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The book of Enoch was NOT included as part of the Apocrypha...
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Apocrypha-Books-List/
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The Book Of Enoch
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Repeating the references that you had highlighted per your quote.
2 Peter 2:[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The underlined word "reserved" is how I was conveying that their judgment is coming; but they are still roaming loose. It is like, they are on parole, but not pending freedom, but pending judgment that is coming.
Every angel that has left their first estate which is Heaven has sinned, and yet the scripture testifies of them as well as Satan being on the loose.
That is you trying to fit this problem of demons still being on the loose so that the Book of Enoch is true in parts. The sons of God were never meant to be a reference to angels but to Israel's roots.
Paul spoke of John the apostle in this way when having those visions for the Book of Revelation:
2 Corinthians 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)[SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
So I can see how it may apply to you, but not to fallen angels that never had a terrestrial body for them to die, let alone, develop the sudden genital parts for reproduction just because they had fallen when God never created angels in the first place to reproduce.
Let's face it. If fallen angels had genital parts then there would be female ones too. They would not need to take women as wives for them when such a union would produce a superior army to mankind and wipe them out. So to argue that God never bothered to create female angels is to assume that He gave male genital parts to all angels which is for what, pray tell? No reason at all. Angels were not originally created to have any sexual organs at all because they were not created to reproduce. And so to suddenly be able to when they fell is ludicrous.
That which is spirit is spirit, and that which is flesh is flesh. You can apply your theory to your experience, because you are in a terrestrial body with a spirit that might have gone somewhere else, but you cannot apply that to fallen angels. There is no separation of the celestial when their bodies can never die.
Luke 20:[SUP]35 [/SUP]But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:[SUP]36[/SUP]Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Angels do not marry, and yet these beings called the sons of God "still" in His words, took wives unto themselves.
The angels cannot die. Neither can fallen angels still being in a celestial state. They never had a terrestrial state because angels are not in their "original" terrestrial state where they could die.
We go from terrestrial to the celestial by way of Jesus Christ; the angels cannot go from celestial to the terrestrial just because they have sinned. It would be great if they did, then we can kill them all off, including Satan.. but alas, we cannot. But still, we have our victory in Christ Jesus. Yay! And amen.
In his last testament to his children Reuben has this to say concerning the sons of God who had abandoned their own original habitat: " because every woman who useth these wiles hath been reserved for eternal punishment. For thus they allured the Watchers [Heavenly Observers] who were before the flood; for as these continually beheld them, they lusted after them, and they conceived the act in their mind; for they changed themselves into the shape of men, and 7 appeared to them when they were with their husbands. And the women lusting in their minds after their forms, gave birth to giants, for the Watchers appeared to them as reaching even unto heaven. "
It would appear from the words of Reuben, who defiled his fathers bed by raping Bilhah, that they changed themselves into the shape of men by possessing the bodies of the men while they were with their wives.
It would appear from the words of Reuben, who defiled his fathers bed by raping Bilhah, that they changed themselves into the shape of men by possessing the bodies of the men while they were with their wives.
The problem here is your refusal to believe that the Book of Enoch is a fraud and in it are lies mixed with one truthful verse plagiarized from Jude.
The other problem is your denying the deity of Christ.
You have studied much, but in error.
1 John 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.[SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[SUP]28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
To deny Jesus is the Christ is to deny His deity, because to deny His deity is the same as denying the Father.
1 Corinthians 10:4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Rock is always a reference to deity in the Old Testament.
There is no way for you to deny the deity of Christ when He is at the right hand of God the Father as being of the One God.
Isaiah 43:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.
Isaiah 45:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah 42:[SUP]6 [/SUP]I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;[SUP] 7 [/SUP]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
The only way to rectify these verses is that Jesus is God of the Triune God as God is speaking in this reference below and yet the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him.
Isaiah 48:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
The other problem is your denying the deity of Christ.
You have studied much, but in error.
1 John 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.[SUP]27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[SUP]28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
To deny Jesus is the Christ is to deny His deity, because to deny His deity is the same as denying the Father.
1 Corinthians 10:4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Rock is always a reference to deity in the Old Testament.
There is no way for you to deny the deity of Christ when He is at the right hand of God the Father as being of the One God.
Isaiah 43:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.
