How long can a Christian go without sinning?
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Jas 1:21 Therefore, rid yourselves of everything impure and every expression of wickedness, and with a gentle spirit welcome the word planted in you that can save your souls.
Jas 1:22 Keep on being obedient to the word, and not merely being hearers who deceive themselves.
Jas 1:23 For if anyone hears the word but is not obedient to it, he is like a man who looks at himself in a mirror
Jas 1:24 and studies himself carefully, and then goes off and immediately forgets what he looks like.
Jas 1:25 But the one who looks at the perfect law of freedom and remains committed to it—thereby demonstrating that he is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of what that law requires—will be blessed in what he does.
Jas 1:22 Keep on being obedient to the word, and not merely being hearers who deceive themselves.
Jas 1:23 For if anyone hears the word but is not obedient to it, he is like a man who looks at himself in a mirror
Jas 1:24 and studies himself carefully, and then goes off and immediately forgets what he looks like.
Jas 1:25 But the one who looks at the perfect law of freedom and remains committed to it—thereby demonstrating that he is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of what that law requires—will be blessed in what he does.
Christ righteousness is our goal, it is He we are following.
Followers who achieve righteousness, Amen, I hope they have.
Hunting pharisees and legalists who are identified by preaching righteousness
creates the impression you are against righteousness and to aspire for righteousness
is actually legalism.
I am all for identifying hypocracy and sin, failure to walk in Jesus's ways, but not for
anyone who does walk well. It is easy to become the enemy while claiming you are
the wise experienced teacher which is ironic.
Followers who achieve righteousness, Amen, I hope they have.
Hunting pharisees and legalists who are identified by preaching righteousness
creates the impression you are against righteousness and to aspire for righteousness
is actually legalism.
I am all for identifying hypocracy and sin, failure to walk in Jesus's ways, but not for
anyone who does walk well. It is easy to become the enemy while claiming you are
the wise experienced teacher which is ironic.
1. Thank you for posting this.
2. In the future, if I ask for something you feel you've already explained, please just copy/paste it as you did here.
3. I'll respond to this in a day or two when I have some time.
Quick Note:
- The theory you're espousing was originally called the Keswick Teaching, or Keswick Movement, and started back in the 1800s.
- I believe there are some good things to be learned from it... and Christians do need to have a deeper and closer walk with God, and develop a real understanding of what it means to "abide" in Christ.
- But I believe this particular view of sin is not a blblical view... and it requires a much more thorough discussion of both sin and the holy spirit, to get to the bottom of it all.
I posted that scripture in James only because I see his point in forgetting who and what we are. But, when he says to rid ourselves...that becomes law...
I stick to Paul.
When reading Peter...he says to add things to what we already have...not in a lawful way. There is our downfall...we still think like...we must do this. He is showing what is good...these things...I think virtue was one of them...are good. But only grace will supply. The power of Holy Spirit who we now have ruling within. Walking out what we have.
All that we need for godliness...we already have been given. Believe it.
I stick to Paul.
When reading Peter...he says to add things to what we already have...not in a lawful way. There is our downfall...we still think like...we must do this. He is showing what is good...these things...I think virtue was one of them...are good. But only grace will supply. The power of Holy Spirit who we now have ruling within. Walking out what we have.
All that we need for godliness...we already have been given. Believe it.
we do discourage - those who do not understand righteousness by our standards
we do discourage - those who claim righteousness but not by our standards
It is interesting to me an admition of discouragement of people with various excuses.
So let us imagine the judgement of another is wrong, slightly off, and the person is
following God in full obedience and victory.
What will this discouragement actually be? Not of God, and a real attack on both their
walk with Christ and their understanding of who and what he desires of us.
And where is scripture or anywhere is such an example given? Nowhere.
We are told those who are evil will oppose us if we come preaching Christ and the light,
because their deeds are evil.
we do discourage - those who claim righteousness but not by our standards
It is interesting to me an admition of discouragement of people with various excuses.
So let us imagine the judgement of another is wrong, slightly off, and the person is
following God in full obedience and victory.
What will this discouragement actually be? Not of God, and a real attack on both their
walk with Christ and their understanding of who and what he desires of us.
And where is scripture or anywhere is such an example given? Nowhere.
We are told those who are evil will oppose us if we come preaching Christ and the light,
because their deeds are evil.
Amen...well said!
All works-based mindsets stumble at the truth that Christ alone is our righteousness. This is a major stumbling block of all D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindsets. It is NOT the gospel of the grace of Christ.
Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
An answer and experiment might look like this: Good thoughts...more good thoughts...good thoughts continue...still more...oops, one snuck in. Good thoughts...more good thoughts...an evil one almost got in there, I shut it out. Good thoughts....more good thoughts...good thoughts continue...continue...continue...continue...the more I think on what is right, lovely, good, wholesome, the more such thoughts emerge. The same is true with what we do. The more good we do in our lives, the less likely we will find ourselves engaging in sin.