Born Again Vs. Saved
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Greek word is “sozo”
“to save”
This Greek word has more than one meaning, as do many Greek words. The primary use of this word in the NT is of material and temporal deliverance from danger, suffering, from sickness, to be made whole.
The secondary use of this word is of the spiritual and eternal salvation granted immediately by God to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is also used to mean protected.
Jesus says in John chapter 3 that “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” We see here that there is only one requirement to see the kingdom of God and that is to be born again. The question here is how many of us see the kingdom of God?
Jesus then goes on to say in John chapter 3 “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” This says to me that one must be born of the flesh and of the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. Which leads me to think that there are some who are not born of the flesh (think about that one), and some who are not born of the Spirit. If that is not the case why would Jesus have made such a statement. That’s my understanding.
Greek word is “sozo”
“to save”
This Greek word has more than one meaning, as do many Greek words. The primary use of this word in the NT is of material and temporal deliverance from danger, suffering, from sickness, to be made whole.
The secondary use of this word is of the spiritual and eternal salvation granted immediately by God to those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is also used to mean protected.
Jesus says in John chapter 3 that “unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” We see here that there is only one requirement to see the kingdom of God and that is to be born again. The question here is how many of us see the kingdom of God?
Jesus then goes on to say in John chapter 3 “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” This says to me that one must be born of the flesh and of the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. Which leads me to think that there are some who are not born of the flesh (think about that one), and some who are not born of the Spirit. If that is not the case why would Jesus have made such a statement. That’s my understanding.
If you look in the NT you will find such declarations as the confession of Jesus Christ before men is the spirit of prophecy, and no man comes to Jesus Christ unless he is drawn by the Father....of course when the Father interacts in such a way it is His Holy Spirit doing the drawing. Also i no man can know Jesus Christ is Lord unless it isof the Holy Spirit.
It is certain there are many more teachings I am not drawing upon at the moment but reading the Word will verify what I have shared is true.
God bless all in Jesus Christ..
It is certain there are many more teachings I am not drawing upon at the moment but reading the Word will verify what I have shared is true.
God bless all in Jesus Christ..
Ezekiel 36:26-27
[FONT="]26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.[/FONT]
You look at the scripture the way I do, with questions like why and what does that mean.
I can see the kingdom of God , in fact I see it every where... it's on the news, it's in movies, it's in secular music, like I said it's every where. I'm not sure what it means to be born of water and of spirit. I don't think its the mainline belief though - water is physical and spirit is a new spirit in us. I think the water represents immersion in the word (John's baptism) and the spirit is the Christ in us.... this is not something I am dogmatic on though.
I like what you said about "some who are not born of the flesh", I see where you're coming from and I agree. Thanks for commenting... you're a breath of fresh air!
I can see the kingdom of God , in fact I see it every where... it's on the news, it's in movies, it's in secular music, like I said it's every where. I'm not sure what it means to be born of water and of spirit. I don't think its the mainline belief though - water is physical and spirit is a new spirit in us. I think the water represents immersion in the word (John's baptism) and the spirit is the Christ in us.... this is not something I am dogmatic on though.
I like what you said about "some who are not born of the flesh", I see where you're coming from and I agree. Thanks for commenting... you're a breath of fresh air!
Is that spirit the inner man, Christ is us or is it the Holy Ghost? I'm asking because I'm not sure. I can only speak from my life experiences right now. I was saved 25 years ago but I couldn't see the kingdom of God until about 7 or 8 years ago which was the same time I entered into it also.
Good verse thanks! Also I think those verses are prophecy of the few Jews that accepted Christ when he came.... the old covenant between God and the Jews was over.
Good verse thanks! Also I think those verses are prophecy of the few Jews that accepted Christ when he came.... the old covenant between God and the Jews was over.
James 1:8 is a good one... thanks. God gave us his word so that we can become born again through it.
1 Peter 1:3 is a bad translation, Greek and KJV say begotten us again.
I will check out John 1: 12-13.
