Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

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Should it be once saved always saved or should it be once saved and once saved again.

  • it should be once saved always saved

    Votes: 8 72.7%

  • it should be once saved and once saved again

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Total voters
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iamsoandso

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Ahwatukee said:
The above makes no sense. I don't even know what you are attempting to say.

It's quite simple. If a one remains in faith, then the promises of forgiveness and eternal life are valid. If one does not remain in faith, then they have wandered away from the truth. One is not saved regardless of what one does! If one goes back to living according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, then they will have died in there sins.

Did you bother reading any of the scriptures that I provided? They're self explanatory. If a believer doesn't remain in Christ, then that person cannot bear fruit. If they continue to not remain in Christ, then in that state that cannot bear fruit and that because they are living according to the sinful nature. So, when the Lord comes to gather his church, those people who have not remained in him will not be gathered. Just read the scriptures that I provided. they're self explanatory.
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Paul was saved at the cross,not because of anything he did.
 
iamsoandso

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Let me ask you where you saved on the cross at Calvary or were you saved at some later date that depended on your own works as if you needed to be born years later and do something to "get saved"? Are you saved by your own works or had you already been saved at the cross by the work of the Lord and then many years later when you were born then you grew up and pondered it and realized he had saved you at the cross many years ago?
 
Ahwatukee

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iamsoandso said:
Paul was saved at the cross,not because of anything he did.
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Paul was saved by having faith, just as every believer is, which is what I have been talking about. It is through the grace of God through faith in Christ that we are saved. It requires continuing in faith on our part. Faith is not works. It is our response to God's in-birthing of faith regarding the revelation of his son and our belief in him that saves us.

If you remain in Christ, then you are having faith and you have nothing to worry about. If you don't remain in him, then you are no longer having faith and you cannot bear fruit.
 
Ahwatukee

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iamsoandso said:
Let me ask you where you saved on the cross at Calvary or were you saved at some later date that depended on your own works as if you needed to be born years later and do something to "get saved"? Are you saved by your own works or had you already been saved at the cross by the work of the Lord and then many years later when you were born then you grew up and pondered it and realized he had saved you at the cross many years ago?
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What does your question have to do with the need to remain in faith in order to receive salvation?
 
iamsoandso

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There’s a huge difference between someone asking you "have you been saved yet?" as if you had some part to do in it's work and someone asking you if you know that the Lord has saved you. One is saying outright that he doesn’t believe the Lord saved you at the cross and is insinuating that he in fact is here to act as your saviour by saving you because he believes the Lord has not. The other is pointing out that the Lord is the one who saved you on the cross and asking you if you believed it.
 
Ahwatukee

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There’s a huge difference between someone asking you "have you been saved yet?" as if you had some part to do in it's work and someone asking you if you know that the Lord has saved you.
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The individual's part is that, he believes that Christ shed his blood for that individual. If that person remains in that faith, they are saved. If they turn away from Christ and go back into living according to the sinful nature, then they need to repent and return to the Lord. While they are in that wandered state, they are accumulating sin and are on their way to death until they repent and return to Christ. It has nothing to do with works!
 
JIMBO43

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mailmandan said:
Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
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Salvation is not the same as being saved,, Salvation = eternal life with Gods family. Saved = the start of your walk.

What would be the point of putting on your helmet of hope for salvation ? if saved and salvation was the same ?.
Plus the fact where is the hope for a saviour if your salvation is allready declared. ?
 
JIMBO43

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scriptures of the saved being lost
Galatians 5:4 “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

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dcontroversal

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Verb tense proves those who say you can lose it to be in error...My salvation is based upon Jesus, his work, his faith and he will finish what he started....

Some of the views in this thread have really opened my eyes as to why some miss the truth about the end....their false gospel of losing salvation equates to no real saving faith -->no real saving faith = no ability to understand the rest of the word!

yeah I know.........d-controversial for a reason!
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
scriptures of the saved being lost
Galatians 5:4 “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

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Not hardly.........go read chapters 1 and 3 and then put this in context!
 
