Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

[garee]

also couldnt accept her husbands role

Husband’s role as a infallible interpreter?

Do you think sinful men are more qualified to teach then sinful woman?

If that was the case why are they pictured as pastors\ Sheppard’s of their own family, being saved from not having the authority to teach their own sons, or is that childbirth in respect to females that they can teach?

In raising my son whenever His mother would try and teach him and it became overwhelming, he would say to me; make her stop. I would suggest if he did not learn how to listen to women that he would get an extension of his mother when he married. Until we learn how to treat our equal in respect to the one that makes us a whole person it is what we can anticipate. He is learning having two daughter of his own.

The same applies to men if the daughters don’t learn how to listen to their fathers they will get an extension in their own husband.God desin for us so that we continue to walk by faith.

But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works .Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.For Adam was first formed, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1Ti 2:10

In the end of the matter to suggest only men are given the gospel and can teach it, only shows the method of operation for antichristsas those who think they need a man to teach us

One is our father in heaven one is our infallible teacher in heaven. Grow up in Chrst. Sounds like you had some bad experiences. Be careful not to throw out the women with the water of the word.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Depleted]

No women counsel only women. We have men counsel men.

It's how we have it setup and why I am not worried. We,have leaders who,meet the people before to,make sure they don't need real psychiatric help.

It's really for prayer and listening and developing a deeper relationship with God during times of heartache and loss.

Thanks for the warning. It sounds like something my blood brothers would tell me.

That was my mind set when I start taking classes to learn how to counsel. But here is the problem.

A woman comes to me for counsel. Not a problem. A woman comes to me for counsel about her marriage. Do I accept everything she says is wrong with her marriage, (much like people on the Family Forum do all the time), or do I hear from the husband too to get an accurate feel for what's really going on?

Seems reasonable to bring in the hubby too, right? And then, poof, I AM counseling a couple where I am not the head of that union. I've got no business telling that man what he should or shouldn't do in that marriage. That is absolutely up to men in authority -- not me.

The woman gave me authority to counsel her. The man should not! Nor will I take his authority away from him, even if maybe I should, because it's not my authority to do that. This IS God's authority, and God did NOT give me authority over another couple's marriage.

 

[Dino246]

You obviously either don't know God's Word very well, or you are a cherry picker who like to discount things God has said just because you don't like them... that's not going to end well for you!

Try focusing on the issues instead of insulting the person.

1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

The Greek words for "a man", "he" and "his" are not found in this passage; they are inserted to make the passage flow in English. The verses about being the husband of one wife make perfect sense in context, in which polygamy was more common than today. Those males who aspire to eldership, if married, may have only one wife.

1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve

Paul bases his viewpoint on creation. In v. 13 he says, "For Adam was first created, then Eve." In the least, this argument shows that Paul is not restricting his treatment to the church; it's a matter that is grounded in the constitutional differences between men and women, or at least in the order of authority that God had ordained. In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, could bring ruin.

1 Timothy 2:12 Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men.

Commentaries aren't scripture, period. As to what Paul wrote, it makes great sense if he is addressing a proto-gnostic heresy, and little sense otherwise. There simply is no logic to the idea that women should be silent because Adam was formed before Eve. Your concluding sentence is speculative at best.

... there, now get with God's program and quit following the wisdom of mankind being carnally minded on this subject dude man yo

More snarky, judgmental, ad hominem garbage. I suppose if you prefer to be ignored, you can continue this approach.

 

[Depleted]

Ok Ok, I going in sack and ashes! Please all Ladys forgive me!

Chocolate impresses us more.

 

[Ariel82]

Greek Concordance: ἀνδρὸς (andros) -- 16 Occurrences

1 Timothy 2:12 Greek Text Analysis

Well this is interesting.

It is singular "a man" not "men"

Also this Greek word is translated as "husband" in other places in the Bible.

.I will let you pray and come to your own conclusions.

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Luke 2:36 N-GMS
GRK: ζήσασα μετὰ ἀνδρὸς ἔτη ἑπτὰ
NAS: and had lived with [her] husband seven
KJV: with an husband seven
INT: having lived with a husband years seven

Luke 16:18 N-GMS
GRK: ἀπολελυμένην ἀπὸ ἀνδρὸς γαμῶν μοιχεύει
NAS: one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
KJV: from [her] husband committeth adultery.
INT: her put away from a husband marries commits adultery

1 Timothy 2:12 N-GMS
GRK: οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός ἀλλ' εἶναι
NAS: exercise authority over a man, but to remain
KJV: to usurp authority over the man, but
INT: nor to use authority over man but to be

1 Timothy 5:9 N-GMS
GRK: γεγονυῖα ἑνὸς ἀνδρὸς γυνή
NAS: of one man,
KJV: the wife of one man,
INT: being of one man wife

IT was never dutys from deacones to lead a church. And in 1.Tim. 3 is no hint of a female deacon. If so please show me the verse please.

I apologize, must have posted it in another thread let me find it again.