I'm just giving my opions if you disagree, no problem and regardless I do appreciate the work you did to find them.
1 Peter 1:3 is a bad translation, Greek and KJV say begotten us again.
I will check out John 1: 12-13.
I'm just giving my opions if you disagree, no problem and regardless I do appreciate the work you did to find them.
In John 3, Jesus said to Nicodemus that he must be born again (or from above, depends on what we like more).
Nicodemus then asks how it can happen and Jesus says "Spirit blows wherever he wishes", meaning its on the side of God, not ours.
So when it is not on our side, how can we first belive and then be born again? It would be just reaction from the side of God, not his "blowing wherever He wishes".
From this I deduce it is not something we can control, therefore not even our faith can control it.
Nicodemus then asks how it can happen and Jesus says "Spirit blows wherever he wishes", meaning its on the side of God, not ours.
So when it is not on our side, how can we first belive and then be born again? It would be just reaction from the side of God, not his "blowing wherever He wishes".
From this I deduce it is not something we can control, therefore not even our faith can control it.
Good question: We are birthed into a New operation of Living, by way of our dormant spirit being enlivened (John 3:6; 4:24; 2 Timothy 4:22; Matthew 28:20), and by way of that newly acquired reestablishing of what God originally had set-up to be natural, which, in our sinful nature, is unnatural, we are availed the New Creations births opportunity in liberty to serve and live godly. all of which starts thru the Cross and resurrection of Christ...
This after accepting our problem of sin, and judgement of God, and Sin's death sentence, and the fact we cannot be right enough in and of our own efforts to earn Eternal life, and as we Believe and receive what Chrit has done on the Cross and being rose to be seated at the right hand of God now interceding for us, as we are also seated with Him as we remain in Christ, believing this and confessing our sins we have Eternal life, with no judgement and have crossed over from death to life. (Romans 3:23; Hebrews 9:27; Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 1:12; Romans 10:9-10; John 5:24).
But as the set-up is in place in our new found innocence and liberty we must also make that New Creation the life of God thru Jesus Christ only and always as we remain hidden in Christ empowering us. Of course there needs to be maturing and growing in this life.
We forget in the original condition of Adam before the fall, even though he was so perfect, so pure, so clean, and so good, with nothing changed, nothing damaged, nothing corrupted, or nothing ruined, he still needed the life of God.
For us now, we need the Cross and we must remain in the Cross to have the life in Christ and with God bear fruit. Jesus, on a cross, as well as we on that cross with Him then, gives us back that innocence and liberty thru Jesus Christ. But we still need God's life to come into us. When God's life get's in, we are regenerated, we are then in Christ. And we live by faith in our obligation of love to righteousness (a properly aligned / right relationship to Our loving Father: God thru Our Lord and Savior who loved us even to death on a Cross: Christ Jesus).
This re-birth then affects our soul-life (which is not the same as the flesh when we are in Christ); our physical life; and now with our dormant spirit now awakened to be able to live in Christ - our divine life.
Hence, our spirit has been born of God coming into our spirit as life. (John 3:6b), Now the Divine life is in our spirit (Spirit leading spirit, as we willfully operate by it). Our spirit was born because God's life (via the Cross of Christ) got into it, and this birth has nothing to do with our fall.
Even if Adam had never fallen, he still would have needed to be born in this way. He still needed to have God come into him as life, otherwise he could not express God. We have to be born-again by having the life of God get into us. This life gets into our spirit, and our spirit is born. Now in our spirit there is life; and this life is just God Himself (the person via Christ Jesus the person). We are then gripped by God who will never let us go, as we are and must remain in Christ living in accordance to the Holy Spirit, and allowing Jesus to finish His work in us, which Paul describes as "I am not yet, nor have I become perfect; BUT I am charging on to gain anything and everything Jesus has in store for me - and nothing will stand in my way because He has grabbed me and won't let go!....There is one thing I am doing: I am leaving my old life behind, putting everything on the line for this mission. I am sprinting toward the only goal that counts: to cross the line, to win the prize, and to hear God's call to resurrection life found exclusively in Jesus Christ." (Philippians 3:12-15). I am then in Christ as I live by way of righteousness, which is in God thru Christ and the Holy Spirit..Literally, and miraculously becoming Christ-like in my new person serving his intentions and purposes in love and power.