JIMBO43

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dcontroversal said:
Not hardly.........go read chapters 1 and 3 and then put this in context!
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Mate how clear can that scripture be its sayS they fell from grace.. are you going to tell me now that unsaved people experience grace.. mate thats reallY calling the kettle black if your going to sAY ANYTHING DIFFRENT :rolleyes:
 
JIMBO43

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dcontroversal said:
Verb tense proves those who say you can lose it to be in error...My salvation is based upon Jesus, his work, his faith and he will finish what he started....

Some of the views in this thread have really opened my eyes as to why some miss the truth about the end....their false gospel of losing salvation equates to no real saving faith -->no real saving faith = no ability to understand the rest of the word!

yeah I know.........d-controversial for a reason!
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iM GLAD TO SEE YOUR OPENING YOUR EYE BROTHER hahaha now you have keep focused ;) and believe in the scripture and hope for salvation bro
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
Mate how clear can that scripture be its sayS they fell from grace.. are you going to tell me now that unsaved people experience grace.. mate thats reallY calling the kettle black if your going to sAY ANYTHING DIFFRENT :rolleyes:
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CONTEXT pal.....The Galatian assembly was trying to mix FAITH and WORKS for salvation and those who do so STEP away from GRACE...it has nothing to do with salvation...the entire LETTER is written to SAVED IMMERSED CHURCH MEMBERS....
 
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dcontroversal said:
CONTEXT pal.....The Galatian assembly was trying to mix FAITH and WORKS for salvation and those who do so STEP away from GRACE...it has nothing to do with salvation...the entire LETTER is written to SAVED IMMERSED CHURCH MEMBERS....
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Mate i dont care what they did Jesus warned them they where falling from grace,,, you just spoke about your eyes opened.. well did you ever stop to think that Jesus was trying to open the eyes of those who had fell from grace ?
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
Mate i dont care what they did Jesus warned them they where falling from grace,,, you just spoke about your eyes opened.. well did you ever stop to think that Jesus was trying to open the eyes of those who had fell from grace ?
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Jesus inspired the context pal.......and because people reject context we have every flavor of falsehood that can be found under the sun....Paul even speaks to this in Romans and other books....

IF it is of grace it cannot be of works and if of works then it is no longer grace....wake up and have some tea so you can open your eyes HAHAHHAHAHHAHAH ;)
 
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joaniemarie

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mailmandan said:
Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
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It's been said before that we are not saved on the installment plan like a mortgage.
 
JIMBO43

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dcontroversal said:
Jesus inspired the context pal.......and because people reject context we have every flavor of falsehood that can be found under the sun....Paul even speaks to this in Romans and other books....

IF it is of grace it cannot be of works and if of works then it is no longer grace....wake up and have some tea so you can open your eyes HAHAHHAHAHHAHAH ;)
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pal listen and listen Good, be at peace with your war ahainst the foolish galations zee hi spokens de dutch. mate WAKE UP grab acoffe and shake that head of yours give it a good wobble.

Then put on your helmet of hope for salvation. end of period........
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
pal listen and listen Good, be at peace with your war ahainst the foolish galations zee hi spokens de dutch. mate WAKE UP grab acoffe and shake that head of yours give it a good wobble.

Then put on your helmet of hope for salvation. end of period........
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Brother you need to lay of the jacks of ale....I have hope and it is a SURE hope and guaranteed salvation based upon JESUS and his faith.....I posted this, but you rejected it.....here is the definition of hope...pay attention to the bolded

elpis: expectation, hope​
Original Word: ἐλπίς, ίδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: elpis
Phonetic Spelling: (el-pece')
Short Definition: hope, expectation
Definition: hope, expectation, trust, confidence.HELPS Word-studies
1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope.
 
JIMBO43

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dcontroversal [U said:
expectation of what is sure [/U](certain); hope.
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Like i said useing the dictionaries to prove your point isnt the wisest of moves :rolleyes:
 
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