Confused got a couple questions

[MadebyHim]

1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.

1. Jesus meant hate way, lifestyles, not the person.

2. Jesus was showing us that laws was added to laws.

3. Because Jesus knows what He is talking about.


Jesus said Lazarus sleeps as well, maybe thats what he called it since He knew He would conquer death.

 

[Cthulu_40]

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

When you refer to yourself as a father and also a son you do not speak in 3rd person

 

[Cthulu_40]

Eg. I am a son and he is the father

 

[NayborBear]

Why are you fighting so? Like has been said, all your answers have been posted to your accusingly sounding questions. None of us can make you understand the answers, even as hard as I try, I cannot!...Posters here can give you their/our perspective, yet we cannot force understanding upon you. Only the Father can do this! and then? ONLY, if you ASK HIM! Otherwise, the enemies of God will keep you skipping over every good reply that's been made to your questions, and blind you from understanding!

 

[DiscipleDave]

II Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the LORD Thy God in Vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

So what is this entity's name? Jehova? Yaweh? Both JHVH and YHVH mean I am that I am. Which one? Shibboleh? Jesus?

God has many names:

click here to see a website with all the names:

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jehova is supposed to be jesus' dad, if jesus is god then jehova can not also be god, more contradiction

Just because YOU do not understand, does not mean there is a contradiction.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Cthulu_40]

Just because YOU do not understand, does not mean there is a contradiction.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

Again when you refer to yourself as a father and also a son you do not speak in 3rd person, so that is a contradiction

 

[BenFTW]

I can offer an analogy if you'd like? I am not sure if it truly does God justice, but hey, its something.

Consider the sun. One might say that God the Father is the matter/substance that makes up the sun, then Jesus is the light that emanates from that matter, and the Holy Spirit is the heat/power from the sun. All three are present, and yet one. The matter, the light, and the power. All distinct in their respective roles, and yet one.

We in our finite minds are trying to make sense of the Trinity. To us it very well may be a mystery, but have faith. You can have a relationship with God, you can hear His voice, and communicate with God. This isn't some one way conversation. He is alive, and as a believer, He is with you always. Speak to Him, and also listen. Especially listen.

 

[Magenta]

As I said before if they are the same person then who sent him

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

He is obviously talking about someone else

When you open YOUR mouth to speak, who is speaking? You or your mouth? Does your mouth speak of its own accord? Jesus is the image of the invisible God. This is explicitly stated in Scripture. Have you read the Bible? I suggest you do.

 

[DiscipleDave]

An egg has three parts, the shell,the yoke and the white. If I call it an egg is that a contradiction? Three parts,one egg.

i always did like that analogy of the Egg. If you take all three parts of that egg and separated them, you can point at each part and say "That's an egg". Love that.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[dcontroversal]

1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.

1. God first, all else second....the man and the funeral...Jesus said, "Let the dead bury the dead" speaking spiritually....those lost are considered dead

2. Was the Sabbath made for man or man for the Sabbath....every now and then the OX falls in the ditch....Jesus is the incarnate word....The LAW and PROPHETS were until JOHN....JESUS was establishing a NEW COVENANT.......he did not break anything....that was the LOST PHARISEES position....

3. Jesus viewed the death of a believer as sleeping....the Apostles taught the same thing....STEPHEN when stoned to death FELL ASLEEP.....

 

[Cthulu_40]

When you open YOUR mouth to speak, who is speaking? You or your mouth? Does your mouth speak of its own accord? Jesus is the image of the invisible God. This is explicitly stated in Scripture. Have you read the Bible? I suggest you do.

I don't refer to my mouth as something else when it speaks as jesus refers to god as someone else in the multiple verses I have provided multiple times. Do you look to your mouth when you have offended someone and say "why did you do that"

 

[Cthulu_40]

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

 

[DiscipleDave]

So again if jesus is god Yaweh, jehova, whatever it's called cannot be god also, so who is it? What's it's name? Why are all these verses contradicting

Brother, all those verses contradict, because you are yet carnal, and think carnally. How can i describe it. it is like a baby trying to eat a steak with a fork? Has no clue what it is, nor how to go about to eat, nor does that baby even have a desire to eat such a thing. That baby wants his bottle, and ONLY his bottle. The only thing that baby understands is when he is hungry, he wants his BOTTLE, not solid foods. Now once you get off milk of the word and start eating meat of the Word, then and only then will you begin to understand the Word did not contradict, only the meanings and interpretation that was in your MIND that is what contradicted each other. The Word is PERFECT, it is our understanding of that Word that is flawed and seems to contradict with other verses in the Word. But read it over and over and over again, and the Truth will be revealed to you, i promise.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Embankment]

God gave the light also to pagan nations. Any pagan nation that believed in God that dies and resurrects for their sins had a proto-gospel like ancient Jews.

