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Some people like some things of the flesh,and do not want to give them up,but the Bible sounds good,eternal life,and they believe,so that is the denomination that they gravitate towards,like a moth to a flame,the OSAS Church.

If there was no such a belief as OSAS,and the interpretation was always be Christlike,or there is no salvation,would these people believe the Bible.

You will know them by their fruits,and there will be many hypocrites at the end time.

What denomination,and group of people that claim to be a Christian,has the most hypocrisy,the most love of money,and material things,and the most worldliness.

Could it be the people that believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God.

Could it.

Or is it the people that say abstain from sin,represent goodness,and be Christlike.

Yah,it is probably them,and their hypocrisy,going around loving people,feeding and clothing the poor and needy,being all Christlike and such.

Those must be the hypocrites at the end time.
 
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The funny thing is that you really showed your hypocrisy Stephen, by attempting to take me to task for questioning who is and who is not saved, while you then turn around and make similar statements. You are as big a hypocrite as Fran is, and that is really saying something!
Wow!

I'm at the TOP for something.

Are YOU at the top for ANYTHING?

Mabye this is why you're so upset with me...
 
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If opportunity is "something", you sure can.
Its not over untill the sun goes boom or we destroy our selfs.. and even then it might not be over,,, as we will all float out to space in the form of almino acids be reborn and the process starts all over again untill we crack the fountain of youth and learn how to travel through galaxies and save plannets and possibly create them encluding stars...
 
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It is sad that people like Fran and Stephen think they can lie about people, and somehow this is okay in their minds. Then they want others to apologize for the mistakes they have made when they refuse to take responsibility for their own. The level of hypocrisy is code red. I wonder how they can not see it, or if they see it but just refuse to acknowledge it, as if they are playing some harmless game.
I see you're still going at it like I said something dreadful, which everyone knows I didn't.

I also see you're still bashing me over one comment.

That's okay..... the readers are looking at all of it, & so is God.
 
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willybob

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To those standing aloof, having the gift of discerning minds, and seeing the open nakedness and vanity being propagated herein To ye be be blessed in His knowledge and wisdom always

The use of the word they in many of my writings describes the flesh kings of the earth, of which choose to live by instinct rather than intelligence…

These ministers of dark light preform linguistic tactics in an attempt to control the language, therefore framing the law of Gods’ word in mischief. They hijack the language through double-speak, however can be astutely identified via their own contradictions, (confusion of faces). Their praised PUNDITS and mighty men of renown, (of which are too many to list) are masters of neural-linguistic speech patterns (emotional hypnosis), speaking great swelling words of emptiness, promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption while enticing unstable souls. This is for the purpose of manipulating people through propaganda by shutting down their analytical mind (loss of common reasoning skills), and activating the emotional mind from the bottomless pit of mans imagination. Thus the lust of the flesh prevails, and man creates his own image of Jesus (the image of the beast).

The apostle John calls it the image of the beast because man wants a God that is subservient to his beastly appetites. Remember, animals live by instinct, but man was made in God’s image to rule over his instincts (desires and natural inclinations, Gen 2-9,17) via intelligence. Also know this: sin is 100% unintelligent and goes against the light of conscience that was put in every man/woman…The WORD was the light that lighteth everyman that cometh into the world, John 1-9

Words are a powerful tool, much more so than the physical weapons of war…Knowing this first: the bible is its own dictionary and will define itself apart from the commentaries and wisdom of men, who can only perceive scripture by way of the flesh……Therefore, if one carefully through biblical definitions unravels their play on words they lose their emotional grip and appeal, hence forth undressing their cult like mentality in that their supposed systematic theological beliefs revolve around their own selective word definitions. For example they have their own contrived meaning for the word “perfect”, which is entirely different than the biblical definition.
Biblical perfection is moral uprightness, and maturity having a heart that is pure towards God. It doesn’t mean to be as perfect as God, as they would mischievously make you think. Therefore these flesh-kings hijack the word “perfect” and attribute unbiblical and foreign concepts to it. Many of these taken for granted concepts were birthed in the mind of Plato, and originally brought into the supposed church by Ambrose/Augustine/Jerome and magnified by the likes of Luther/Calvin. Of whom were both die hard pupils of Augustine and Plato. Plato derived much of his beliefs from ancient Hinduism, the gnostic dual nature of dark and light or Yen-Yang for example, immutability and impassibility myths also…Language falsely used carries with it emotional baggage and curses of great measure.

