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Would you not say though that a wolf has no desire to build up but to devour?
In doing so are they not looking to control for their own benefit?
But in order to do so they appear to be sheep?
Truth is they will be known by their fruit, what's on the inside will become apparent.
I do have to say that at times I have fed off the negative emotions expressed on this site and have allowed the wolf part of me overcome. When I have done that I have aplosgised.
That doesn't make me a wolf as such. When I have done that it's because I have felt that what is being said has been shocking to me and actually detracts from the love and grace that our Father has for us.
Part of me thinks that today's society and culture is different from the time of Jesus but it seems that some have a difficulty realising that.
I think it's easy to think that in the time of Jesus those he called were steadfast and devoid of emotion and fear and walked perfectly.
If thats the case then it is understandable why some today see a weakness as a result of emotions, fears, hurts, pains that believers and non believers struggle with.
I sometimes wonder was it easier for the disciples and apostles who actually saw Jesus, saw him crucified and risen again and going back to heaven. I think it was, why on earth would they have died for him?
Empathy is hard, but it's only hard when we haven't experienced what someone is going through and have forgotten the empathy that God has shown us in our lives and how he has helped us and healed us.
Our fruit is to give and not expect back. To walk in love and compassion.
To build each other up in love, bear with each other.
In doing so are they not looking to control for their own benefit?
But in order to do so they appear to be sheep?
Truth is they will be known by their fruit, what's on the inside will become apparent.
I do have to say that at times I have fed off the negative emotions expressed on this site and have allowed the wolf part of me overcome. When I have done that I have aplosgised.
That doesn't make me a wolf as such. When I have done that it's because I have felt that what is being said has been shocking to me and actually detracts from the love and grace that our Father has for us.
Part of me thinks that today's society and culture is different from the time of Jesus but it seems that some have a difficulty realising that.
I think it's easy to think that in the time of Jesus those he called were steadfast and devoid of emotion and fear and walked perfectly.
If thats the case then it is understandable why some today see a weakness as a result of emotions, fears, hurts, pains that believers and non believers struggle with.
I sometimes wonder was it easier for the disciples and apostles who actually saw Jesus, saw him crucified and risen again and going back to heaven. I think it was, why on earth would they have died for him?
Empathy is hard, but it's only hard when we haven't experienced what someone is going through and have forgotten the empathy that God has shown us in our lives and how he has helped us and healed us.
Our fruit is to give and not expect back. To walk in love and compassion.
To build each other up in love, bear with each other.
Truthfully, Meggido. I've always had trouble with this verse. So I looked at it through the other bibles I have.
This is Etheridge:
~Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life is the light of the sons of man;
Joh 1:5 and the Light himself in the darkness shineth, and the darkness perceived him not.
Do you agree with this? It makes sense to me. And it explains what you are saying. At least IMO.
This is Etheridge:
~Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life is the light of the sons of man;
Joh 1:5 and the Light himself in the darkness shineth, and the darkness perceived him not.
Do you agree with this? It makes sense to me. And it explains what you are saying. At least IMO.
This is true Desertsrose.
God will judge us by what we know.
Not by what someone on these threads failed to teach us.
God gives to each of us a measure of faith
Romans 12:3
Not an AMOUNT of faith, but a TYPE of faith, so that we may each carry out the gift that God has given us.
Prophecy, service, teaching, giving, etc.
And in this, we are to do all with humility.
Ephesians 2:9
We are not to boast of our works.
We are not to boast that WE somehow are actually saving the SOUL of those here.
We can state our beliefs, but should not be so proudful as to think that what we believe is Always correct and what Others believe is Always wrong. I MAY BE WRONG in a belief, but if sincere, God will judge me on the sincerity.
OTOH, one could be boastful and anything else that person says will be overshadowed by the boastfulness.
I preach Jesus Christ
And Him crucifeld.
1 Corinthians 2:2
And
1 Corinthians 2:4 New International Version (NIV)
4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,
HOW a person says words may be more important than what he actually is saying.
So, yes. We are judged by what we know.
And what we don't know should be learned
and what is taught should be taught with the Spirit in mind at all times...
God will judge us by what we know.
Not by what someone on these threads failed to teach us.
God gives to each of us a measure of faith
Romans 12:3
Not an AMOUNT of faith, but a TYPE of faith, so that we may each carry out the gift that God has given us.
Prophecy, service, teaching, giving, etc.
And in this, we are to do all with humility.
Ephesians 2:9
We are not to boast of our works.
We are not to boast that WE somehow are actually saving the SOUL of those here.
We can state our beliefs, but should not be so proudful as to think that what we believe is Always correct and what Others believe is Always wrong. I MAY BE WRONG in a belief, but if sincere, God will judge me on the sincerity.
