did love the assembly, and did give himself for it,

Genesis 34:12 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Set the price I must pay for the bride and the gift I must give her as high as you want. I'll pay exactly what you tell me. Give me the girl as my wife.”

1 Corinthians 7:23 (YLT)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] with a price ye were bought, become not servants of men;

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (RSV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

John 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah, but I’ve been sent ahead of Him.’
[SUP]29 [/SUP] He who has the bride is the groom. But the groom’s friend, who stands by and listens for him, rejoices greatly at the groom’s voice. So this joy of mine is complete.

THE BRIDE CLEARLY IS THE ASSEMBLY OF TRUE BELIEVERS THAT HE HAS BEEN BUILDING FROM ADAM ON, NOT the New City Jerusalem He builds after HIS ASCENSION. It Says HE HAS THE BRIDE.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Does anyone else know that the word CHURCH is NOT in the Greek manuscripts?

So what did Jesus actually say then?


The actual Greek word was ASSEMBLY, but apparently because when they were Translating the first English Translation of the Bible, the English speaking Believers were already calling their Assembly "the Church"; the Translators therefore just substituted the word Church for the Literal Translation, ASSEMBLY.


<Quote>
Greek NASB Number: 1577


Greek Word: ἐκκλησία

Transliterated Word: [FONT=Gentium !important]ekklêsia[/FONT]
Root: from 1537 and 2564;

Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation:--

New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.<End Quote>


I believe that is important, because it is the EXACT same Term as what HE called the congregation of True Believers in the Old Testament. That I think, is strong evidence that the Assembly HE is building began with ADAM, whereas, the non-Biblical term "Church" only refers to N.T. Believers.

I know that there will be a lot of Christians who do not agree with me on this subject. However, when one studies the Jewish Wedding Traditions and how the apply to Christ Calling Out His Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, it becomes obvious that it will happen prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

Because of false teachers like Harold Camping and many others who have misrepresented and even changed the meaning of the term, I do not even like to use the term Rapture. Instead I prefer to call it what it really is, "The Calling Out of the Bride" to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, and I have found that most Conservative Evangelicals have pretty much the same beliefs about this subject:

THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE (THE CHURCH - The sum total of all true believers, OT and NT):

To fully understand the significance of expressions, such as: "I go to prepare a place for you", or "a thief in the night", or "with the voice of an archangel", or "only the Father knows", you have to know the Jewish Wedding traditions, because that is the origin of all those expressions. I can highly recommend the booklet "A Christian Love Story" by Zola Levitt that may still be available at his website. Or it can be found on Amazon.com, in Kindle format for less than two dollars.

If a man was seeking a bride 2000 years ago, he had to first go to the father and make a contract or covenant with the father for what price he wanted for the bride. The Father's price to redeem the Bride the Church, was a Holy Blood Sacrifice; 1 Cor. 6:20.

The price for the Bride would be payable immediately after the bride accepted the proposal (if she accepted); the man would be invited to a family sitdown supper, where he would propose. The proposal was NEVER VERBAL. He would pour a cup of wine and set it down in front of the woman he wanted to be his Bride. If she took the cup and drank from it, she was accepting his proposal. Jesus on the night of the Last Supper poured the cup of wine and passed it to the Disciples the Foundation of the Church, choosing the Church as his intended Bride. The Disciples drank from the Cup accepting the Proposal of Jesus Christ to the Church; Mat. 26:27.

Once she had taken the cup and drank from it, they immediately became known as Bride and Bridegroom for the entire betrothal period. Before the Bridegroom would leave the dwelling place of the Bride, he would stand and make a verbal announcement, "I go to prepare a place for you." YES, the very words of Jesus, come from the traditional Jewish Wedding Proposal; John 14:2-3.

When the Bridegroom left the old dwelling place of the Bride, he would never set foot in it again until after the Wedding Ceremony in the new dwelling place. Jesus has left the old dwelling place of the Bride, Earth; and He will not set foot on it again until after the Marriage of the Lamb to the Church, which takes place in New City Jerusalem He is building for his Bride; 1 Th. 4:17, Rev. 21:2, Mat. 24:30.