Anyway, they take your emotional attachments to the word “perfect” and then try and use it against you. Again, they hijack words for emotional appeal because they have NO LOGICAL and sound rational arguments when p[resented with the truth in scripture, thus they prey upon your emotions through a closed flesh-based system of supposed logic (Systematic Theology). Therefore measuring themselves among themselves, by themselves for themselves as Paul so rightly said. They have an obsession with idolized persons (mighty men of renown), with TITLES, degrees, awards, flesh-accomplishments, nickles-numbers-noses, manufacturing supposed strength in numbers coupled with most every form of humanism disguising itself to be the gospel, therefore forming a seductive entrenchment upon souls (beguiling unstable souls, as the apostle Peter said). This demagoguery ware as they glorify the religious GIANTS in the earth, exalting these mighty men of renown and their rhetorical works. There are not biblical theologians, nor ministers of the gospel, but like there cohorts Augustine, Luther, Calvin and the plethora of others, are rhetoricians and masters of witchcraft who theology should have been thrown on the trash heap of history centuries ago. In doing so, they craft language together to achieve an emotional effect upon the lustful who heap upon themselves teachers having itching ears, producing a cognitive dissident effect upon the gullible at heart, therefore the truth becomes a stumbling block of offense in the broad path to destruction.

Being maters of double-speak, they create euphemisms, such as “self-righteousness, and no one can be perfect” meaning if you seek to obey God your now self-righteous and trying to save yourself. And of course the infamous “Not of works” pablem, meaning if you do anything required of God in regards to obedience to the truth in working out your own salvation, then it’s a works based salvation and the worst sin of all.

However, there is hope, in that once you break and decipher their code, you can easily expose their nakedness in light of the scriptures rightly divided. In doing so, all they have left is fig-leaves to cover their sin before God. Sadly they made Jesus into a covering of fig leaves to justify on going disobedience, therefore will argue in favor of sin at every opportunity.
Solomon said in the proverbs; that he who seeks to cover his sin shall not prosper, but whosoever confesseth and forsakes his sin shall find mercy. It’s always repentance and coming clean with God, THEN God answers with the tongue of mercy and forgiveness. This consistent pattern of reconciliation is seen from Genesis to Revelation. Praise God from whom all blessings flow..

In closing; you can get the gest of things in that they have redefined faith, grace, love, sin, perfection, holiness, righteousness, salvation, etc. for the purpose of fulfilling fleshly lusts, and to gather tares to be heaped up in their Institutional Tare Barns that dispense the mark of the beast 24/7 upon the beguiled multitudes……

Peace be with you
 
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Wow!

I'm at the TOP for something.

Are YOU at the top for ANYTHING?

Mabye this is why you're so upset with me...
Yes Fran,there is a whole lot of freedom in being a nobody in this world, for all we have to boast in Jesus and His example of obedience unto us, and that ain't a total loss is it?.. be blessed always
 
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I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Please note what is said above...

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.


BELIEVE is Present Tense.

IOW, just in case there's any doubt...
It means you have to be in a present believing state WHEN YOU DIE.
 
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I see..... try to say something good, only to receive sarcasm.

