How long can a Christian go without sinning?
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We walk by Faith. IF you stop to check to see if you are being sinless what is your standard? Whatever it is, when you stop to check you stop walking by faith and started walking by works and results. In the understanding of your own imagination.
That is falling short. Sin. So even if you were sinless for a time you wouldn't know it. Because if you check, you aren't.
Its like claiming to be humble. Maybe you were. Until you proclaimed it.
That is falling short. Sin. So even if you were sinless for a time you wouldn't know it. Because if you check, you aren't.
Its like claiming to be humble. Maybe you were. Until you proclaimed it.
Because of progressive sanctification. This doesn't excuse the issue though. If a person doesn't even believe it possible (to even go a day without sin) then we've missed the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness.
In discussing this I've had people grant me this answer. "Theoretically, yes." At least they granted the possibility. Yet to state emphatically that its not possible, it puts into question the whole nature of our rebirth.
In discussing this I've had people grant me this answer. "Theoretically, yes." At least they granted the possibility. Yet to state emphatically that its not possible, it puts into question the whole nature of our rebirth.
Believers are VERY different from non believers when it comes to sin. Non believers, for the most part, do not feel sorrow for the sin they commit whereas believers feel Godly sorrow when they have sinned. It's a HEART issue.
To the degree that a believer renews his mind to the word of God is the degree to how he will reign in his flesh and walk by the Spirit instead. The flesh and the spirit of a believer are at constant conflict against each other . . . from the believers spirit the will to do good is present but from the flesh is no good thing! That is why we are told to put off the old man (the flesh, carnal) and put on the new man (spirit) - it is a learning process and a habitual process. As sad as it may be, there are carnal Christians which would amount to being equal in conduct to a non believer but doesn't change their status as sons of God.
Our identity in Christ is the inner man, the new man created in righteousness and true holiness, renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created the inner man. It is our responsibility to bring our thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ.
We are made whole by the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ which dwell in us through the gift of holy spirit. We are delivered from the DOMINION of sin - the rule or sovereignty of sin over us but we are still in the flesh - just because we have received the spirit does not mean we are made perfect in the flesh . . . . and we are delivered from the wages of sin - death for we have the promise of the resurrection, our hope.
A believer will be delivered from sin's dominion to the degree that he puts on the new man and puts off the old man. To the degree that he chooses to walk by the Spirit (the new man) and not by the flesh (the old man) - this is sometimes a struggle but it can be done. How often or how long? Depends on the individual believer . . . but perfection will not be obtained until we are released from this body of death.
To the degree that a believer renews his mind to the word of God is the degree to how he will reign in his flesh and walk by the Spirit instead. The flesh and the spirit of a believer are at constant conflict against each other . . . from the believers spirit the will to do good is present but from the flesh is no good thing! That is why we are told to put off the old man (the flesh, carnal) and put on the new man (spirit) - it is a learning process and a habitual process. As sad as it may be, there are carnal Christians which would amount to being equal in conduct to a non believer but doesn't change their status as sons of God.
Our identity in Christ is the inner man, the new man created in righteousness and true holiness, renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created the inner man. It is our responsibility to bring our thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ.
We are made whole by the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ which dwell in us through the gift of holy spirit. We are delivered from the DOMINION of sin - the rule or sovereignty of sin over us but we are still in the flesh - just because we have received the spirit does not mean we are made perfect in the flesh . . . . and we are delivered from the wages of sin - death for we have the promise of the resurrection, our hope.
A believer will be delivered from sin's dominion to the degree that he puts on the new man and puts off the old man. To the degree that he chooses to walk by the Spirit (the new man) and not by the flesh (the old man) - this is sometimes a struggle but it can be done. How often or how long? Depends on the individual believer . . . but perfection will not be obtained until we are released from this body of death.
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Really? The guy insults my dad and you think this is a teaching moment? To him, it really does have everything to do with him. Not God. Not others. Not understanding. Not even interacting. It's always about him.
He just was thrilled to learn Dad has Alzheimer. Excuse me for taking this personally. That's my DAD!