 

[Ariel82]

Interesting the different Bible translation of 1 Timothy 3 v 11


Weymouth New Testament
Deaconesses, in the same way, must be sober-minded women, not slanderers, but in every way temperate and trustworthy.

American Standard Version
Women in like manner must be grave, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.

Darby Bible Translation
[The] women in like manner grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

English Revised Version
Women in like manner must be grave, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.

And then we have others translate it as "wives"

 

[Ariel82]

1 Timothy 3:11 ►
Text Analysis
Strong's Transliteration Greek English Morphology
1135 [e] gynaikas γυναῖκας Women N-AFP
5615 [e] hōsautōs ὡσαύτως likewise Adv
4586 [e] semnas σεμνάς, [must be] dignified, Adj-AFP
3361 [e] mē μὴ not Adv
1228 [e] diabolous διαβόλους, slanderers, Adj-AFP
3524 [e] nēphalious νηφαλίους, clear-minded, Adj-AFP
4103 [e] pistas πιστὰς faithful Adj-AFP
1722 [e] en ἐν in Prep
3956 [e] pasin πᾶσιν. all things. Adj-DNP

1 Timothy 3:11 Greek Text Analysis

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

Husband’s role as a infallible interpreter?

Do you think sinful men are more qualified to teach then sinful woman?

If that was the case why are they pictured as pastors\ Sheppard’s of their own family, being saved from not having the authority to teach their own sons, or is that childbirth in respect to females that they can teach?

In raising my son whenever His mother would try and teach him and it became overwhelming, he would say to me; make her stop. I would suggest if he did not learn how to listen to women that he would get an extension of his mother when he married. Until we learn how to treat our equal in respect to the one that makes us a whole person it is what we can anticipate. He is learning having two daughter of his own.

The same applies to men if the daughters don’t learn how to listen to their fathers they will get an extension in their own husband.God desin for us so that we continue to walk by faith.

But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works .Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.For Adam was first formed, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1Ti 2:10

In the end of the matter to suggest only men are given the gospel and can teach it, only shows the method of operation for antichristsas those who think they need a man to teach us

One is our father in heaven one is our infallible teacher in heaven. Grow up in Chrst. Sounds like you had some bad experiences. Be careful not to throw out the women with the water of the word.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

only read the first line lol but no

husbands biblical role

 

[Ariel82]

STRONGS NT 1135: γυνή

γυνή, γυναικός, ἡ;
1. universally, a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow: Matthew 9:20; Matthew 13:33; Matthew 27:55; Luke 13:11; Acts 5:14, etc.; ἡ μεμνηστευμένῃ τίνι γυνή, Luke 2:5 R G; ἡ ὕπανδρος γυνή, Romans 7:2; γυνή χήρα, Luke 4:26 (1 Kings 7:2 (); ;feminavidua, Nepos, praef. 4). 2. a wife: 1 Corinthians 7:3f, 10, 18; Ephesians 5:22, etc.; γυνή τίνος, Matthew 5:31; Matthew 19:3, 5; Acts 5:1, 7; 1 Corinthians 7:2; Ephesians 5:28; Revelation 2:20 (G L WH marginal reading), etc. of a betrothed woman: Matthew 1:20, 24. ἡ γυνή τοῦ πατρός his step-mother: 1 Corinthians 5:1 (אָב אֵשֶׁת, Leviticus 18:8). ἔχειν γυναῖκα: Matthew 14:4; Matthew 22:28; Mark 6:18; Mark 12:23; Luke 20:33; see ἔχω, I. 2 b. at the end γύναι, as a form of address, may be used — either in indignation, Luke 22:57; or in admiration, Matthew 15:28; or in kindness and favor, Luke 13:12; John 4:21; or in respect, John 2:4; John 19:26 (as in Homer, Iliad 3, 204; Odyssey 19, 221; Josephus, Antiquities 1, 16, 3).

Strong's Greek: 1135. γυνή (guné) -- a woman

 

[Ariel82]

Maybe I didn't mention it and only thought to post the differnet denominational stances on women in the pulpit?

 

[Depleted]

Churches back then aren't like churches today.

Deacons and deaconess were in leadership over the church.

I can see where people would assume that Priscilla was either an evangelist and/or a deaconess. Most people are okay with women in those roles.

The question would be in those roles did she ever hold spiritual authority over men?

How do male pastors hold spiritual authority over their congregation?

Stephen was the example of what a deacon was back then. (Gee, bet you could guess that by the name of the ministry you are joining. lol) What did Steven do? He fed and cared for the widows and children. He was the one charged with making sure everyone ate, and everyone had a place to sleep, especially those who had no family to take care of them.

That really does call for authority. ("Yo! Stop stealing their food!" "You're old enough and healthy enough to work, so work.") BUT it doesn't say a thing about him teaching or counseling. I imagine he would listen because these were people in need, and he probably did have a thing or two to say back, but his authority was feeding and caring for them -- not teaching and counseling.