This after accepting our problem of sin, and judgement of God, and Sin's death sentence, and the fact we cannot be right enough in and of our own efforts to earn Eternal life, and as we Believe and receive what Chrit has done on the Cross and being rose to be seated at the right hand of God now interceding for us, as we are also seated with Him as we remain in Christ, believing this and confessing our sins we have Eternal life, with no judgement and have crossed over from death to life. (Romans 3:23; Hebrews 9:27; Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 1:12; Romans 10:9-10; John 5:24).
But as the set-up is in place in our new found innocence and liberty we must also make that New Creation the life of God thru Jesus Christ only and always as we remain hidden in Christ empowering us. Of course there needs to be maturing and growing in this life.
We forget in the original condition of Adam before the fall, even though he was so perfect, so pure, so clean, and so good, with nothing changed, nothing damaged, nothing corrupted, or nothing ruined, he still needed the life of God.
For us now, we need the Cross and we must remain in the Cross to have the life in Christ and with God bear fruit. Jesus, on a cross, as well as we on that cross with Him then, gives us back that innocence and liberty thru Jesus Christ. But we still need God's life to come into us. When God's life get's in, we are regenerated, we are then in Christ. And we live by faith in our obligation of love to righteousness (a properly aligned / right relationship to Our loving Father: God thru Our Lord and Savior who loved us even to death on a Cross: Christ Jesus).
This re-birth then affects our soul-life (which is not the same as the flesh when we are in Christ); our physical life; and now with our dormant spirit now awakened to be able to live in Christ - our divine life.
Hence, our spirit has been born of God coming into our spirit as life. (John 3:6b), Now the Divine life is in our spirit (Spirit leading spirit, as we willfully operate by it). Our spirit was born because God's life (via the Cross of Christ) got into it, and this birth has nothing to do with our fall.
Even if Adam had never fallen, he still would have needed to be born in this way. He still needed to have God come into him as life, otherwise he could not express God. We have to be born-again by having the life of God get into us. This life gets into our spirit, and our spirit is born. Now in our spirit there is life; and this life is just God Himself (the person via Christ Jesus the person). We are then gripped by God who will never let us go, as we are and must remain in Christ living in accordance to the Holy Spirit, and allowing Jesus to finish His work in us, which Paul describes as "I am not yet, nor have I become perfect; BUT I am charging on to gain anything and everything Jesus has in store for me - and nothing will stand in my way because He has grabbed me and won't let go!....There is one thing I am doing: I am leaving my old life behind, putting everything on the line for this mission. I am sprinting toward the only goal that counts: to cross the line, to win the prize, and to hear God's call to resurrection life found exclusively in Jesus Christ." (Philippians 3:12-15). I am then in Christ as I live by way of righteousness, which is in God thru Christ and the Holy Spirit..Literally, and miraculously becoming Christ-like in my new person serving his intentions and purposes in love and power.
May I ask why you have refused sound counsel? There is nowhere in the bible that we are to fly solo, but worship corporately in a local church. That's why, even though I am a huge fan of his, I don't cut A.W. Pink any slack. Yes, he was a very deep theologically based man of God, but he too, had no grounds to not attend a local assembly.
I am one of the biggest believers in the election of grace that you can find. However, here where I live, ppl won't have it. They hold to this mythical free will. But that does not stop me from going to church. I love God's ppl. Why? Because they're my ppl.
I am one of the biggest believers in the election of grace that you can find. However, here where I live, ppl won't have it. They hold to this mythical free will. But that does not stop me from going to church. I love God's ppl. Why? Because they're my ppl.
Three ifs..
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.Rom 8:10