He just was thrilled to learn Dad has Alzheimer. Excuse me for taking this personally. That's my DAD!
Yes, a life that is under grace and sin not having dominion over you. Hence, being born-again does have an effect on our conduct. How can you possibly say that its impossible to go a day without sinning, when we are continually admonished to walk in righteousness? I get that you can argue that its a daily struggle, but the fact of the matter is that scripture speaks plainly on this. It is a possibility. Not only that, but at some point in our walk, it should be the norm.
I just find it odd that we preach the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness, and sets us free from sin but then say that we sin daily, all the time, and there isn't but a moment that we haven't sinned.
I just find it odd that we preach the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness, and sets us free from sin but then say that we sin daily, all the time, and there isn't but a moment that we haven't sinned.
Emotions are part of who we are and define how we are doing in life as far as
we can tell.
Sin in my view are actions, definable actions, in thought, word and deed which lead to
judgement. For instance coveting is looking at an object with a particular aim in mind,
to make it yours when it is owned by someone else.
And our attitude to everything is very much wrapped up in love, how we feel towards
God and those around us. Hatred is very much an emotional reaction to pain and loss,
so to exclude emotions from the interplay is to exclude life itself.
Now how do we define what is a Holy, righteous people, pure and cleansed is an important
question, and just feeling like that is where we are does not define it as being true.
But equally disowning ourselves of what Christ has purchased for us, and condemning ourselves
over things that are not sinful or spiritual, is equally not good.
This is why I am keen on exploring the language and reference points, to understand what Paul
means and how it is expressed. For instance to say one should have no hint of sexual immorality
or impurity is an important issue. This says being clean is not enough, we are called to make sure
we stand for what we are, as a light blazing out in a lost world.
we can tell.
Sin in my view are actions, definable actions, in thought, word and deed which lead to
judgement. For instance coveting is looking at an object with a particular aim in mind,
to make it yours when it is owned by someone else.
And our attitude to everything is very much wrapped up in love, how we feel towards
God and those around us. Hatred is very much an emotional reaction to pain and loss,
so to exclude emotions from the interplay is to exclude life itself.
Now how do we define what is a Holy, righteous people, pure and cleansed is an important
question, and just feeling like that is where we are does not define it as being true.
But equally disowning ourselves of what Christ has purchased for us, and condemning ourselves
over things that are not sinful or spiritual, is equally not good.
This is why I am keen on exploring the language and reference points, to understand what Paul
means and how it is expressed. For instance to say one should have no hint of sexual immorality
or impurity is an important issue. This says being clean is not enough, we are called to make sure
we stand for what we are, as a light blazing out in a lost world.
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Progressive sanctification is not for the flesh. The flesh gets worse and worse.
What the question really should be is this," How long can a believer walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit before he grieves or quenches the Spirit?"
Our new creation in Christ is perfect, but it is a baby at salvation and we need to feed it(his mind.) And the new creation in Christ progressively fills with His knowledge and his Good works and is being conformed to His image.
And Ben, this is where 1 John 1:9 comes in. I believe your not thinking right with 1 John 1:9. The sins that are known to us, and we do them, we need to name and site them to God to get back in fellowship(Walking and filled with the Spirit again.)
If we confess our sins(our known sins)He is faithful and just to forgive(bring us back into fellowship with Him) us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness(all of our unknown sin[fear,guilt,worry,not doing the good we should have and evil or human good])
What the question really should be is this," How long can a believer walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit before he grieves or quenches the Spirit?"
Our new creation in Christ is perfect, but it is a baby at salvation and we need to feed it(his mind.) And the new creation in Christ progressively fills with His knowledge and his Good works and is being conformed to His image.
And Ben, this is where 1 John 1:9 comes in. I believe your not thinking right with 1 John 1:9. The sins that are known to us, and we do them, we need to name and site them to God to get back in fellowship(Walking and filled with the Spirit again.)
If we confess our sins(our known sins)He is faithful and just to forgive(bring us back into fellowship with Him) us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness(all of our unknown sin[fear,guilt,worry,not doing the good we should have and evil or human good])
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The more I grow in Christ, the more I see things I did not think were sins, that are. and the more I see things I thought I was not doing, but am.