Everyone of us teaches and counsels somewhere along the line. Authority to do so? A whole different level. Would you want someone who wasn't taught how to teach or someone not trained in the subject matter as your child's teacher?

No different with pastors. (Or, it shouldn't be. I have been in churches where the pastors came from every walk of life, but a degree. I wasted a lot of time I could have used to learn in those churches too.)

 

[trofimus]

"Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. Women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things. Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus."
NASB

From the flow of the text its quite clear that "women" are the wives of the deacons, because the whole block of the text is about male deacons.

But still, no mention of the leadership for deacons.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

only read the first line lol but no

husbands biblical role

*edit*

read a bit more
we dont know the whole story
her husbands a liar true

and she seems like a jezebel

 

[Depleted]

If I were a man no one would question if I was called to any ministry in the church.

I am not walking the fence, I am trying to see where God places the fence versus where the world says it goes.

In some Muslim countries women aren't allowed education,wear burkas, and must walk a foot behind a man or they can be talked without punishment because they are disobedient and promiscuously tempting men.

I meet a woman who told me she was raped, reported it to,the police and was raped at the police station then tossed out.

So you can have folks claiming to speak for God, when they are just speaking from man made traditions.

Actually, I haven't believed some men when they say they were called to a specific ministry. (I can even say that about one man on this thread. ) And, I don't see anyone saying women aren't called to any ministries. I see some (including me) saying they're not called to pastoring and teaching depends on who. A lot different than what you are claiming people are saying.

Also, we're not Muslims! Don't go using the feminist card unless it's not the joker.

I think you could be a good facilitator, if you stop taking everything so personally. If you're going into counseling, I can guarantee the hurting person will try to make it personal and all about you. It's what happens when a truth they don't want to hear is heard.

If someone asks a question, I'm going to answer honestly. If you don't want honest answers, then don't ask.

 

[Depleted]

I would also like to see proof that deacons/deaconess were in church's leadership.

I know only about apostles, bishops and presbyters.

Stephen is the proof! You can't go around making sure widows and children are taken care of without the authority to swat away any ole idiot that wants more so would steal from the windows and children.

That's leadership of a different sort -- higher than just a presbyter. Lower than apostles, bishops, and evangelist.

 

[Depleted]

Maybe I didn't mention it and only thought to post the different denominational stances on women in the pulpit?

Why? Are you planning on changing denominations?

 

[trofimus]

Stephen is the proof! You can't go around making sure widows and children are taken care of without the authority to swat away any ole idiot that wants more so would steal from the windows and children.

That's leadership of a different sort -- higher than just a presbyter. Lower than apostles, bishops, and evangelist.

I am afraid that our definitions of leadership are different.

Somebody who is doing charity and helps widows etc is not a leader of the church.

In such case woman would be leader of the family because she does shopping for food or something like that, you know.

Why do you think that presbyter was lower in the church's hierarchy than deacon?

 

[Depleted]

"Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain, but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach. Women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things. Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households. For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus."
NASB

From the flow of the text its quite clear that "women" are the wives of the deacons, because the whole block of the text is about male deacons.

But still, no mention of the leadership for deacons.

Our old church had the ministry to feed the neighborhood. Potluck dinners once a month, and bring a friend or ask a neighbor. Hubby has the gift to feed multitudes. I have the gift to serve/clean up. I think that's deacon and deaconess -- serving. And, honestly? If someone decided to have a food fight or to throw their liver in the middle of the room, (nothing against throwing liver away, but not like you have to take it in the first place, lol), I would most certainly authoritatively tell that person to knock it off! There is that side of serving, although, like my job as Assistant Maintenance Manager, rarely required. It is a leadership role, just not high up on the command structure. More like a Lieutenant in the Navy versus Private. Definitely not Captain, Commander, or Admiral.

 

[JaimeMartinez26]

*edit*

read a bit more
we dont know the whole story
her husbands a liar true

and she seems like a jezebel

hes a liar because he said she never acted a certain way thats out of line

right before she admits hes lying

and she may be a jezebel not for sexually immoral stuff i dunno

but her false teachings btw.... that spirit takes a few forms in scripture

 

[trofimus]

Our old church had the ministry to feed the neighborhood. Potluck dinners once a month, and bring a friend or ask a neighbor. Hubby has the gift to feed multitudes. I have the gift to serve/clean up. I think that's deacon and deaconess -- serving. And, honestly? If someone decided to have a food fight or to throw their liver in the middle of the room, (nothing against throwing liver away, but not like you have to take it in the first place, lol), I would most certainly authoritatively tell that person to knock it off! There is that side of serving, although, like my job as Assistant Maintenance Manager, rarely required. It is a leadership role, just not high up on the command structure. More like a Lieutenant in the Navy versus Private. Definitely not Captain, Commander, or Admiral.

I understand what you are saying, we all are "small leaders" in our surroundings like, for example, I am now commanding the keyboard to type the right letters

But it is not the official position of the church's leadership. The leading of the church as such.