OTOH, one could be boastful and anything else that person says will be overshadowed by the boastfulness.
I preach Jesus Christ
And Him crucifeld.
1 Corinthians 2:2
And
1 Corinthians 2:4 New International Version (NIV)
4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,
HOW a person says words may be more important than what he actually is saying.
So, yes. We are judged by what we know.
And what we don't know should be learned
and what is taught should be taught with the Spirit in mind at all times...
Who said that?
We will be judged by our relationship to God.
Did we BELIEVE in his Son?
What did we do about it?
WE WILL NOT BE JUDGED BY OUR WORKS.
But we must work. JESUS SAID SO.
Read Galatians 2:16 and tell me how you understand it.
What are the Works of the Law?
What is the Obedience of Faith?
What do YOU think I'm saying??
We will be judged by our relationship to God.
Did we BELIEVE in his Son?
What did we do about it?
WE WILL NOT BE JUDGED BY OUR WORKS.
But we must work. JESUS SAID SO.
Read Galatians 2:16 and tell me how you understand it.
What are the Works of the Law?
What is the Obedience of Faith?
What do YOU think I'm saying??
Truthfully, Meggido. I've always had trouble with this verse. So I looked at it through the other bibles I have.
This is Etheridge:
~Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life is the light of the sons of man;
Joh 1:5 and the Light himself in the darkness shineth, and the darkness perceived him not.
Do you agree with this? It makes sense to me. And it explains what you are saying. At least IMO.
This is Etheridge:
~Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life is the light of the sons of man;
Joh 1:5 and the Light himself in the darkness shineth, and the darkness perceived him not.
Do you agree with this? It makes sense to me. And it explains what you are saying. At least IMO.
4 In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines on in the [SUP][c][/SUP]darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it].
Look at these verses from John 3 (again from the Amplified Bible):
John 3
16 "For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] [SUP][a][/SUP]only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because [SUP][b][/SUP]he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].
19 This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]: the Light has come into the world, and people loved the [SUP][c][/SUP]darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light [but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned.
21 But whoever practices truth [and does what is right—morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light, so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are—accomplished in God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him]."
Hope/pray the above verses help in understanding John 1:4,5.
Personally, I think this topic of Light / darkness is a fascinating subject.
Romans 14:
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
See also:
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Even born again believers will stand to give an account ...
We will not be judged worthy of salvation because of any works we have done. But we will give an account ...
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
See also:
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Even born again believers will stand to give an account ...
We will not be judged worthy of salvation because of any works we have done. But we will give an account ...
If I may...
John 1:4
IN HIM WAS LIFE AND THE LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN.
NASB
What came into existance when Jesus was born was life, Zoe life, that which gives the breath of life, like when God breathed into Adam and Adam became alive. Born again believers have Zoe life.
Jesus is God. God gives this life. Jesus is the one who gives this life.
This life that Jesus gives is the LIGHT by which men should live. Jesus makes this light, He is the original source of this light.
Those that know Jesus are living His Zoe life in the light that He provides. This light that one could live by.
If one does NOT know Jesus, he is living in darkness and does not see the spirit world around him.
John 1:5
AND THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS, AND THE DARKNESS DID NOT COMPREHEND IT.
NASB
The LIGHT came into the world to drive out the darkness. The light is gotten out of the life, this Zoe life of Christ. His light DOES drive out the darkness and the darkness cannot stand to be in the presence of Jesus' light.
The darkness could not drive out the light , even though it could not understand it. IOW, the darkness, satan, could not put out the light.
Today all the world knows about Jesus and His Light and the Life He could give to whoever wants it.
John 1:4
IN HIM WAS LIFE AND THE LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN.
NASB
What came into existance when Jesus was born was life, Zoe life, that which gives the breath of life, like when God breathed into Adam and Adam became alive. Born again believers have Zoe life.
Jesus is God. God gives this life. Jesus is the one who gives this life.
This life that Jesus gives is the LIGHT by which men should live. Jesus makes this light, He is the original source of this light.
Those that know Jesus are living His Zoe life in the light that He provides. This light that one could live by.
If one does NOT know Jesus, he is living in darkness and does not see the spirit world around him.
John 1:5
AND THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS, AND THE DARKNESS DID NOT COMPREHEND IT.
NASB
The LIGHT came into the world to drive out the darkness. The light is gotten out of the life, this Zoe life of Christ. His light DOES drive out the darkness and the darkness cannot stand to be in the presence of Jesus' light.
The darkness could not drive out the light , even though it could not understand it. IOW, the darkness, satan, could not put out the light.
Today all the world knows about Jesus and His Light and the Life He could give to whoever wants it.