I think if we say we go a day with out sin is not saying it is ok to sin, like the religious like to throw at us, But a reality, That I may not think I have sinned today, But I will not come right out and say it, for I may be a liar, saying I did not sin, when I did,not to mention, I am now boasting of my sinlessness,, which in and of itself, is a sin.
Yes it means that sin no longer has dominion over us, is no longer a total despot. But though we are born again, its root remains in our fallen nature, and it constantly drags us down,
Because 'walking in righteousness' and 'NOT SINNING' are two different things. Walking in righteousness means that we walk free from KNOWN SIN, not from all sin. For example Lot was 'righteous' (2 Peter 2.7), but he was still gripped by sin,
If you refer to known sin it is possible. But which of us ever loves God WHOLLY?
Denying ungodliness refers to known sin. It refers to an attitude toward sin. He sets us free from KNOWN sin. But underneath we are constant sinners, by our very attitude and lack of love towards God.
Because 'walking in righteousness' and 'NOT SINNING' are two different things. Walking in righteousness means that we walk free from KNOWN SIN, not from all sin. For example Lot was 'righteous' (2 Peter 2.7), but he was still gripped by sin,
If you refer to known sin it is possible. But which of us ever loves God WHOLLY?
Denying ungodliness refers to known sin. It refers to an attitude toward sin. He sets us free from KNOWN sin. But underneath we are constant sinners, by our very attitude and lack of love towards God.
To covet is to see something someone else has and WANT to have or possess the same . . . For example - I see someone with a nice camper (which I have really wanted) and all types of "sin" come into play - envy, jealousy, covetousness . . . I know for I have been there more than once! Anyway, my heavenly Father placed a pop up camper in our reach and we have it now - do I still find myself "coveting" a passing camper? If I don't watch it - yea, the thought crosses my mind but I replace it with thoughts of my little pop up that came from God!!!
When we are afar off from Christ, it is easy to see the mechanics of spiritual resolution and
feel it in ones heart. What is harder is to find issues that are stubborn and take work.
Often our daily interactions have a wrong assumption or attitude under them, which will lead
to sin, but are just an issue waiting to go wrong.
There is a real fear from some, to have a sense of progress is about justification rather than
seeing the work done by the Lord in our hearts. I remember when dealing with a difficult person,
presumptious, domineering, ordering, arrogant was not a problem for a few hours, until finally I
snapped, and put them back where they should have been. As I have grown, this has become
easier, and I am more able to take the hits, and just carry on.
But this is not self righteousness, it is showing love and bearing each others burdens. Peoples
personalities vary, and some traits are innocent parts of who they are. Letting love lead us
through is not easy, especially when we think we have it sussed, and we clearly have a long way
to go.
This is what I see as our walk, the learning to see people as Christ does, and despite issues, to
still love and overcome difficulties. If we cannot do this through the cross, then how can we say
Christ is on the throne, and we are laying down our lives for each other. It soon becomes idealistic
language that never becomes fulfilled.
feel it in ones heart. What is harder is to find issues that are stubborn and take work.
Often our daily interactions have a wrong assumption or attitude under them, which will lead
to sin, but are just an issue waiting to go wrong.
There is a real fear from some, to have a sense of progress is about justification rather than
seeing the work done by the Lord in our hearts. I remember when dealing with a difficult person,
presumptious, domineering, ordering, arrogant was not a problem for a few hours, until finally I
snapped, and put them back where they should have been. As I have grown, this has become
easier, and I am more able to take the hits, and just carry on.
But this is not self righteousness, it is showing love and bearing each others burdens. Peoples
personalities vary, and some traits are innocent parts of who they are. Letting love lead us
through is not easy, especially when we think we have it sussed, and we clearly have a long way
to go.
This is what I see as our walk, the learning to see people as Christ does, and despite issues, to
still love and overcome difficulties. If we cannot do this through the cross, then how can we say
Christ is on the throne, and we are laying down our lives for each other. It soon becomes idealistic
language that never becomes fulfilled.