ONLY his father could decide, "The new dwelling place is finished, go get your Bride." He would periodically come and inspect the progress and make the son add this and that until the new dwelling place met his father's standards, because the young man may be too anxious to go get his Bride and cut corners to get done quickly. So literally NO ONE but the father knew when the Wedding would be. Jesus said that very thing, in Mark 13:32.

When the Bride would see signs that the new dwelling place was nearly finished, she would gather her wedding party at her place, and they all had to bring lamps with oil in them, because the traditional time for the Bridegroom to come and steal the Bride away was at night, usually around midnight. They would sleep over because they were not sure which night, just that it could be soon, and very soon. Hence the parable of Ten Virgins is telling a very familiar Wedding Story that every Jew would recognize, as their Wedding traditions; Mat. 25:1-13, 1 Th. 5:2.

When the father finally told his son, "The new dwelling place is finished, go get your bride." The Bridegroom would quickly gather his Wedding party, choosing one of them to Shout and call the Bride out of her old dwelling place. They would stop just outside the old dwelling place, NOT setting foot in it, while the chosen one would Shout and call the bride out. Jesus has already chosen the Archangel to Shout and call us out of our old dwelling place, Earth; 1 Th. 4:16-18.

The entire wedding party, would all go back to the new dwelling place for the 7 day Wedding Ceremony. Most Evangelicals, believe that the One Week Wedding Ceremony, and the 70th Week of Daniel is the Same Week of Years. After the Ceremony, the entire Wedding party would return to the old dwelling place of the Bride for the Wedding Feast. Then for the first time since the Proposal the bridegroom sets foot in the Old Dwelling Place of the Bride.

What about the Old Testament True Believers? I believe the Bride is the some total of all true believers of all time.

We NT Assembly of True Believers are those who believe Jesus is the Messiah who did come to pay for our sins, and thereby did receive HIM as Lord.

The OT Assembly of True Believers are those who believed Messiah would come to pay for their sins, and thereby did receive HIM as Lord.

See it? That is the same faith, the Faith of Abraham.

Jeremiah 2:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]"Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: "'I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the desert, through a land not sown.

Isaiah 62:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee; and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Ephesians 5:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church {Correct translation is ASSEMBLY.}. He is the Savior of the body.

Matthew 9:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, "Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

Matt 25:1 (NKJV)
1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the Bridegroom.

The New Dwelling Place that HE promised build us in John 14:2, is the dwelling place every bridegroom built for his bride, in his father's house. And it will remain there, until after the Millennial Kingdom when it is lowered to the new earth still decorated from the like a bride from the Wedding of the Lamb that took place there. How do we get back and forth if we are to reign with him for that thousand years? It does not specifically say, but maybe that is why the story of Jacob's Ladder is in the Bible, to validate that those of us in our glorified bodies, that we will find that there is a way for us to reign as Priests (teachers of the children born in the KINGDOM to the 144,000 Jews), and still have our dwelling place in Heaven where our citizenship already is.
 
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The New Dwelling Place that HE promised build us in John 14:2, is the dwelling place every bridegroom built for his bride, in his father's house. And it will remain there, until after the Millennial Kingdom when it is lowered to the new earth still decorated from the like a bride from the Wedding of the Lamb that took place there. How do we get back and forth if we are to reign with him for that thousand years? It does not specifically say, but maybe that is why the story of Jacob's Ladder is in the Bible, to validate that those of us in our glorified bodies, that we will find that there is a way for us to reign as Priests (teachers of the children born in the KINGDOM to the 144,000 Jews), and still have our dwelling place in Heaven where our citizenship already is.
Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
 

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Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

I repeat, Cities do not cry out to the Lost COME! But the inhabitants of that City the Assembly of True Believers, DO call out OTHERS to come to the Bridegroom. You have fallen for some very twisted opinions. And from that High Mountain you are also looking at the inhabitants of the City. Now which of those two possibilities, can fulfill this verse:


Revelation 22:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Spirit andthe bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.












I repeat, Are you being shown the CITY or the Inhabitants of the City, from a High Mountian; and WHICH CAN SAY COME? You do not want to believe the combined total of all the Assembly He has built is the Bride of Christ? Then you are right, you will not be making the trip to the Wedding of the Lamb. Only those who are READY and KEEP READY, watching for Bridegroom, get to go.