But beware, many internet articles messed it up very much, most of the cases are not so similar to Jesus as they try it to look so.

Brother Cthulu_40, if you are seeking the basic nature of Jesus or the Spirit of God, you need to go to Church and talk to real live people. Now if you have Questions, ask them, if you are having doubts, reveal them. And we will do the best we can to help you. But if you continue to belittle God, or say things against Christians in general, you are going to be banned, just saying. So then, knowing this, if you want to be banned then continue to do as you have been doing and calling God names, and saying things against Christians in general. But if you TRULY want some of your questions answered, then ask them without saying a bad thing against God or Christians. If you are a God hater, or Christian hater, you will not be able to hide it, and it will present itself to us, and you will be banned. Keep it clean and maybe some of your questions will be answered.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I did not start reading the Bible until I was 33 years old. My goal was to prove in my mind Christianity and Christians were a bunch of stupid hypocrites. I was so ignorant that I actually thought I was proving they were. Then I came to a spot that I knew I was lieing to myself out of pure rebellion. It was a great moment. I was so blessed yet felt so stupid. Why did it take so long? I am a slow processor anyway and God worked with that in me. God had a plan for me. It's funny, I thought I knew soooooo much but I was such a fool. I sill am growing in the spirit but I am a Child of God!

 

[Rondonmon]

II Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the LORD Thy God in Vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

So what is this entity's name? Jehova? Yaweh? Both JHVH and YHVH mean I am that I am. Which one? Shibboleh? Jesus?

Jehova means Yaweh, and JHVH and YHVH are their true Hebrew form where if I am not mistaken they used no vowels. So all four of those are the exact same name. If you would seek God, and study, instead of seeking out Godless sites and repeating their garbage, you might find God. You can not find God with a carnal mind, its hopeless.

And by the way, Jesus only means Salvation in Hebrew, so in many places where you see Salvation in the Old Testament they are speaking about the redeemer Jesus. The Son of God.

Saying Oh My GOD....WITHOUT REASON, is taking Gods name in vain.

 

[Magenta]

i always did like that analogy of the Egg. If you take all three parts of that egg and separated them, you can point at each part and say "That's an egg". Love that.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

H two oh is a better analogy, because whether gaseous or frozen or melted, it is all the same elemental composition, whereas the egg yolk or white alone is not an egg, neither is an egg shell an egg

 

[Magenta]

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Neither does your hand know when or what it is to do until you will it to act.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I have never called him 1 thing in this entire thread

really?

Consider your post:

[h=2]

Re: Confused got a couple questions[/h]

So anyone who does not love him more than their own parents is not worthy of him? What happened to honor thy father and mother? Here, he is placing himself above the family members of his followers, AGAIN, indicating pride and extreme arrogance:

Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

This is also the sin of ENVY- he is so jealous of anyone who might share their love for another.
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These are all things that you say about GOD. So you DID call Him those things, proof is above.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Cthulu_40]

Brother, all those verses contradict, because you are yet carnal, and think carnally. How can i describe it. it is like a baby trying to eat a steak with a fork? Has no clue what it is, nor how to go about to eat, nor does that baby even have a desire to eat such a thing. That baby wants his bottle, and ONLY his bottle. The only thing that baby understands is when he is hungry, he wants his BOTTLE, not solid foods. Now once you get off milk of the word and start eating meat of the Word, then and only then will you begin to understand the Word did not contradict, only the meanings and interpretation that was in your MIND that is what contradicted each other. The Word is PERFECT, it is our understanding of that Word that is flawed and seems to contradict with other verses in the Word. But read it over and over and over again, and the Truth will be revealed to you, i promise.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

BUT

Exodus 20
I Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

It is apparent the Nazarene is claiming he is "God." So that is contradicting:

Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [Here he is obviously referring to himself]

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Now "Jesus" is God?

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth...