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John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

If jesus and god are the same, who is his father, who sent him?
They are all three the Same in essence/make-up. But they have different offices. God has the abundance of the Glory. The Son is our Redeemer, and the Holy Spirit is our Comforter.

All are Love, Joy, Peace, Hope, Kindness, Honesty, Forgiving etc. etc. But God has the Glory, you can't look at God, you can look upon Jesus and the Holy Spirit can live in you, if God lived in your Heart with ALL OF HIS GLORY, you would not survive.

Its like a three trillion gallon reservoir, all the exact same in make-up. 100 Gallons poured on the head will get you wet pr soaking wet. (Jesus/Holy Spirit) but all three trillion Gallons will drown you. We can not stand in the presence of the full Glory of God.
 

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Again, if these are names of God, then why are some "son of God" "son of mary" if got impregnated Mary with Jesus then jesus cannot be the son god nor the son of Mary
Again, back to the carnal mind. Know you not that every living person has a spirit inside of them.

Jesus Christ is the one who walked in the Garden with Adam and Eve. Jesus Christ is the "Lord thy God" of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ created the EARTH. God is a Spirit. Jesus then entered into MARY and was born as a human person. The very Spirit that created the UNIVERSE was born a human being out of Mary. What you seem to not understand because you are still carnally minded, it that there is FLESH AND SPIRIT. You are not understanding that, and therefore say things like you say above.

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I don't refer to my mouth as something else when it speaks as jesus refers to god as someone else in the multiple verses I have provided multiple times. Do you look to your mouth when you have offended someone and say "why did you do that"
Jesus said He only said and did that which was given to Him to say and to do, the same way your mouth can only do and say that which you will it to say and to do. He also explicitly said that if you had seen Him you had seen the Father. Do you understand what that means? Jesus knew exactly Who He was. It was everyone else, and now that includes YOU, who do not know Who He is, and struggles to understand and accept. Only the Holy Spirit of God can reveal these truths to you. Are you ready to receive them? You need to be HUMBLE to receive these truths. Do you know what that means, to be humble before God? It certainly does not equate to putting yourself above the revealed written Word of God. That is called the pride of life. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. If you really want to know, get down on your knees, every morning and every night. Say "Please God" in the morning and "Thank you God" at night. That would be making a good beginning :)
 
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Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.
Do you understand that Jesus disrobed himself of Glory, took on the form of a servant and learned to be obedient by the things which he suffered...GOD, in order to mediate for humanity had to experience humanity (including death) Jesus as a man was limited by his flesh in order that he may fully experience the human condition.....there are no contradictions in what Christ has said.....
 
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Ah, now we know what unites the CC community, when the rubber meets the road ya'll join in one accord to defend truth. Thanks Cthulu_40.
 

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I can but I said if jesus claimed himself to be god, which I have provided verses for, then who is jehova, you cannot be your own father and son so if jehova is god and jesus is god that's a contradiction
There are three parts to God

Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit = GOD.

If you do not understand that, you will not understand anything concerning that topic.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Scriptures teach that a Husband and Wife are no longer TWO but they are ONE FLESH. Understand THAT and then you can understand the Trinity better.

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My hand is not am external being, he is also referring to knowledge not actions
Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You need to read the Bible. You are fighting against your own ignorance. Your hand is part of yourself is it not? What does your hand know apart from you? Absolutely nothing. It can do nothing apart from you. Get over the analogies and go to the Word. Jesus purposefully limited Himself in His humanity.
 
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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them
If you read Luke 14:15-24, you will see a parable about people that were invited and were expected to come to the King's Supper, were making excuses for the everyday care of life, even the excuse for just having been married to love his wife more than to come to the King's Supper. It is the about Who takes priority first in this life in regards to when the Bridegroom comes to take those abiding in Him to the Marriage Supper above. It was not about hating family or any one down here while we live our lives down here, but "in leaving this life and our loved ones down here to follow Him up there". Proof of that is when Jesus expounded on that parable of the King's Supper to the multitude wherein He says to hate this life, hate his family, in order to leave this life and them behind in Luke 14:25-35 as you can read the whole thing in context at this link below.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14:15-&version=KJV


So it is not really about hating any one, but like money, you have to love the One or the other. And so in loving God which is the first commandment, and in regards to our human frailty, I put my trust in Him to help me love Him more than my family, friends, or a beloved so that I leave them in His hands to prefer leaving this life and them behind to love Him by going Home above to live with God forever.

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.
Jesus made a person whole on the sabbath day and as well as testifying Himself equal with God the Father in working on this sabbath day and the Pharisees were making a big deal out of ignorance that Jesus is Lord of the sabbath day and not the sabbath day lord over God.

If you look at Matthew 12:1-8, when the Pharisees were seeking to judge His disciples for gathering corn on the sabbath day, Jesus cited two incidents in the O.T. when the saints had broken the sabbath day and yet were blameless because they were in the temple. Then Jesus said that in this place, is One greater than the Temple was here, inferring Himself, as to why His disciples were blameless for breaking the sabbath day, because He was with them.

Now that we have been bought with a price and our bodies had become temples of the Holy Spirit wherein Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always, this is why all believers are blameless for breaking the sabbath day. 2 Corinthians 13:5

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
It is possible that when people back in those times have seen a person go into a coma, it is to be the same as death, because usually people do not come out of a coma back then. Jesus said that she was not dead, and so His correcting them may very well be an accurate diagnosis of her condition back then even though it was still a miracle in bringing her out of that coma that would have led to her eventual & actual death. But that is speculation on my part, even though in your second reference.....it is written that her spirit came again, and thus indicating she was dead, but it may just be that her mindless body was alive with her spirit again as she did rose straight away when Jesus commanded her to rise.

However, there are references where death and sleep may be seen as the same thing, but it may just be that Jesus was referring that she had not departed to take up residence in Abraham's bosom akak Paradise yet because He will wake her up from this death which would be seen as a sleep since she had not really departed.

1 Thessalonians 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Eventually, we will all see death as a sleep when we are alive in Christ Jesus for all eternity. Maybe that is why Jesus said she is not dead, especially when He knows He is bringing her back from this sleep to show that He is Lord over death.
 
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There are three parts to God

Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit = GOD.

If you do not understand that, you will not understand anything concerning that topic.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Scriptures teach that a Husband and Wife are no longer TWO but they are ONE FLESH. Understand THAT and then you can understand the Trinity better.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
Do you understand that Jesus disrobed himself of Glory, took on the form of a servant and learned to be obedient by the things which he suffered...GOD, in order to mediate for humanity had to experience humanity (including death) Jesus as a man was limited by his flesh in order that he may fully experience the human condition.....there are no contradictions in what Christ has said.....
Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You need to read the Bible. You are fighting against your own ignorance. Your hand is part of yourself is it not? What does your hand know apart from you? Absolutely nothing. It can do nothing apart from you. Get over the analogies and go to the Word. Jesus purposefully limited Himself in His humanity.
2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous (acting independently or having the freedom to do so) from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will. If jesus and god were the same this would not be possible
 
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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Jesus did not mean actually hate your family,but do not put any person above Him in importance,for He is number one in a person's life,and the will of family imposed on a saint,and the love of family,and to take care of their business,should not take precedence over Jesus and His will for our life.

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

Jesus said that man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,for it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and because of that the sabbath can be changed to accommodate man,or taken out of the way as we do not have to observe the physical sabbath at all in the New Testament,which it was changed to spiritual by the Spirit,but the main thing is He is Lord of the sabbath,and is God manifest in the flesh,and God works everyday for the good of people,and does not take a day off,and also Jesus said,is it not good to do good on the sabbath,and illustrated the point that on the sabbath day,if one sees someone's animal in a hole,will he not help him with the animal,and in such a case it is not breaking the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath,and God works everyday,but as a man He was not breaking the sabbath,because He was going around helping people,healing them,preaching the Gospel,feeding the poor,doing good for people on the sabbath,which the sabbath day was so people could rest from their own labors of a work environment,catering to their self and family,to put food on the table,and clothes on their back,and for their own personal gain,or own pleasure,but a person is not breaking the sabbath if it is for the concern of other people and their needs,which is what Jesus did,not for Himself,but for others,for to do good for people that had need,and why He pointed out if an animal falls in a hole on the sabbath,will you not help the person pull the animal out,for then to do good on the sabbath,is not breaking the sabbath,but cease from your own labors,that are your concern.

Also Jesus posed a question when they said He broke the sabbath,that the law of Moses says that a male child has to be circumcised on the 8th day,but what if it falls on the sabbath,which they will circumcise a male child even though it falls on the sabbath,and have labored on the sabbath day,but then say Jesus broke the sabbath when He healed a person.

Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

To do good on the sabbath is not breaking the sabbath,for the first greatest commandment is love God,and the second greatest commandment is love people,which takes priority over the commandment of the physical sabbath day,for man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,so it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and there is no rest from helping people in need on the sabbath day,which is what Jesus did.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.[/QUOTE]

I believe the child was dead,for He performed a miracle and brought her back to life,but Jesus is God,and His way of saying she is sleeping is the way it was for Him,because He can bring her to life,like Lazarus who was dead for 4 days,and He brought Him to life,and also all people that were in the truth before Jesus were all sleeping,or if not in the truth,for the dead know not anything at that time,but they are not truly dead,but all people will be raised one day,whether with God or not with Him.

To people a person may be dead,but to God nobody is dead,and nobody is truly dead,for all will be raised,but Jesus decided to put life back in her flesh,and has the power to do so,so to people she is dead,but to Jesus she is only sleeping,for He has the power to put life back in her,and wake her up.

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Also Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping,and would awake him out of sleep,and said Lazarus is dead,so Jesus saying they sleep is the same as Him saying,they are dead,but He said that to the people,for to them Lazarus is dead,but to Jesus he is sleeping,for He said I will wake him out of sleep,for He has the power to put life back in them,which God made Adam and Eve from the dust of the earth,surely Jesus can give life back to a dead body,and repair that body in the process,especially in the case of Lazarus who was dead for 4 days.
 

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Originally Posted by Cthulu_40


Sorry I meant if God impregnated Mary with Jesus and jesus Is god God cannot be the son of God, you yourself provided "proof" that Jesus is god so who is jehova
The Father is God
Jesus is God
Holy Ghost is God

All Three (3) is GOD.

Now the reason Jesus is called the Son of God, is because the Father (GOD) created Jesus (GOD). Jesus is the ONLY begotten of the Father. The ONLY thing that the Father ever created. Jesus Created Everything that was made. Jesus did NOT create Himself. The Father created Jesus who then created the known universe. Jesus is called the Son of God, because He came out from the Father. Jesus was taught all that He knew from the Father. Jesus the Son of God, prayed to His Father in Heaven. Many people, even the elect of Christians, do not know or understand this TRUTH. i didn't either, until God told me this.

The Father is God.
The Son is God and also the Son of God the Father. Now do you understand. You would, if you believed it.

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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Jesus did not mean actually hate your family,but do not put any person above Him in importance,for He is number one in a person's life,and the will of family imposed on a saint,and the love of family,and to take care of their business,should not take precedence over Jesus and His will for our life.

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

Jesus said that man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,for it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and because of that the sabbath can be changed to accommodate man,or taken out of the way as we do not have to observe the physical sabbath at all in the New Testament,which it was changed to spiritual by the Spirit,but the main thing is He is Lord of the sabbath,and is God manifest in the flesh,and God works everyday for the good of people,and does not take a day off,and also Jesus said,is it not good to do good on the sabbath,and illustrated the point that on the sabbath day,if one sees someone's animal in a hole,will he not help him with the animal,and in such a case it is not breaking the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath,and God works everyday,but as a man He was not breaking the sabbath,because He was going around helping people,healing them,preaching the Gospel,feeding the poor,doing good for people on the sabbath,which the sabbath day was so people could rest from their own labors of a work environment,catering to their self and family,to put food on the table,and clothes on their back,and for their own personal gain,or own pleasure,but a person is not breaking the sabbath if it is for the concern of other people and their needs,which is what Jesus did,not for Himself,but for others,for to do good for people that had need,and why He pointed out if an animal falls in a hole on the sabbath,will you not help the person pull the animal out,for then to do good on the sabbath,is not breaking the sabbath,but cease from your own labors,that are your concern.