Matthew 25:1-13 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] "Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] "For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But at midnight there was a shout, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.'
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

 
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I repeat, Cities do not cry out to the Lost COME! But the inhabitants of that City the Assembly of True Believers, DO call out OTHERS to come to the Bridegroom. You have fallen for some very twisted opinions. And from that High Mountain you are also looking at the inhabitants of the City. Now which of those two possibilities, can fulfill this verse:
Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
 

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Sorry I mistyped it.

Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Stan, are you saying that you actually are typing the verses? If so, there is a way easier way.


https://www.wordsearchbible.com/aboutwordsearch?g=3124

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All I have to do to get the entire verse over here is highlight the first word then right click and copy, then just paste it here.

John 3:16 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Honest, all I highlighted is For.
 
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Stan, are you saying that you actually are typing the verses? If so, there is a way easier way.
No I meant I mistyped the scripture reference. Trust me I know how to copy & paste, plus I use biblegateway.com for all my scripture quotes.
 

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Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

My you are stubborn. So explain how you perceive a City saying "COME"?


And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spoke with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.What follows in verses 9-21 is a description of the city. We have seen the psychological or spiritual aspects of it that are wonderful, but this physical description is also worth contemplating.
We must pause here to consider the relationship of the city to the citizens -- the city proper to the church. Certainly we are not to infer that the empty city without the citizens is the bride. The citizens are identified with the city in Rev. 22:3, 6, 19. Those outside are identified here in verse 8 as disfranchised. Although a distinction between the bride and the city needs to be maintained, it is the intent of the writer to consider them together.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.
 
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My you are stubborn. So explain how you perceive a City saying "COME"?
Sure, as soon as you address the scripture I've quoted a few times now...What does it say?
 
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Amazing how you now want to not accept the very clear words of Jesus here but will when they suit you!
Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
I agree with this...and it is very hard to get past the definite article that is applied unto THE bride....

It also seems clear from some of the parables that gentiles are identified as the guests at the wedding.....
 
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Amazing how you now want to not accept the very clear words of Jesus here but will when they suit you!
Rev 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Greetings StanJ,

"Hallelujah!For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

In the scripture above, the bride is receiving her fine linen, white and clean (wedding clothes). Can a city be given clothes to wear? Did Paul not say when referring to the believers in Corinth and therefore all believers that:

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

The new Jerusalem is only described as bride beautifully dressed for her husband, not that the city is the bride. It's just a comparison and that because the city is made of pure gold, the gates made of pearls, the foundations of twelve different precious gems and garnished with precious Gems.

VCO is correct in that, it is not the city that is the bride of Christ, but His church who will receive her fine linen, bright and clean at the wedding of the Lamb.

"I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.


Blessing in Christ!
 
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Sure, as soon as you address the scripture I've quoted a few times now...What does it say?
I have addressed it several times, you for some reason do not understand the we, the sum total of born again believers being present in that NEW DWELLING PLACE HE PROMISED US, are what makes it eligible to even be referred to as the Bride, not the City, nor the Buildings itself. The NEW CITY JERUSALEM is the BRIDAL CHAMBER.

[video=youtube;33f27pyqCLk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33f27pyqCLk[/video]
 

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Sure, as soon as you address the scripture I've quoted a few times now...What does it say?

I saw Zola's original Bible Study "A Christian Love Story" as part of Zola's weekly TV Show back in the 80's and I watched it with my wife. This Musical Rendition of the Same Study, I had not seen until now. You will not understand this, but watching this caused many tears to flow, especially the drinking of the cup; as I long for that DAY my Bridegroom come's. Yes, I really long to hear that Trumpet and the Shout of the Archangel every day.
 
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Greetings StanJ,

"Hallelujah!For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

In the scripture above, the bride is receiving her fine linen, white and clean (wedding clothes). Can a city be given clothes to wear? Did Paul not say when referring to the believers in Corinth and therefore all believers that:

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

The new Jerusalem is only described as bride beautifully dressed for her husband, not that the city is the bride. It's just a comparison and that because the city is made of pure gold, the gates made of pearls, the foundations of twelve different precious gems and garnished with precious Gems.

VCO is correct in that, it is not the city that is the bride of Christ, but His church who will receive her fine linen, bright and clean at the wedding of the Lamb.

"I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.


Blessing in Christ!

