Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?

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I understand what you are saying, we all are "small leaders" in our surroundings like, for example, I am now commanding the keyboard to type the right letters :)

But it is not the official position of the church's leadership. The leading of the church as such.
Right. Authority is given over the ministry, but not over the church. I can't go tell Stephen that he should do it my way, because he was given that authority, not me.
 
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...but! He can tell me that Tent #6 needs more blankets, so get to it, and I should get to it.
 
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Ariel82

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I am afraid that our definitions of leadership are different.

Somebody who is doing charity and helps widows etc is not a leader of the church.

In such case woman would be leader of the family because she does shopping for food or something like that, you know.

Why do you think that presbyter was lower in the church's hierarchy than deacon?
Some translate that presbyter as elder not pastor.
 
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Why? Are you planning on changing denominations?
No I just like knowing who might yell at me in the future,

Though this might be God's way of pushing me to study deeper.
 
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That was my mind set when I start taking classes to learn how to counsel. But here is the problem.

A woman comes to me for counsel. Not a problem. A woman comes to me for counsel about her marriage. Do I accept everything she says is wrong with her marriage, (much like people on the Family Forum do all the time), or do I hear from the husband too to get an accurate feel for what's really going on?

Seems reasonable to bring in the hubby too, right? And then, poof, I AM counseling a couple where I am not the head of that union. I've got no business telling that man what he should or shouldn't do in that marriage. That is absolutely up to men in authority -- not me.

The woman gave me authority to counsel her. The man should not! Nor will I take his authority away from him, even if maybe I should, because it's not my authority to do that. This IS God's authority, and God did NOT give me authority over another couple's marriage.
Why would you meet with the husband?
 
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Actually, I haven't believed some men when they say they were called to a specific ministry. (I can even say that about one man on this thread. :rolleyes:) And, I don't see anyone saying women aren't called to any ministries. I see some (including me) saying they're not called to pastoring and teaching depends on who. A lot different than what you are claiming people are saying.

Also, we're not Muslims! Don't go using the feminist card unless it's not the joker.

I think you could be a good facilitator, if you stop taking everything so personally. If you're going into counseling, I can guarantee the hurting person will try to make it personal and all about you. It's what happens when a truth they don't want to hear is heard.

If someone asks a question, I'm going to answer honestly. If you don't want honest answers, then don't ask.
I believe you misread my post.

Too tired to correct.
.just that everyone has been really supportive and I was giving him a hyperbole based off the video he posted.

I could see the host making his wife wear a burka and walk 10 steps behind him.

As I state everyone here has been wonderful and I don't plan on doing anything unless I am sure that is what God wants me to do.

Truthfully I just want to help people and God will show me how best to do that.
 
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Some translate that presbyter as elder not pastor.
Presbyter is a word, just not used much in English anymore... unless you're Presbyterian. It means group, usually translates to "church." In American, it's translated into pew-sitters. (Congregation sounds nicer, but pew-sitters is how we roll. lol)
 
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No I just like knowing who might yell at me in the future,

Though this might be God's way of pushing me to study deeper.
Oh, I can tell you that.

Mostly reformed people. We're very straight-laced when it comes to Bible understanding. Of course, Angela is reformed too, so even that's not a guarantee.

You might get some nondenoms doing the same thing, but only because you never know which group of people are going to create their own church and come up with their own standards. Given you're Methodist, (with Baptist in the mix, but Baptists are across the board on beliefs depending on which synod), it is unlikely you will get hit often with "women shouldn't teach" stuff. I'm assuming Stephen's Ministry is within your group of believers, so that's the kind of people who will come to you.

So, then the only time someone is going to get peeved when you counsel is when you run into the husband of a woman who has been beaten down with Me-Man; You-lowly-woman crap some turn God's word to fit their demands.

It's kind of like the problem hubby had when he was in the hospital. They offered him two different chaplains. One was a Catholic priest and the other one was "Z. All of the above." He needed someone who shared his beliefs, or it wasn't going to help.

The people that will come to you will come because they share your beliefs. If they don't, they walk away.
 