Again, what should I expect?
its funny how Gods Word is considred dogma when it is so clear isnt it? How is Jesus said repent and obey My Word......He is then teaching dogma or additions to salvation when He is the One offering salvation, but if it doesnt agree with unconditional salvation taught by the newest gog pastor then the person saying hey look Jesus said this.....they are a pharisee.

the thing that defined pharisees was thier refusal to believe Jesus word, they had no room for what He was saying because they had it all figured out already. Not everyine feels that way bro, some appreciate the truth. but ahead of time you know that people will reject , insult and accuse you because you do believe the Lords Word.

john 8:31-38 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

john 8:12-13 "
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

john 8:51-52 "
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

it seems as if the pharisees refused to believe Jesus words on the matter when he mentioned Keep my word its eternal Life. and im pretty sure Jesus said many times repent and obey my commands. dont worry when people treat you like they treated Jesus bro , its not you they cant accept its the Word of God
 

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Disarming the enemy is living for the praise of God and not selfish ambitions such as for recognition. Have the impression that God purposely made the simplicity of Christ (walking in His Spirit), controversial so that we would not think we know and stop learning. We can learn from each other, when we acknowledge we don't know as we should. Those who have God working in them are Labourers with Him, involved in the work. Even Jesus said, "I can do nothing of myself but what I see the Father doing. If He then was powerless to take things in His hands before the resurrection when all power in heaven and earth was given to him, how much more should we be in submission to the Father of Spirits and Live.

After the Marriage break 16 years ago I fell into addiction and sin and saw how dead I was and felt Christians were missing it, that we did not have opportunity to rejoice; then the Lord told me: Because I Live you shall Live also. The Holy Spirit sets opportunities for us to Learn to walk in Love, patient and longsuffering with us. Those of you here who have accused one another to defend your point of view need to recognise it's your point of view your defending, God doesn't need our help, doesn't need to defend Himself. "Love does not insist on it's own way.

During the second world war the enemy caused Christians in Germany to fight against Christians. The time that the daily sacrifice was taken away and the abomination set up 2,300 days, approximately the length of the war. In 1944 Christmas eve Americans and Germans sang to the Lord together on the front lines, the beginning of the restoration of the daily sacrifice. The German army woke up from their deceit of being a superior God chosen nation and lost their motivation to fight except for the younger generation still in oblivion, military armament was given to the younger generation. The account of the enemy fighting against the Holy people, this includes Israel put to death as a nation, Daniel 8:23, There is one more world war described as a time of trouble such as never was, against Cristian and in my lifetime. 34 years ago, the Lord told me: Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again." When I spoke this to someone else, he added: For it is coming upon all people as a testimony against them." I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, just sharing: we need to stop fighting among ourselves.
 
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No sir, it don't. A slave is one that is taken by force to do service,and a servant is one who offers up himself to do service. .
Just a couple of points to ponder.....

a. Have we not been bought with a price?
b. Did not Jesus say to consider yourselves to be "doulos" after you have done all you can do? "bondservants'
c. Even though we are children are we not also subjects of a kingdom?
d. By the very nature of the words "serve in sincerity and in truth" does that not qualify one as a servant?
 
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Please note what is said above...

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.


BELIEVE is Present Tense.

IOW, just in case there's any doubt...
It means you have to be in a present believing state WHEN YOU DIE.
titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.


 
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titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.


The reason is enlarged.....not to obtain or keep salvation....verse 5 tells us exactly how one is saved.....maybe quote it as well....!
 
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John 15
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. 7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.8My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. 9“Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. 10If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. 11“These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.

This scripture tells plainly that we live because we're attached to Jesus, the true vine.

Being "thrown away" plainly means to be separated from Christ. No Christ, no life.

Being thrown in the fire means thrown into Hell. Again, it's plain.

Bearing fruit is mandatory. Those bearing fruit are empowered to bear more. This shows the christian is expected to grow & mature spiritually, bearing more fruit as they grow.