Somehow, I have to suspect that Stan has been taught in a manor similar the cults that come knocking at out doors; that he is supposed TOTALLY IGNORE ANY BIBLICAL EVIDENCE WE PRESENT, and while he just continues with the spiel he has been taught.

I showed him the perspective of a Jewish Wedding from a Messianic Christian understanding - and he ignored it.

I showed him promises to the sum total that the Assembly that Christ has built as being the Bride - and he ignored it.

I showed him evidence that the Assembly of True Believers also include O.T. Believers as part of the Bride - and he ignored it.
.....Isaiah 62:5 (GWT)
[SUP]......5 [/SUP] As a young man marries a woman, so your sons will marry you. As a bridegroom
........rejoices over his bride
, so your God will rejoice over you.

I showed him pictures of Cities from elevated heights that the prove you see the inhabitants while looking at that City, and he ignored it.



I showed him a commentary by J. Vernon McGee that validated that the citizens have to be present for the title Bride to be even REMOTELY Relevant to the City, - and he ignored it.

. . . Certainly we are not to infer that the empty city without the citizens is the bride. The citizens are identified with the city in Rev. 22:3, 6, 19. Those outside are identified here in verse 8 as disfranchised. Although a distinction between the bride and the city needs to be maintained, it is the intent of the writer to consider them together.This passage is a description of the adornments which reveal something of the love and worth that the Bridegroom has conferred upon His bride. . . .

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

I guess we will have to call him "Left Behind].
 

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One final try. PLEASE STANJ, acknowledge HIM as your Bridegroom, you are not the first to misunderstand the City as the Bride:


Hosea 2:16 (HCSB)

[SUP]16 [/SUP] In that day— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declarationyou will call ⌊Me⌋, “My husband,” and no longer call Me, “My Baal.”

Hosea 2:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] On that day I will make a covenant for them with the wild animals, the birds of the sky, and the creatures that crawl on the ground. I will shatter bow, sword, and weapons of war in the land and will enable the people to rest securely.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I will take you to be My wife forever.
I will take you to be My wife in righteousness,
justice, love, and compassion.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I will take you to be My wife in faithfulness, and you will know Yahweh.


Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.




As the CHUPPAH represents the virgin purity of the Bride under the Canopy:







So does the Holy City represents the Holy Purity cleansed by the Blood of the Lamb, and thus the Assembly of True Believers, the Bride, dwells within that Holy City.






 
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Greetings StanJ,

"Hallelujah!For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

In the scripture above, the bride is receiving her fine linen, white and clean (wedding clothes). Can a city be given clothes to wear? Did Paul not say when referring to the believers in Corinth and therefore all believers that:

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

The new Jerusalem is only described as bride beautifully dressed for her husband, not that the city is the bride. It's just a comparison and that because the city is made of pure gold, the gates made of pearls, the foundations of twelve different precious gems and garnished with precious Gems.

VCO is correct in that, it is not the city that is the bride of Christ, but His church who will receive her fine linen, bright and clean at the wedding of the Lamb.

"I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Blessing in Christ!
Hi Ahwatukee,
Yes a city can be adorned AS a bride, but what you refer to in Rev 19 is identified at the end of V8 and before the New Jerusalem is revealed. Also what is written in Rev 22:17 is when the city is full of people, nevertheless it is just as metaphorical and symbolic as a lamb saying come or the ones who hear saying come.
That's right, Rev 21:2 says prepared as a bride and 21:9 says "I will show you the bride".
Who do you think is being referred to in 19:9? If the church is the bride of Christ then who is being invited to the banquet. If Jesus is the head of the Body of Christ then how can he marry himself?
 
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Somehow, I have to suspect that Stan has been taught in a manor similar the cults that come knocking at out doors; that he is supposed TOTALLY IGNORE ANY BIBLICAL EVIDENCE WE PRESENT, and while he just continues with the spiel he has been taught.

I showed him a commentary by J. Vernon McGee that validated that the citizens have to be present for the title Bride to be even REMOTELY Relevant to the City, - and he ignored it.
You mean just as you have done throughout the initial subject of this thread? You actually haven't given any biblical evidence, you've copied & pasted a whole lot of pictures and junk from some other sites and didn't even give credit to them.

By the way Jay Vernon McGee holds no weight with me whatsoever.