Isaiah 45:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah 42:[SUP]6 [/SUP]I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;[SUP] 7 [/SUP]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
The only way to rectify these verses is that Jesus is God of the Triune God as God is speaking in this reference below and yet the Lord God and His Spirit sent Him.
Isaiah 48:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
I say the Book of Enoch is a fraud and thus a plagiarism of that one verse from the Book of Jude.
It was not written thousands of years before Jude was born when Enoch did not write that book at all since he was before the flood, and there is no reason for such a book to be on the ark at all to survive the flood.
There was no need for scripture at all until Israel became a nation to keep the scriptures, and thus the first 5 books of the Bible was penned by Moses as inspired by the Holy Spirit.
The Book of Enoch was not one of them when the author claims he is Enoch.
How much inconsistencies do you need to see that the Book of Enoch is a fraud?
It was not written thousands of years before Jude was born when Enoch did not write that book at all since he was before the flood, and there is no reason for such a book to be on the ark at all to survive the flood.
There was no need for scripture at all until Israel became a nation to keep the scriptures, and thus the first 5 books of the Bible was penned by Moses as inspired by the Holy Spirit.
The Book of Enoch was not one of them when the author claims he is Enoch.
How much inconsistencies do you need to see that the Book of Enoch is a fraud?
Well, you certainly have the right to think that. I would love to know, though, how you came to that conclusion. Did Noah tell you? Or any of Enoch's relatives? Who told you? I realize that very few people today keep journals or diaries. For that matter very few people today can even spell much less write coherently. Many people today find reading and writing too old fashioned for them, so I understand you believing its a fake. I also wonder who told you the Book of Enoch was a part of the bible. It's not and it never was.
So I'm supposed to accept backward and ignorant advice just because I like you? Uh uh..Ain't going to happen. As I said earlier...The book of Enoch was written at least a thousand years before Jude...Therefore it cannot be plagiarized from Jude. The Book of Enoch is a history book, and it has many good uses, even though it is not bible quality. What it contains is true, but it was not written along the same formula that was used in the writing of the bible. That's the only reason why it is not cannon. The formula is wrong. If you can understand that, then you can step up to the next square. If not...
Its sad to see someone argue out of ignorance.
Its sad to see someone argue out of ignorance.
The book of Enoch from which Jesus, his half brother Thomas Didymus Jude and the apostles, all quoted, was cherished by the early Christians right up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Jerome, Hilary, and Augustine, they eventually passed out of circulation and were thought to have been lost for millennia.
But the Book of Enoch was held in great reverence by many of the fathers of the early Roman church that was established some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ was formed in Jerusalem, among those leaders were Irenaeus, Origen, and Tertullian, even Jerome, who generally disapproved of the work, erroneously believed that Enoch was one of the two witnesses in Revelation who ascend to heaven in a cloud. However, by the end of the 4th century, the book was banned because the authorities believed that the Sons of God having sex with the daughters of man, was an inappropriate subject.
Even Moses, the adopted grand son of the Egyptian Pharaoh received the regulations of his new church from the books of Enoch.
I hope that answers your question Magenta.
But the Book of Enoch was held in great reverence by many of the fathers of the early Roman church that was established some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ was formed in Jerusalem, among those leaders were Irenaeus, Origen, and Tertullian, even Jerome, who generally disapproved of the work, erroneously believed that Enoch was one of the two witnesses in Revelation who ascend to heaven in a cloud. However, by the end of the 4th century, the book was banned because the authorities believed that the Sons of God having sex with the daughters of man, was an inappropriate subject.
Even Moses, the adopted grand son of the Egyptian Pharaoh received the regulations of his new church from the books of Enoch.
I hope that answers your question Magenta.
Then you would have also read that Azazel was one of the sons of God, who was punished separate from the other sons of God, and he was taken out into the wilderness, to a place called Dudael where he was cast into a deep pit and covered with rough and Jagged stones, and all sin was to be ascribed to him.
You would have also read in your bible, in Leviticus 16: 21; where Moses gave to his brother Aaron, the religious regulation, where he would place his hands on the head of a scape goat, thereby symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel, the son of God to whom all sin is ascribed.
You would have also read in your bible, in Leviticus 16: 21; where Moses gave to his brother Aaron, the religious regulation, where he would place his hands on the head of a scape goat, thereby symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel, the son of God to whom all sin is ascribed.