Also Jesus posed a question when they said He broke the sabbath,that the law of Moses says that a male child has to be circumcised on the 8th day,but what if it falls on the sabbath,which they will circumcise a male child even though it falls on the sabbath,and have labored on the sabbath day,but then say Jesus broke the sabbath when He healed a person.

Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

To do good on the sabbath is not breaking the sabbath,for the first greatest commandment is love God,and the second greatest commandment is love people,which takes priority over the commandment of the physical sabbath day,for man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,so it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and there is no rest from helping people in need on the sabbath day,which is what Jesus did.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
I believe the child was dead,for He performed a miracle and brought her back to life,but Jesus is God,and His way of saying she is sleeping is the way it was for Him,because He can bring her to life,like Lazarus who was dead for 4 days,and He brought Him to life,and also all people that were in the truth before Jesus were all sleeping,or if not in the truth,for the dead know not anything at that time,but they are not truly dead,but all people will be raised one day,whether with God or not with Him.

To people a person may be dead,but to God nobody is dead,and nobody is truly dead,for all will be raised,but Jesus decided to put life back in her flesh,and has the power to do so,so to people she is dead,but to Jesus she is only sleeping,for He has the power to put life back in her,and wake her up.

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Also Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping,and would awake him out of sleep,and said Lazarus is dead,so Jesus saying they sleep is the same as Him saying,they are dead,but He said that to the people,for to them Lazarus is dead,but to Jesus he is sleeping,for He said I will wake him out of sleep,for He has the power to put life back in them,which God made Adam and Eve from the dust of the earth,surely Jesus can give life back to a dead body,and repair that body in the process,especially in the case of Lazarus who was dead for 4 days.[/QUOTE]

Matthew 10: 34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
 
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2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous (acting independently or having the freedom to do so) from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will. If jesus and god were the same this would not be possible
Jesus was all man.....and represents what man can be when led 100% of the Spirit.....your quote in the garden was his human weakness.....again he learned to be obedient by the things he suffered.....and just like us...we have moments of strength and moments of weakness........it is not that difficult to understand mate
 

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Who impregnated Mary then, this happened before jesus was born, was it not supposed to be god. Jesus and jehova are clearly understood as 2 different things in the Bible

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
It is apparent you do not read and understand Scriptures. Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost, which is God.

The Father is GOD
The Son is GOD
The Holy Ghost is GOD

They three is GOD

Mat_1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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1. Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families? Surely, when the son of God said "hate" he meant "hate," didn't he? Why would the son of God confuse us by using hyperbole? How could the examples of Luke 9:59-62, even if allegorical, be hyperbole anyway? Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral, and he called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Jesus did not mean actually hate your family,but do not put any person above Him in importance,for He is number one in a person's life,and the will of family imposed on a saint,and the love of family,and to take care of their business,should not take precedence over Jesus and His will for our life.

2. Why did Jesus, by his own admission, break the Sabbath law (John 5:16-18)? This puts the lie to the Christian idea that the perfect Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and therefore was a suitable unblemished sacrifice for our sins.

