How long can a Christian go without sinning?
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I guess thats what I am kind of getting at. Talk is cheap. Are we new creations? Are we dead to sin? Do we use our members for righteousness and not the lusts of the flesh that was crucified? If we sin daily, are we really set free from sin's dominion and walking in the reality of Romans 6?
I am not espousing sinless perfectionism, but am simply asking why we think it is impossible to go any period of time walking in righteousness (without sin)? I suppose in some ways its a moot point, because our focus should rather be on God and His purpose for our lives as opposed to being fixated on sin. Yet, still, for one to answer the question of whether a believer can choose to not sin for a day with a "no" it seems to be contradictory to all that was accomplished by Jesus and through our faith in Him.
I am not espousing sinless perfectionism, but am simply asking why we think it is impossible to go any period of time walking in righteousness (without sin)? I suppose in some ways its a moot point, because our focus should rather be on God and His purpose for our lives as opposed to being fixated on sin. Yet, still, for one to answer the question of whether a believer can choose to not sin for a day with a "no" it seems to be contradictory to all that was accomplished by Jesus and through our faith in Him.
I wonder, as people seem to have a sense of sin being all pervasive, could they
right down their "sins" on a list after 1 hour.
Then they should see what God says about each one, and why it is sinful and how
it is sinful.
Now if we have an appropriate view towards work, friends, neighbours and enemies,
it is pretty hard to sin. I mean you need to actually put work into it.
If ones view in inappropriate, it is very easy to sin, and think inappropriate thoughts,
because the whole context and Godly view is missing, only the self and the worlds
perspectives.
So where is the problem? Is the sin or is the view of the world one is living with
the problem?
Let me suggest I have a right to everything I own and everything I can grab through
any means, with no regard to the hurt or damage I do to outsiders, only to the
benefit of those I love. Then a massive amount of sin is my right and automatic
go to position, whether I am a "christian" or not.
If we truly love people and see the benefit things can be to them, then we are looking
for ways to help and enhance where they are rather than tear it down.
right down their "sins" on a list after 1 hour.
Then they should see what God says about each one, and why it is sinful and how
it is sinful.
Now if we have an appropriate view towards work, friends, neighbours and enemies,
it is pretty hard to sin. I mean you need to actually put work into it.
If ones view in inappropriate, it is very easy to sin, and think inappropriate thoughts,
because the whole context and Godly view is missing, only the self and the worlds
perspectives.
So where is the problem? Is the sin or is the view of the world one is living with
the problem?
Let me suggest I have a right to everything I own and everything I can grab through
any means, with no regard to the hurt or damage I do to outsiders, only to the
benefit of those I love. Then a massive amount of sin is my right and automatic
go to position, whether I am a "christian" or not.
If we truly love people and see the benefit things can be to them, then we are looking
for ways to help and enhance where they are rather than tear it down.
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sadly, we have people who have watered down the law. so they can appear to themselves as being sinless. or "pure" or "Holy" that they can not see these things,
I think that is the point of this, Do we ignore sins, Hide sins, and say we are ok, I went 24 hours with no sin, I am holy.. Or do we focus on loving others. If people ask us if we can go sinless, say the truth I would not boast of that. And move on..
Something to consider, as strange as it may seem in light of what is written in scripture, we are not given at salvation the supernatural ability to live a sinless life. If we were, we would. We are given this treasure in earthen vessels. When I was first saved I made up my mind not to sin, ever, after a rather short time I found that I simply did not have the ability to live a sinless life. We are told that IF we follow the Spirit we will not fulfill the desires of our flesh nature. So the question is, do we have the ability to always follow the Spirit? In this area we are all different, theoretically we should, however in reality most of us do not. Knowing myself, I do not believe I have ever had the ability to always follow the Spirit, maybe someone else has that ability, I don't think that I know of any.
I think he was meaning he acknowledges his fallen nature of the flesh but I would bet he would be real quick to point his trust back at Jesus.
Or maybe its to bring attention to the ones claiming to be saved but their sin has no feeling of sorrow or wrong doing. After all the teachings are in place to bring our attention to our wrong doing and our need to love and have faith in Jesus.
Or maybe its to bring attention to the ones claiming to be saved but their sin has no feeling of sorrow or wrong doing. After all the teachings are in place to bring our attention to our wrong doing and our need to love and have faith in Jesus.
I've already addressed the focus issue of this, its simply just an interesting discussion. Its not like I am like, "Okay, lets see if I can stop getting angry for six months" and then try to attempt that. If I notice that I am falling short in some area, I can simply bring it before the Father and ask the Lord to help me. To sanctify me. I don't think we need to strive in the flesh, but need to do this with a spiritual solution instead of simply so called practical steps.
when we are far from Christ we do NOT see the mechanics of spiritual resolution, nor do we feel it in our hearts. We see our own fleshly resolutions, and feel them. When issues are 'stubborn and take work' it is precisely because we are far from Christ.
And therefore we sin
LOL you will have to clarify. True Christians should always have a sense of justification in their heart (Rom 5.9). That then, as a result of rebirth, produces the work done by our Lord in our hearts,
so you sinned?
But you still sin
It becomes self righteousness when you congratulate yourself on it.
therefore every moment we need saving from ourselves and from sin.
It is never wholly fulfilled. we are too weak. we never wholly give up the throne.
And therefore we sin
LOL you will have to clarify. True Christians should always have a sense of justification in their heart (Rom 5.9). That then, as a result of rebirth, produces the work done by our Lord in our hearts,
so you sinned?
But you still sin
It becomes self righteousness when you congratulate yourself on it.
therefore every moment we need saving from ourselves and from sin.
It is never wholly fulfilled. we are too weak. we never wholly give up the throne.
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