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JaimeMartinez26

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after 14 pages of open discussion


i think what,we can conclude for sure


is women like to argue and men are tolerant.......











and better
 
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JaimeMartinez26

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after 14 pages of open discussion


i think what,we can conclude for sure


is women like to argue and men are tolerant.......











and better


lol sorry i dont mean that x'D


what have i done:eek:







i say it with love
 
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Why would you meet with the husband?
Read most of the "my husband/wife is a scumbag, and I am to be pitied enough that I need you to tell me it's okay to divorce him/her" threads in the Family Forum. You hear the whole sob story from one side, but not the other. Usually, the reality isn't either side. It's in the middle.

I knew a woman who could honestly tell you that she was regularly beaten by her husband. And her children would stay away from home as much as possible. Doesn't that sound so sad? What was the poor woman to do?

The reality was the second the husband or children came home, she'd lay in on them -- screaming, carrying on, slapping them, even pulling out a wire coat hanger, lining up the kids, and beating then until they were black and blue. Why? Does it matter? They had just gotten home from school so didn't even have time to misbehave.

And the husband? In his ear screaming at him, name calling, slapping him, belittling him, etc., until he snapped and slugged her. When she hit the floor, he grabbed his coat and headed to the bar.

And yet, if you met her, she seemed like this quiet little woman who had been dumped on her whole life, courageously keeping on, going to church, taking good care of her kids, and then running off to be a nurse in a hospital.

What would you do for that quiet little lady? And what would you do for that beast? Without the husband, you don't know if you have quiet little woman or beast.
 
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I believe you misread my post.

Too tired to correct.
.just that everyone has been really supportive and I was giving him a hyperbole based off the video he posted.

I could see the host making his wife wear a burka and walk 10 steps behind him.

As I state everyone here has been wonderful and I don't plan on doing anything unless I am sure that is what God wants me to do.

Truthfully I just want to help people and God will show me how best to do that.
Ohhh, okay. Didn't see the video. Sorry, can't spot hyperbole without seeing the set up for it. lol
 

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Read most of the "my husband/wife is a scumbag, and I am to be pitied enough that I need you to tell me it's okay to divorce him/her" threads in the Family Forum. You hear the whole sob story from one side, but not the other. Usually, the reality isn't either side. It's in the middle.

I knew a woman who could honestly tell you that she was regularly beaten by her husband. And her children would stay away from home as much as possible. Doesn't that sound so sad? What was the poor woman to do?

The reality was the second the husband or children came home, she'd lay in on them -- screaming, carrying on, slapping them, even pulling out a wire coat hanger, lining up the kids, and beating then until they were black and blue. Why? Does it matter? They had just gotten home from school so didn't even have time to misbehave.

And the husband? In his ear screaming at him, name calling, slapping him, belittling him, etc., until he snapped and slugged her. When she hit the floor, he grabbed his coat and headed to the bar.

And yet, if you met her, she seemed like this quiet little woman who had been dumped on her whole life, courageously keeping on, going to church, taking good care of her kids, and then running off to be a nurse in a hospital.

What would you do for that quiet little lady? And what would you do for that beast? Without the husband, you don't know if you have quiet little woman or beast.
This should be written in gold as a sticky in the family forum :)
 
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JaimeMartinez26

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is preaching different than teaching?
 

trofimus

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is preaching different than teaching?
I looked at Greek:

2Tm 1:11
"...for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher..."
"...εἰς ὃ ἐτέθην ἐγὼ κήρυξ καὶ ἀπόστολος καὶ διδάσκαλος..."

Preacher:
κήρυξ (from 2784 /kērýssō, "to herald, proclaim") – properly, a herald, a "town-crier" proclaiming critical news for the public (see also 1557 /ekdíkēsis, "the town-gathering"); a preacher (a herald-communicator).

Teacher:
διδάσκαλος (a masculine noun derived from 1321 /didáskō, "to teach") – a teacher, an instructor acknowledged for their mastery in their field of learning; in Scripture, a Bible teacher, competent in theology.

So, preacher is publicly proclaiming basic truths and teacher will explain you privately more :)
 
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Biblically has God ever used a woman to teach men His truths?
For those interested you should find This short study helpful...

Hint: male chauvinists don't like the truth on this subject! :p