Jesus said that man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,for it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and because of that the sabbath can be changed to accommodate man,or taken out of the way as we do not have to observe the physical sabbath at all in the New Testament,which it was changed to spiritual by the Spirit,but the main thing is He is Lord of the sabbath,and is God manifest in the flesh,and God works everyday for the good of people,and does not take a day off,and also Jesus said,is it not good to do good on the sabbath,and illustrated the point that on the sabbath day,if one sees someone's animal in a hole,will he not help him with the animal,and in such a case it is not breaking the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the sabbath,and God works everyday,but as a man He was not breaking the sabbath,because He was going around helping people,healing them,preaching the Gospel,feeding the poor,doing good for people on the sabbath,which the sabbath day was so people could rest from their own labors of a work environment,catering to their self and family,to put food on the table,and clothes on their back,and for their own personal gain,or own pleasure,but a person is not breaking the sabbath if it is for the concern of other people and their needs,which is what Jesus did,not for Himself,but for others,for to do good for people that had need,and why He pointed out if an animal falls in a hole on the sabbath,will you not help the person pull the animal out,for then to do good on the sabbath,is not breaking the sabbath,but cease from your own labors,that are your concern.

Also Jesus posed a question when they said He broke the sabbath,that the law of Moses says that a male child has to be circumcised on the 8th day,but what if it falls on the sabbath,which they will circumcise a male child even though it falls on the sabbath,and have labored on the sabbath day,but then say Jesus broke the sabbath when He healed a person.

Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

To do good on the sabbath is not breaking the sabbath,for the first greatest commandment is love God,and the second greatest commandment is love people,which takes priority over the commandment of the physical sabbath day,for man was not made for the sabbath,but the sabbath was made for man,so it is people that are important above the sabbath day,and there is no rest from helping people in need on the sabbath day,which is what Jesus did.

3. Why did Jesus say the ruler's daughter was not dead? (Matt 9:18-25; Luke 8:41-56) Either Jesus lied, or he performed no miracle, but the context clearly shows that it was understood to be a miracle.
I believe the child was dead,for He performed a miracle and brought her back to life,but Jesus is God,and His way of saying she is sleeping is the way it was for Him,because He can bring her to life,like Lazarus who was dead for 4 days,and He brought Him to life,and also all people that were in the truth before Jesus were all sleeping,or if not in the truth,for the dead know not anything at that time,but they are not truly dead,but all people will be raised one day,whether with God or not with Him.

To people a person may be dead,but to God nobody is dead,and nobody is truly dead,for all will be raised,but Jesus decided to put life back in her flesh,and has the power to do so,so to people she is dead,but to Jesus she is only sleeping,for He has the power to put life back in her,and wake her up.

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Also Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping,and would awake him out of sleep,and said Lazarus is dead,so Jesus saying they sleep is the same as Him saying,they are dead,but He said that to the people,for to them Lazarus is dead,but to Jesus he is sleeping,for He said I will wake him out of sleep,for He has the power to put life back in them,which God made Adam and Eve from the dust of the earth,surely Jesus can give life back to a dead body,and repair that body in the process,especially in the case of Lazarus who was dead for 4 days.[/QUOTE]

Matthew 10: 34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.*
 
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I guess that quote was a bit too long, I obviously didn't write most of that so JesusRules1, this is my response to your
"Jesus did not mean actually hate your family,but do not put any person above Him in importance,for He is number one in a person's life,and the will of family imposed on a saint,and the love of family,and to take care of their business,should not take precedence over Jesus and His will for our life."
Matthew 10: 34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
 
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It is apparent you do not read and understand Scriptures. Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost, which is God.

The Father is GOD
The Son is GOD
The Holy Ghost is GOD

They three is GOD

Mat_1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

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DiscipleDave
"Of the Holy Ghost" not THE Holy Ghost
 

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John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.

John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

If jesus and god are the same, who is his father, who sent him?
The Father in Heaven which no human has ever seen, EVER is in Heaven. Jesus who humans have seen is the Father's SON, His ONLY begotten SON. The Father sent Jesus Christ to Earth to do what He had to do to save us. Understand?

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The Father in Heaven which no human has ever seen, EVER is in Heaven. Jesus who humans have seen is the Father's SON, His ONLY begotten SON. The Father sent Jesus Christ to Earth to do what He had to do to save us. Understand?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave
This again contradicts the idea that they are one in the same and jesus stating he is the father