This scripture is much more important than these others quoted above. Here's why:

1. Jesus taught it. That makes it absolute truth.
2. Jesus teaches Abiding in its completeness. No pieces, or one-verse wonders.
3. It teaches the truth about fruit bearing. It states fruitfulness is mandatory & what happens when you do & what happens if you don't.
4. It leaves no room for twisting its symbolism nor its message. That's why false teachers won't use it.
5. It states plainly that obedience is the fruit & proves we're abiding in Him.
6. It proves we glorify God by bearing much fruit, & in doing this, prove to the world we're Christ's disciples.
7. It locks in the meaning to properly interpret other teachings about abiding in Christ, so we know what the other authors are really saying, keeping others from twisting them to their advantage.

It's a wonderful scripture, showing us that God makes us able to bear fruit, & multiplies our ability to do so when we live by faith & walk in loving obedience to Him.

I didn't miss it..... you did.


OH YEAH...


 

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John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only WHAT HE SEES his Father doing, because WHATEVER THE FATHER DOES, THE SON ALSO DOES.

+++DOES JESUS SEE HIS FATHER DOING SELFISHNESS OR GREED INSTEAD OF GENEROSITY? .OR BAD WORKS INSTEAD OF GOOD?(impossible)

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do EVEN GREATER things than these, because I am going to the Father.

+++CAN THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEIR HEARERS?

1 Timothy 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS.

+++DID PAUL JUST SAY THIS ON HIS OWN?

John 12:49-50 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father WHO SENT ME commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that HIS COMMANDS LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

1 Corinthians 14:37-38 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

+++PAUL WAS ALSO SENT AND SPOKE OF THIS; 1 Timothy 4:9-10 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for this we LABOR AND STRIVE), that we have put our HOPE in the living God, who is THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN(eph 5:23), and especially of those who believe.

+++SO, ARE WORKS OF FAITH,LOVE & OBEDIENCE NECESSARY FOR SALVATION?

John 14:31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I DO EXACTLY what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.

John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and OBEYS them, he is the one who loves me. HE WHO LOVES ME will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him

John 12:26 WHOEVER SERVES ME must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. MY FATHER WILL HONOR THE ONE WHO SERVES ME.

CAN A DISOBEDIENT, SELF-CENTERED/SELFISH, GREEDY PERSON BE SAVED?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then COME, FOLLOW ME.” When the young man heard this, HE WENT AWAY sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED?” Jesus looked at them and said, “WITH MAN this is IMPOSSIBLE, but WITH GOD all things are POSSIBLE.”

James 5:1-5 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.

1 Timothy 6:3-10 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have WANDERED FROM THE FAITH and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Mat 16:24,Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, HE MUST DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to SAVE HIS LIFE will lose it, but whoever LOSES his LIFE FOR ME will find it.

1 John 3:16-18 This is how we know what love is: JESUS CHRIST LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US. And WE OUGHT TO lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has MATERIAL POSSESSIONS and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, LET US US NOT LOVE WITH WORDS AND IN TONGUES BUT WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.

James 2:22 You see that his FAITH AND HIS ACTIONS WERE WORKING TOGETHER, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love.

Romans 12:9-21 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good... Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality... Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 25:45-46 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

LET US BE OBEDIENT AND SERVE GOD WITH FEAR AND IN FAITHFULNESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Malachi 2:17 You have wearied the Lord with your words. “How have we wearied him?” you ask. By saying, “ALL WHO DO EVIL ARE GOOD in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them” or “Where is the God of justice?”

Malachi 3:13-18 “You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who SERVES him. And you will again SEE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE WICKED, between those who SERVE GOD and those who DO NOT.

ARE WE WORTHY SERVANTS OF GOD?

Matthew 25:21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. COME AND SHARE YOUR MASTER’S HAPPINESS’.

Doxology Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?” For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
 
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Paul was taught by direct revelation.....you really should study more Fran.....it might help your dogma develop into sound doctrine.....
Paul was taught by direct revelation.

CUTE.

JESUS DIDN'T NEED TEACHING OF ANY KIND.

When you have some doubt about anything... you go to what Jesus said.

Who hung on the cross, Paul or Jesus ??

If you study JESUS, you'll get your doctrine right.
He's the one who is going to judge you, NOT PAUL.

Scary, isn't it???